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I've made a small patch for Turkey.It includes skin,new tech teams and changes in various parts.It's for DD or DDARM

Especially reccomended for the Turks in this forum :)

Here's the link

http://rapidshare.com/files/245175579/Hoi2_Tr_Patch.exe

or

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?c0oen1ttzon

It's a self extracting archive file.Just download and run.

Don't forget to backup the orginal files to return default and feel free to comment! :)


PS:I deleted the files.You can download the latest version below.

Final version:

http://rapidshare.com/files/247009906/HOI2_DDA_Turkiye_Yamasi.exe

Undo Patch

http://rapidshare.com/files/247010569/Iptal_Yamasi.exe

 
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Here's the second version of the patch.I've made some more improvements.


http://rapidshare.com/files/246117053/Hoi2_Tr_Patch_v2.exe

or

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?dtdd4yntem2


Modified Parts:

ai/tur_1936.ai Now Turkey is more aggressive on Thrace,Med. Islands,Caucasus and Middle East.He is also closer to axis

db/events/death_events.txt Now, after Ataturk's death Turkey does not enter democracy(as in real history).He's still authoritarian till 1950.

db/leaders/turkey.csv Since Turkey doesn't have many generals,i extended their end years.Also some minor changes with skills and traits.

db/ministers/ministers_tur.csv Some changes with personalities and pics

db/tech/teams/teams_tur.csv The biggest part of the mod.About 15 new teams and modded some of old ones.

db/Province.csv Changes with Turkish provinces.Values in brackets are old ones:

IC=25 (20) Steel=35 (17) Energy=79 (53) Rare=21 (17) Manpower=35 (13)

Infrastructure: Istanbul=80 (60), Ankara-Izmir-Bursa-Izmit=70 (60), Afyon-Konya=50 (40)

db/unitnames.csv Hundreds of new realistic Turkish unit names for various categories.This one is not my work.Thanks to Tunch Khan for this great job. http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391221

gfx/skins/tur Turkey skin.Not very professional but it's better than nothing :)

gfx/interface Urban pics of Istanbul,Ankara and Izmir.

gfx/interface/pics Pics of new/modded tech teams and a few ministers

scenarios/1936.eug Turkey is now on the main scenario screen.That makes choosing him easy.

scenarios/1936/turkey.inc Some extra air and naval bases, 4 inf, 1 ca, 1 dd, 1 tp and 1 int are added.Manpower pool is 250 (was 165).Large national claims.Also small changes in policy.

scenarios/1936/vp.inc Turkey's victory points: Istanbul=5 (3), Ankara=3 (2), Izmir=2 (1), Izmit=2 (1), Trabzon=1, Gaziantep=1, Erzurum=1 (0).


A few screenshots

New Teams



Skin and Policy

Old



New



National Claims

Old



New



Terrain

Old



New





And finally i also prepared an "undo patch".It changes the modded files completely with the orginal ones.So you can easily install and try this patch and return to orginal with one click (Orginal files are based on Arm 1.3).The link:

http://rapidshare.com/files/246117356/Hoi2_Tr_UNDO_Patch_v2.exe

or

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mm0dwrw0z0o


Enjoy and feel free to comment :)
 
Very good mod, despite that the last Turks left Crete Salonika and Dardanelles 25 years before the beginning of the campaign. It's like having Italy claiming the rest of Mediterranean sea.
 
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Very good mod, despite that the last Turks left Crete Salonika and Dardanelles 25 years before the beginning of the campaign. It's like having Italy claiming the rest of Mediterranean sea.
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It depends on how you define "claims"

If "claims" = provinces with disputed ownership, then neither Thrace or Salonica should be turkish claims. The Lausanne treaty was clear on the ownership of these areas. AFAIK neither Metaxas regime in Greece or the turkish governments of the era wanted to change the status quo as established in 1923.

I am not sure about Cyprus though...

If "claims" = provinces where a significant portion of the population is friendly to you, then Thrace, Cyprus, and a small part of Bulgaria should be claims for Turkey.

If "claims" = provinces where a significant portion of the population is friendly OR provinces where many citizens of your country originate from, then the OP's map is correct. A lot of Turks used to live in northern greece and crete before the population exchange in 1923 (even Kemal Ataturk was born in Salinika), and many of them were still alive during this period. If this definition of "claim" is accepted, then i would also make the area of "Izmir-Smyrna" a greek claim, since a large number of greek refugees would like to return to their birthplace.
 
turkish claims in this mod represent National Oath borders determined by Ottoman parliament in 1920..Kars,Batum,Musul,Kirkuk,western Thrace and some bulgarian lands, these were all official turkish claims until Treaty of Lausanne..after Lausanne new Turkish government gave up its claims.. but, I think if Turkey joins the Axis and decides to change status-quo in favour of herself, then she should claim these areas again because most of these areas were Turkish terrirories until the end of WWI..not much time passed to forget these lands if conditions become suitable..ın addition, these lands are all in the hands of enemies of Axis powers(except for Italian 12 islands and Crete which should be nomore turkish claims if Turkey joins Axis) and thus for Germany it is not so hard to give Turkey its historical lands for Alliance..So, I think that most of these claims should be created by events, they shouldn't be available from the beginning except for Musul-Kirkuk for which Turkey strived very much to gain in Lausanne and after..

