1.56 BUG LIST-Please Help Make The AGCEEP Better

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just a few consistant observations(beta 10 and 11):
- IN my last few games i noticed that ottos never gets above land 37 by 1820. maybe the tech switch happens to earlly? they seem to get stuck for a long time in land 17 right after the austro-hungarian war(1520's).
- france never gets reunificated IF hugenots capital ends up in clevenes( not sure how but in 2 games it did)
-netherlands does not seem to "inherit" jakarta latelly, and rarelly colonises taiwan.
-mongolia survives to end game. russian-mongolian events do not trigger.
-spain/england /france still never increase forts in their capitals while russia always gets large and maximum forts ALL over the place wherever possible.as a matter of fact france always gets a few provinces with NO fort at all post war of religion reunification.
-lanka consistentlly ends up in the spanish/portugese/netherlands alliance until the end game.
-zanzibar always survives, nobody inherits/conquer them( not sure ,is intended as such?)
-portugal since EVER always ends up in constant state of war with zimbabwe, dowing every 5 years and RARELLY making any progress at all(in my very last game it actually took 2 provinces. i would say that the problem is zimbabwe STRONG militarry sliders as well as great land tech advancements for a pagan ai. they always get above land 18 easilly, even in 1600's.
-portugal NEVER manages to conquer the costal west african pagan countries(benin, ashanty).

 

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Observations are not always bugs. Better discuss issues in corresponding regional threads.


OE tech turns orthodox in 1540 and muslim in 1615. First one is important for Russia and bonus. Maybe second one is too soon but there is a problem for Muslim countries bonus too, and Safavids in particular.

Clevenes? What do you mean? It is a real problem for France if both Protestant and Ultra Catholic factions survive but this is intended.

How many games? This is almost never a problem in my tests for both Jakarta and Taiwan.

Same remark for Mongolia but it can be hard for Russia if conquest of western part of Siberia is delayed for any reason.

This is a matter of available funds, objectives and sliders. But yes, France doesn't even try to build forts in mainland unfortified provinces (by event). Value of the provinces is a factor too.

Lanka is supposed to ally with Netherlands against Portugal.

Intended for Zanzibar. Can (should) become vassal of Portugal and later Oman.

Zimbawbe is a pagan country and targeted because of this but this country is not supposed to be annexed by Portugal (only the coastal colonizable provinces should). About sliders: high land and serfdom and low quality. I record only land 7 in 1600, 16 in 1700 and just above 20 in 1819.
Portugal is not supposed to annex western African countries neither. But it is a fact AI Portugal is not good at all at amphibious assaults. Cause could be a very limited manpower.

 

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I had a bizarre occurrence with Muscovy involving Pskov. I allowed the Livonian Order to annex Pskov so I wouldn't get massive badboy. I would then later declar war on Livonian Order and seize Pskov, after plenty of looting of course.

The problem is, I couldn't declare war! It said I had to wait for January 0. :wacko: So, I had to declare war on Teutonic Order (without CB) to get into war with Livonians. I ended up with a fair addition of badboy and stability loss.

Is this a bug? I don't understand exactly what happened.

 

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I had a bizarre occurrence with Muscovy involving Pskov. I allowed the Livonian Order to annex Pskov so I wouldn't get massive badboy. I would then later declar war on Livonian Order and seize Pskov, after plenty of looting of course.

The problem is, I couldn't declare war! It said I had to wait for January 0. :wacko: So, I had to declare war on Teutonic Order (without CB) to get into war with Livonians. I ended up with a fair addition of badboy and stability loss.

Is this a bug? I don't understand exactly what happened.

that's a known issue(eu2 engine bug) happens from time to time, all you need to is to make a quick rehost( QUIT first not just "load"). any other such bizarre aspects involving diplomacy can be "cured" in this way.

 

[Mats_SX]

I had a bizarre occurrence with Muscovy involving Pskov. I allowed the Livonian Order to annex Pskov so I wouldn't get massive badboy. I would then later declar war on Livonian Order and seize Pskov, after plenty of looting of course.

