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Rysz said:
As much as I would like you to have your victories, being the unlucky guy to out a wolf is always just that. Bad luck. You know that, and how many times have I been killed by the wolves while I should have won. I especially remember the game with hdk as seer and me as spokesperson with both AOK and TT as scanned wolves. We really thought I would have deserved to win that with the village, but I just realized I signed my death warrant the moment I outed AOK. So be it. Just like AOK said yesterday about Dollhouse, the victory will come at another, probably less deserved, moment.

And I just did what would be the most logical. Not taking the gamble of trusting one of you, leading to a 50% chance of victory, but prolonging the critical moment by killing both, including the wolf.

Wolves voting together? It is an old argument, but has it really been seen lately? What if it failed, the whole pack would be exposed. Much safer to bet on the "always trust JL outings route", which I first followed as well.

I am really curious to what other people say about this. How would they decide in this JL-claimant-on-parity situation? Would they follow you, would they tae the gamble, or would they play on safe as well?


Let's put it in a broader perspective. Why are we actually on parity already? Because yesterday another player did something that is both risky and stupid, and certainly not something a VILLAGER would have a reason to do. So logic dictates it was a wolf who did so. And he could give enough reasons why he would not be a wolf to do so, but that is not what matters. The fact that no villager would do it, says it all.

But wouldn't it be risky? Ofcourse not, not with a "JL outing" the next day. A JL outing that the same player actually placed emphasis on this evening.

It all fits together logically.
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There can be no risk of tie, mkay. The wolves will snipe. Why the feck can't you see that? I expect you to grovel before me when my innocence is proven, and to admit you totally screwed up not only my game (for which i will exact personal revenge) but probably threw the game for the village too.

Jens the wolf says there are 3 wolves, with his maths there can be no tie, since we will lose. It is not rocket science here.

You abjectly fail to give any logical reason for me to out anyone, since there was no need. Either you are a wolf, or a chew toy.
 
Rysz said:
Euh...

GM!!!!!! Could you PLEASE tell us clearly how many players currently are alive? Because the first page is a bit unclear on this part, and I would think it would be an important piece of information.
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9 people.

Slinky died the first day. 16
2 more the following. 14
2 more the next day. 12
3 yesterday thanks to hdk. 9

9 players are alive
now no one is confused :D
 
Jensthemens said:
9 people.

Slinky died the first day. 16
2 more the following. 14
2 more the next day. 12
3 yesterday thanks to hdk. 9

9 players are alive
now no one is confused :D
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And if the King of Overthinking gets his way and there is a tie, there will be 6. chance of parity being exceeded, very high.
 
jonti-h said:
There can be no risk of tie, mkay. The wolves will snipe. Why the feck can't you see that? I expect you to grovel before me when my innocence is proven, and to admit you totally screwed up not only my game (for which i will exact personal revenge) but probably threw the game for the village too.

Jens the wolf says there are 3 wolves, with his maths there can be no tie, since we will lose. It is not rocket science here.

You abjectly fail to give any logical reason for me to out anyone, since there was no need. Either you are a wolf, or a chew toy.
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But your innonce is not proven. Only people that are proven innocent are the ones thrown of the bus.
It's easy for any wolf or villager to claim he is scanned. without providing backup. And I have not seen any backup except your own claim.
And a logical raeson for you to out anyone is that you yourself is a wolf and want to be sure that you reach parity. Assuming there are 4 wolves this game.

Did you get that I'm assuming there are 4 wolves.
Since you seem to have missed that in my previous posts.
 
I've gone through the thread as well.

hdk
hax
jing
jonti
split
rysz
hell
jens
lord strange


night 0: Slinky died
night 1: mrg lynched, phillep hunted
night 2: punkbob lynched, humancalc hunted
night 3: teep and sbr lynched, nautilu hunted

"we'll be out of fuel in two days"

9 players alive today. If I take EURO's remark about the fuel as a hint regarding the number of wolves, it would mean today would be no parity with a no-tie.