I think among these claims, just Crete never should be Turkish core...I can not think any case in which Turkey would claim this island..it was lost in 1897 and most of its population was christian(although officially it remained under Ottoman sovereignity until 1913, there was not any Ottoman control over the island)..also in Lausanne I do not remember any Turkish claims regarding this island..

if Turkey joins the Allies, then I think new core claims should be created..12 islands should be made both Greek and Turkish claims(I don't know if it's already Greak claim or not)..and after victory of The Allies, 12 islands should be given to Turkey or Greece depending on relations between them and The major Allies(assuming Greece also fought for The Allies and at the end of the war still not in the Communist Rule)..in 1940 or 1941, United Kingdom could easily give Cyprus to Turkey for the Alliance..remember, United Kingdom pressured Turkey heavily for Alliance against Germany but Turkey refused..so, I think it is highly probable that UK would give Cyprus to Turkey as a price for Alliance(Cyprus have many Turkish descendants and Turkey would be very willing to claim this island..greece will be annexed by Italy at this time,so no problem)..

UK would never give Turkey Musul-Kirkuk, if anything extraordinary do not happen..for example, if Italy becomes successful in its north-african campaign so that it captures Iraq and annexes it...then, UK would promise to give its already lost colonies to Turkey in the hope of using Turkey for opening a new front against italians in the north and against germans in the balkans..with Iraq in Axis hands, I think this is very likely option for UK..but I do not know whether for Turkey, it is reasonable to join axis while there is very long front against Axis along its borders..however, I think it would be good price for oil rich Musul-Kirkuk..

if Turkey joins the Allies then,most probably claims for bulgaria wouldn't be materialized..if we think that Churchill reaches an agreement with Stalin about spheres of influence in the Balkans(except for Greece, all balkans in Soviet influence,if I remember correctly)..then, because Bulgaria will be in Soviet influence, Turkey can not take any promise from UK to regain these bulgarian lands..however, in the Allies versus Comintern war, Turkey could claim Batum and Bulgarian lands(in fact, I think in such a war Turkey could claim azarbaijan lands for its support for the Allies)..but unless there is soviet-allies war, it is not even possible to talk about future of Batum or Soviet-controlled bulgarian lands..
 
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for tech teams, there some historical mistakes..probably you know these mistakes but you just want to make Turkey more playable country..but in my humble opinion to be historically accurute is important factor of Heart of Iron,at least for me..

Oktay Sinanoğlu was born in 1935 and graduated from university in 1956..with best optimism, he should be available as tech-team after 1956...and according to me,looking at his theoritical chemistry knowledge, skill 5 seems too much..

Erdal Inönü was born in 1926 and graduated from university in 1947..again with best optimism he should be available after 1947..in addition, erdal inönü had atomic works but not nuclear works, in Hearts of Iron, these are different techs. and nuclear knowledge represents capability of building atomic bombs primarily..so, I think that Erdal Inönü shouldn't have nuclear knowledge..


Arcelik was founded in 1955..it should be available after 1955..and it's white goods manufacturer..

Bogazici University was founded in 1971..until this time, it was Robert College and it didn't have education level as high as a university..

on the other hand, cahit arf, vecihi hürkus,nuri demirag,TCDD and others are very good tech-teams..I will be using them..

my aim is not to make destructive criticism and to offend you..I just want to render an opinion so that mod could be historically more accurute..It is no doubt that your mod improves Turkey much..so, thanks for your effort..
 
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DesertSnow said:
It depends on how you define "claims"

If "claims" = provinces with disputed ownership, then neither Thrace or Salonica should be turkish claims. The Lausanne treaty was clear on the ownership of these areas. AFAIK neither Metaxas regime in Greece or the turkish governments of the era wanted to change the status quo as established in 1923.

I am not sure about Cyprus though...

If "claims" = provinces where a significant portion of the population is friendly to you, then Thrace, Cyprus, and a small part of Bulgaria should be claims for Turkey.