The problem is, I couldn't declare war! It said I had to wait for January 0. :wacko: So, I had to declare war on Teutonic Order (without CB) to get into war with Livonians. I ended up with a fair addition of badboy and stability loss.

Is this a bug? I don't understand exactly what happened.

That's very funny! I had the exact same thing with the exact same nations! I was Muscowy and Livonians annexed Pskov! I know the bug, so I solved it like beregic posted, but it's still very odd/funny that it happens with the same nations involved! Perhaps it can be reproduced this way?

 

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So reloading fixes it the way it fixes the stalled AI merchants? I hate reloading after trade 3 because the AI's dormant merchants end up flooding every CoT and expelling mine. Of course, mine got there by taking advantage of a passive AI in the first place, heh.

 

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As a rule, I reload every 10 years in first century, every 20 years after that and every 10 years again around 1800.

 

[Mats_SX]

EVENTHIST40008:
Vasiliy II was not a very bright and talented man like his father was, something which was clearly visible during the first part of his reign. But everything has suddenly changed after he was blinded. The change was due to him being surrounded by wise, experienced people, who, with their ruler being blind, took charge in state affairs and ruled on his behalf. Vasiliy's son Ivan was among them, and was made a co-ruler in 1449.

 

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So reloading fixes it the way it fixes the stalled AI merchants? I hate reloading after trade 3 because the AI's dormant merchants end up flooding every CoT and expelling mine. Of course, mine got there by taking advantage of a passive AI in the first place, heh.

that is why trading does not prove as beeing efficent until higher trade efficency, when such aspect becomes easier to manage. i SUSPECT that the issue is not dormant ai merchant but the engine's ability to KEEP them "competitive"( including ai getting stuck into sending merchants to ONLY one cot, "forgetting" its other optiones...).

 

[MichaelM]

I just managed to diplo-vassalize Cologne as Hesse, only to find out that they get an event to break vassalization. I hadn't had any event to vassalize them, so this was rather surprising. Should Cologne's vassalization-breaking events (202019 and 202006) check to see if the corresponding vassalization-forming events have fired?

 

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I just managed to diplo-vassalize Cologne as Hesse, only to find out that they get an event to break vassalization. I hadn't had any event to vassalize them, so this was rather surprising. Should Cologne's vassalization-breaking events (202019 and 202006) check to see if the corresponding vassalization-forming events have fired?

Not sure. Hermann IV von Hessen is default monarch for Cologne. There is no alternate if KOL_202004 or KOL_202005 don't fire and reason could be Cologne is already allied to Hesse but not by event. Result is the same.

 

[MichaelM]

Not sure. Hermann IV von Hessen is default monarch for Cologne. There is no alternate if KOL_202004 or KOL_202005 don't fire and reason could be Cologne is already allied to Hesse but not by event. Result is the same.

But if Hesse vassalized Cologne before Hermann became archbishop, why should his death make them break it? Is it to make sure future event vassalizations work?

At any rate, I think some advance warning would be nice if the first event doesn't fire.

 

[Garbon]

But if Hesse vassalized Cologne before Hermann became archbishop, why should his death make them break it? Is it to make sure future event vassalizations work?

At any rate, I think some advance warning would be nice if the first event doesn't fire.

Perhaps it would make better sense to have two versions, one where a vassalization exists and one where it does not?

 

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I think important part is Cologne is an elected archbishopric and when Hermann dies, Cologne just chooses a local noble according to EVENTHIST202006:
"When Hermann of Hessen died in 1508, the chapter opted to select a local noble instead of a member of a big dynasty as new Archbishop-Elector. Philipp II of Dhaun-Oberstein rose to the throne of Cologne and Westphalia, and after six successive Archbishop-Electors can be considered such neutral candidates who let Cologne conduct an independent policy."

Is there a plausible way for Hesse to avoid such decision if Cologne is not annexed?
Problem is the same for Palatinate just before and Bavaria long after.

