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I truly wish the states turned to occupier's market. Then the same framework could be used for civil wars, avoiding the all the fringe issues that come from states temporarily changing ownership.
At least this will add some convoy cost to overseas ocuppation.

IMHO, occupying is too cheap now. Should not be made profitable on top.
 
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Seeing how people are reacting to this thread super unpopular opinion incoming: I guess I am alone here that I do like these harsh penalties. I am fine if they arent changed. One thing I want to add, the old system was really bad because occupation didnt come with any penalty.
There can be a middle-ground between a system that is too harsh and one that is too lenient.
 
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Fair point, AI should be much more scared of that true. But I never play with abusing the AI. Thats like playing with cheat codes like IDDQD or IDKFA. I see no point apart from the very rare fooling around.
First, this is grey area anyway, closer to non-cheese than cheese. I'd prefer to be able to inflict occupation losses to the enemy and the enemy to back down realising that I'm able to do that. Right now I can't enforce my will in this historically legitimate way, the only thing I can do is to make or not make the enemy suffer for no direct gain to me.

Second, the AIs are perfectly capable of abusing each other this way, and having them do that for so long without either capitulating does kinda hurt the whole world, at least from immersion PoV.
 
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First, this is grey area anyway. I'd prefer to be able to inflict occupation losses to the enemy and the enemy to back down realising that I'm able to do that. Right now I can't enforce my will in this historically legitimate way, the only thing I can do is to make or not make the enemy suffer.

Second, the AIs are perfectly capable with abusing each other this way, and having them do that for so long without either capitulating does kinda hurt the whole world, at least from immersion PoV.
But as the AI is not capable of setting reasonable war goals, this just leads to unnecessary and unintended depopulation as the wars drag on...
 
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As I said, if they cannot manage to move the province into the occupier's market, it should have been left alone. This is not a compromise that improves, this is a cop out that degrades. Moving factories here and there isn't 0% MAPI. US going total war on CSA isn't 0% MAPI. Devastation covers that and then some. And no removing them from the planet Earth isn't better because it breaks the game. Here you go:


I'd ask you, why are you not mad about it? It clearly introduces genocidal famine to a game when Paradox tries their best to avoid such portrayals. AI cannot cope and it reinforces players to go back to "autarky per state". It doesn't even push stubborn AI to capitulation as demonstrated in that thread because Paradox still thinks hard capping war score at 0 forever should remain in the game.
Just feels like preferring lighter penalties because in some edge case some people can push the game to extremes that 99% of players will never see and I think that's a far worse solution than what we have now, getting occupied states out of the owners market has been something people wanted since launch and I view it as a step forward.

The way to fix "al the pops died" is to improve how the AI calculates their desire to surrender, not to give them free access to occupied states.
 
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2+ million yearly French deaths to famine because NGF AI wants to liberate Corsica with barely any ships and France would rather fight to the end. Each war is now a Holodomor & Holocaust packed into one.

AI is bad.

Diploplay/peacing system is bad.

What's inexcusable however is throwing this in being aware of all this.

- Hey Philippe, there aren't any German soldiers in Marseille since they are all at the front in Brittany, so why are we sitting on our hands, not trading or working?
- Mon Dieu Henri! They told us stay at our homes till the war ends! Obviously we'll listen to it even if nobody enforces it! Would it kill you to stay put!
- Well, it would since I don't have anything to eat at home, oui.
- Just stay put!
 
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