So, in that case I can step down as King of Overthinking, and say we have to trust the JL-claimant, since we have a no-parity situation. (that reduces the complexity a lot! :D) (and even if I am incorrect about the fuel-assumption, there is no way in hell a tie with one wolf would save us anyway)

Unvote jonti-h
Vote jensthemens
 
Jensthemens said:
But your innonce is not proven. Only people that are proven innocent are the ones thrown of the bus.
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I am scanned and cleared, you are scanned as a wolf.

Let's put it this way, if EURO and Lemeard are buggering about then this better had be their last game here.

Jensthemens said:
It's easy for any wolf or villager to claim he is scanned. without providing backup. And I have not seen any backup except your own claim.
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Gee, perhaps the seer should come out and confirm it?

Jensthemens said:
And a logical raeson for you to out anyone is that you yourself is a wolf and want to be sure that you reach parity. Assuming there are 4 wolves this game.
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Balls. As i said, and you phailed to comprehend, there was no vote leader. If there are 4 wolves then there would be enough of a voting block there to force the win. If there are threeit would work also.

Jensthemens said:
Did you get that I'm assuming there are 4 wolves.
Since you seem to have missed that in my previous posts.
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From the guy who wants proof of pretty much else, you are not in the position to expect us to let you assume anything.
 
Rysz said:
I've gone through the thread as well.

hdk
hax
jing
jonti
split
rysz
hell
jens
lord strange


night 0: Slinky died
night 1: mrg lynched, phillep hunted
night 2: punkbob lynched, humancalc hunted
night 3: teep and sbr lynched, nautilu hunted

"we'll be out of fuel in two days"

9 players alive today. If I take EURO's remark about the fuel as a hint regarding the number of wolves, it would mean today would be no parity with a no-tie.

So, in that case I can step down as King of Overthinking, and say we have to trust the JL-claimant, since we have a no-parity situation. (that reduces the complexity a lot! :D) (and even if I am incorrect about the fuel-assumption, there is no way in hell a tie with one wolf would save us anyway)

Unvote jonti-h
Vote jensthemens
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Now that is clear and concise logic. :)
 
jonti-h said:
Now that is clear and concise logic. :)
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Not necessarily, but at least it is the best thing to do for a villager: always trust the JL-claimant when it would not lead to parity.

And the most logical thing is to assume we don't have parity yet tonight. :p
 
OK fine I'll give up, no point in convincing you guys anyways, but I will not admitt to the lie that I'm a wolf.

But if I'm really a wolf I'm gonna have a word with the GM's after tonight.
 
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Should I do a voteocunt? Or are you guys fine with lynching Jens?
 
Day Four

The passengers don't know what to do. First, they try to get the bus to stop, which would immediately kill them all. Then a random passenger yells "so i herd jens lieks mudkips , is dis tru?" Jensthemens quickly dismissed the statement as lies and slander. Due to the compressed nature of vacuums, he was thrown out of the window.

He was just a boy! :(

And not a wolf.

But that didn't seem to stop the killings, as Hax was suddenly pulled out of a window.

You lynch Jens the villager
Hax the villager is pulled out of a window.
 
Damn you jonti-h! :p :D

What comes now is predictable, and won't make it any easier :(
 
And the bus rolls on...
 
Jensthemens said:
This village is FAIL:D
I wonder what will happen today :p
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I know, but I don't like it, because it only will make it harder, because there is no way to know.

Either jonti is a wolf, and he will get away by proposing the next theory:
Or jonti is a villager, who was confunded by the wolves to believe one of them was the seer and to let jonti out a villager.

And I can't think how to know for sure, or counter this. I wish more people participated a few hours ago :( It would surely give more info.
 
I will post all the PMs I recieved from my contact if he doesn't make his explanation phenomenally good.
 
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