 

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EVENTHIST40008:
Vasiliy II was not a very bright and talented man like his father was, something which was clearly visible during the first part of his reign. But everything has suddenly changed after he was blinded. The change was due to him being surrounded by wise, experienced people, who, with their ruler being blind, took charge in state affairs and ruled on his behalf. Vasiliy's son Ivan was among them, and was made a co-ruler in 1449.

If we replace the spelling of 'Vasili' with 'Vasily' in this text, we can amend some other 'Vasili' as well, I think. (Maybe we can do it easily with a grep function of a text editor.)

But then again, I found we had some similar problems about the consistency of spelling of Russian names across files; For instance, Shuiski and Shuisky. As you know, anyway it doesn't cause any serious problem and it's a separate issue... Should I report them?

 

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But then again, I found we had some similar problems about the consistency of spelling of Russian names across files; For instance, Shuiski and Shuisky. As you know, anyway it doesn't cause any serious problem and it's a separate issue... Should I report them?

I took care of all Vasili/Vasily and all Yuri/Yury

But I'm not sure "y" is the best for transliteration.

We have indeed the same problem for Dmitri/Dmitry, Shuiski/Shuisky and maybe more.

Shuiski is only used in leaders and monarchs files, never in text.csv.

 

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I took care of all Vasili/Vasily and all Yuri/Yury

But I'm not sure "y" is the best for transliteration.

We have indeed the same problem for Dmitri/Dmitry, Shuiski/Shuisky and maybe more.

Shuiski is only used in leaders and monarchs files, never in text.csv.

What about Vasilij and Yurij? Dmitrij and Shuiskij?

something like "ий" in Russian should be transliterated into IJ or IY. Better IJ imo, as J is a sort of half I in some languages like Italian or German...

But better to ask a Russian for it.

 

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AFAIK, you can use all of "y", "ij", "iy", and "iǐ" for "ий" in a personal name as long as you standardize them within your context.
(ALA-LC recommends "iǐ" but we can't use it with ANSI code table.)

But I agree with Bordic to ask a Russian opinion, too.

 

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i already mentioned before, i just ran into the same behaviour over again.

those 2 provinces always end up with no fort post 1700's(must be some event that decreases fort, a historical one or something like that?. at times "vendee" as well, but not always. what bugs me is why this 2 specific provinces!?-nevernalis and auverge-limousin(at least in my own games) if vendee considered most of the times as well that generally makes 2 ot of 3 specifically. this could be a small reason i never see france ever "succed" when napoleon becomes emperor( even if this nation generally is the uncontested european leader in those times).



somehow related; how come i never see france go on a warpath around and after1800's?. many times the events trigger accordinglly, cb's you name it, but the french ai just remains idle( even tried reloading, no effect, and myself i was not playing an european nation wich could justify some sort of "interffearance" on my part in european matters). nothing, peace all around. the only wars in late game are generally poland vs austria or prussia and that's it. after 1750's russia itself becomes compleatlly innert as well.(europe region).

edit: the screen shot "vanished" (even if it still in my posting when i edit)

 

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For fortresses it could be the result of FRA_170094 "The Michau code" with three -1 fortress random commands that can target provinces with lvl 1 fortress only. We can't prevent fortress command from not targeting such provinces. Worse, the three commands in the event can target the same province and result can be an unfortified province where fortification level was above 1. And AI France doesn't bother rebuilding fortress in unfortified provinces without "sufficient" value.

About Napoléon, we reach the limits of the EU2 engine. Even with aggressive policies, cores and CBs, AI France is very conservative. This is a problem for all big AI countries... including historical opponents or Revolutionary France. Anyway, I saw gigantic wars between France and Austria in my tests and even Restoration of the French monarchy because AI France is furious and can't make peace deals without total victory or defeat if engaged against other majors. But there is no easy solution. Forced wars could be worse according to political situation (and conditions are not easy to check) and we prefer trying to give favourable conditions for conflicts, not forcing them.
You made the same conclusions. Problem is seeing big nations entering historical wars with each others. It can happen but this is often the result of alliances and not direct DoW.

This discussion should belong to France and British Isles thread. No real bug is involved. This is about script engine and AI behaviour.