If "claims" = provinces where a significant portion of the population is friendly OR provinces where many citizens of your country originate from, then the OP's map is correct. A lot of Turks used to live in northern greece and crete before the population exchange in 1923 (even Kemal Ataturk was born in Salinika), and many of them were still alive during this period. If this definition of "claim" is accepted, then i would also make the area of "Izmir-Smyrna" a greek claim, since a large number of greek refugees would like to return to their birthplace.
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I agree. There was some little population back then (1936) who was friendly. This population was only in east-east thrace. In salonika, there were Jews, Greeks and Armenians only. In the islands there was no Turk after the population exchange. Only in Northern Cyprus there was a small Turkish minority. This is not well represented in the game, but it will in hoi3 (fully modable map).

So, in my opinion there should be territorial claims only for a small part of Thrace (not the WHOLE Thracian land :eek: ) and a small part in the North of Cyprus (not the WHOLE Island :eek:)


edit: I forgot about the claiming of Crete. This claim is absolutely ridiculous. The 99% of population was christian orthodox greeks, and if someone else except greece took control of the island, it would be a disaster for him. All Cretans from the age of 12 until death had (and still have, but this time, hidden) weapons, from guns to swords and knifes. Imagine 300.000 people having weapons and be against you. Disaster for you. There was so much weapons there, that Metaxas, in order to bring more weapons to the ancient (but heroic) hellenic army, ordered the cretans to give their weapons. (they didn't give 'em, that's why Crete postponed the german plans for a quick capturing of the Island.
 
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makif130289;

Thanks for the detailed information,but you probably didn't check the patch file before post.I temporarily set all teams to start 1936 in order to take screenshots.In the patch the dates are realistic.Arcelik starts in 1955,Erdal Inonu in 1956 and Oktay Sinanoglu in 1960.Sinanoglu looks strange (at age 25),but he was the youngest professor in all world at that date.

You're probably right with Bogazici University.I was deceived by its logo (1863) :) I'll handle that.Thanks again.

I'm also planning to fix Erdal Inonu and add a new team TAEK(Turkish Atomic Energy Authority) which was found in 1956.

And finally Arcelik isn't only a white goods manufacturer.Haven't you seen Arcelik Motor? :)

http://www.3wheelers.com/arcelik.jpeg

New version of the patch is on the way.
 
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qwertyuiop2;

My point of claims on greece territories in this patch is not about current ethnic percentage of those proviences.It's rather about people's homeland.At that time many Turks are Thrace and Crete refugees who were borned in there and migrated to Anatolia.

Btw,In my game i also modded Greece claims on western Anatolia with same point of view.But,since this is Turkey patch it's not included.I put only files about Turkey.
 
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berk80 said:
qwertyuiop2;

My point of claims on greece territories in this patch is not about current ethnic percentage of those proviences.It's rather about people's homeland.At that time many Turks are Thrace and Crete refugees who were borned in there and migrated to Anatolia.

Btw,In my game i also modded Greece claims on western Anatolia with same point of view.But,since this is Turkey patch it's not included.I put only files about Turkey.
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Ah, ok, if you think it this way, it makes some sense.
 
A few more imrovements.Here's the 3rd version.This is last.Probably there won't be any more updates.

http://rapidshare.com/files/247009906/HOI2_DDA_Turkiye_Yamasi.exe


Changes v2 to v3

7 unit pics of Turkey in gfx/interface/models folder.

1 tech team is removed (Bogazici University) and 1 added (TAEK).

scenarios/1936/turkey.inc Now Turkey has 1 small(strength:30) light armor division in Istanbul named Lüleburgaz Tank Taburu/1. Muharip Tank Birligi.It's better not to reinforce it at the beginning since it consumes a lot of ic and fuel.
 
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Very good mod,going to download it.
Turkish : Cok guzel tesekkurler fakat birkac duzenlemeye daha ihtiyacimiz var gibi gorunuyor..Turkiye bence asiri gucsuz yapilmis.Ayni zamanda alternatif bakan sayisi cok az.Bunlari duzeltebilirsen cok daha iyi bir mod olur.Gemiler icin izmir limani,savas araclari ve tank uretimi icin Ankara Silah ve Muhimmat Fabrikasını kullanabilirsin ( her birinin yeteneği en az 6 olmalı)
 
Very good work thanks, now it will become more funny playing with Turkey. But still lacks of ministers and army generals.
Turkish:Bir kac önerım olacak 1941 yılında almanya-Turkıye saldırmazlık anlasması ve de daha snra Inonu nun Adana da Churchıll le gorusmesı gibi bırkac event eklenırse cok daha gercekcı olur ve Turkıye olarak oynayanlara daha cok secenek saglar.
 
to Berk80: Thanks for your efforts.
I also have a suggestion for Turkish fans of Hearts of Iron. If we can unite in some sort of site or blog, we can do a lot of valuable work like this together in the future, maybe for Hearts of Iron 3. Do you know a site like this or would you like to create one?
 
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