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Originally posted by Allemand
Heyesey, computer cheats don't bother me so much, but I like to call a spade a spade.

Okay then, admit that the original setup in EU gives *you* a cheat by not allowing all the AI nations to compete on a level playing field. Adding larger fortresses in Asia is only offsetting the advantage you already have.

In any case, the GC works fine without the large Asian forts, so why put them in the IGC?

Because it doesn't. It's routine to see India conquered by 1550 in the GC, whereas it couldn't be done IRL until more than two centuries beyond that. A few years, or even decades, we could put down to player skill, but 200 and some years - there's something wrong.

That's the real cheat, by changing the game.

I presume then, that you still use version 1.01, so as to avoid "cheating" by changing the original game in any way, shape or form.

The Chinese and Japanese were "conquered" or cowed by the Europeans, in reality.

In the 19th and early 20th century, long after the EU time period. Every attempt to do so *during* the EU time period was thwarted with ease.


As for my French/English reformist armies falling to the Chinese because of their larger armies/higher tech, it ain't gonna happen. You can't make the AI that smart

It wouldn't have to be. Try playing as Navarra and DoWing France on 1/1/1492; you'll be crushed. If Maurice Greene has to run 100 metres and I only have to run ten, I'll beat him every single time.
The only reason China doesn't do this is because it's hamstrung. If China are allowed to advance at the same rate that the European nations are, they'll probably have nuclear technology by 1792. They'll certainly have steam engines and ironclad ships by 1600, and they will conquer the world in their sleep if they really want to.
 
The gist of your arguments is that everything happens too soon in EU. That's true. The (human) English player has most of North America before the first permanent English settlement (1607) occurred in real life. If that doesn't happen, then the Spanish are dug in too far north. Everything is moved up in time when the human player is capable and aggressive. But that's true in every game. Large forts won't retard this by much; I can still conquer China by 1550 if I want to.

As for me "cheating" I just take advantage of the game features, like everyone else. That's not cheating.

Giving the Chinese mighty forts is a computer cheat. If that's how the designers want to do it, then fine. But it's still a computer cheat, because it is not realistic and it is not a feature that is applied across the board.

I also don't like giving England small forts, like the IGC does. That makes England even easier for me to play, takes away one of the "challenges" of the GC which I would prefer to keep in the game.

In fact, the IGC has skewed the GC so much (in the name of "historical accuracy" of course) that I finally tossed the IGC. Part of the reason was I was tired of so many changes in such a short time, but another part was that a level playing field for all countries should not be a feature in this game.
 
Originally posted by Allemand
Giving the Chinese mighty forts is a computer cheat. If that's how the designers want to do it, then fine. But it's still a computer cheat, because it is not realistic....

It IS realistic. The Chinese really were that tough to knock over.

.....and it is not a feature that is applied across the board.
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a level playing field for all countries should not be a feature in this game.

Self-contradiction renders your whole argument worthless. Wanna think this one out again?
 
Galadriel, conquering China is easy after you find it, and you can find it by 1530. After that, just send in fast armies to suppress the Chinese armies; after all provinces are occupied send in infantry/artillery teams to reduce the forts. Might take a few years, but 1550 is an easy target.
 
In the GC, I might capture the Chinese CoT early, but I generally leave the Chinese alone until near the end-game. Reason is, taking China in one war adds about 21 BB points which I don't like, and taking them in a series of wars adds too many stability hits while research is going on.

If the Chinese have stronger forts, it would probably be better to take them out in an early war, so they wouldn't be a threat later in the game. Seems like their land tech does get better. In this case, I wouldn't mind absorbing the BB points (only takes 84 years to lose them) and a few BB wars would help my expansion, after all. Plus, some of the Chinese provinces are rich.