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Session time will be 7-11pm Fridays

We will be using Standard HOI 2 with the 1.2 patch. The version should read UPHQ as we have changed the manpower replacement rate http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...ad.php?t=200112.
Please make sure you do this so that there are no version differences when game time comes.

Axis Countries
Germany* - Konev
Italy* -Munster
Japan* - Husayn
Romania-Zaney


Allied Countries
UK* - Major Ball
USA* - Mike
USSR* - Bumble

* Denotes must have countires.


Rules have been very much reduced. However some are neccessary for game balance. Please read and add any thoughts when you post what country you like to play.

1/HOUSE RULES Known bugs/exploits:

a)You may not serial build Province upgrades, rockets,aa, IC etc as version 1.2 has not fixed this bug.

b)No use of 'ghost' units for capturing enemy provinces etc.

c)No phoney wars (i.e. DOWing but not attacking).

d)A possible exploit allows the Russsians to avoid Ground Defense Efficency(GDE) modifiers by DOW'ing a minor and forcing another power either Allies or Axis to DOW on them if they have guaranteed them. This then voids the GDE modifiers and the Russians could than attack Germany in 1936 with no GDE penalties. The Russians could then settle for peace with Allies and be at full GDE even if they DOW the Axis. To prevent this Russia may not DOW Finland(other than thru winter war event), Romania, Hungary or Poland and may also not interfere with the Chinas until the Allies are in the war. They may DOW on any other country but if AI Allied country DOW them they may not Sue for peace and must stay at war with the Allies.

2/PUPPETTING AND LIBERATING:

a)The Allies may not liberate any country till at war with the Axis

b)The Axis may not liberate any country till at war with the Allies(Japan may liberate Chinas)

d) Germany may not liberate Poland and France may not liberate countries till 1941. This is to stop ceratin events from firing which affect game balance.

3/ALLIANCES:

a)Allies and Axis can only join alliances with human controlled countries in their group ie Allies listed countries must join Allies.

b)Any human controlled minor country may join an alliance at anytime.
Exception: A human controlled Finalnd may not join Axis alliance till after the Finnish war. Russia may not go total conquest.

c)USSR cannot join allies and vica versa.

4/POLITICAL ACTIONS:

a)You may not influence or puppet a nation controlled by a human player without their agreement.

b)The UK may not DOW Japan (this leads to the USA being able to join.)

c)War in europe can start anytime

d)Japan may enter Axis alliance at anytime but must DOW on the USA also.

e)Anyone is free to bring a country to their alliance at any time.

f)No Allied ground forces in Russia apart from aircraft. Military access may be granted for rebasing of ships though.

5/TRADE AGREEMENTS:

a)No player may make any trades till the game is paused on the 7th January 1936. They may accept any deal offered by AI countries in this time. This is to allow traditional trades to be offered by minors ie Swedish ore to Germay etc

b)No economic warfare....UK,USSR and USA may not trade for rares in the first month of the game.

c)Any trade deals can be made or cancelled even those set at start of game.

6/NUCLEAR WEAPONS:

a)Can be researched and made at anytime!!!

7/SPECIAL RULES AND SPECIFIC COUNTRY RULES NOT ALREADY LISTED

a)To prevent mass evacution of French troops from France prior to Vichy event there is a limit of 6 divisions of French divisions which may be in Allied territory other than French.

8)DISPUTE RESOLUTION: All questions regarding bugs and rules to be sent to the board at aussie.board@hotmail.com for resolution.
 
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An interesting session with Germany not make any friends even with their own future Allies.

Roger...I know you couldnt make it last night but you are welcome to pick up an Allied minor next session. Choices are Canada, Australia or South Africa.
 
Wrong there, Germany has a stout ally in romania who sees the more logical reasoning that is done by the leader of the country.
The plans for Romania shall be kept in private but rest assured any neighbors it is not one of agression.
The issue of turkey has brought about threats from the massive red army to the north east,i beleive it was due to poor choice of diplomats on stalins behalf. i do hope some agreement can be come apon as the people of romania are already protesting against war with such an enemy.
Italy has shown it's ignorance to foriegn politicking skill required to lead a country and have from the start shown no interest in fairness, it's Romanias view that perhaps such a country would only bring the axis alliance down.
Japan is a soft point, possible good ally but brash arogance has been shown by the diplomats chosen (again unwisely) by another potential ally.

no other countrys are worth of note for Romania and i am sure not for Germany

The future of the nation of Romania rests in Germanys hands and diplomats.
 
The Turkey issue is clear, I will not allow an axis Turkey. Why? Well axis troops on my southern border means I have to weaken the front fatally in other areas.

What I need from Germany is this, ban Turkey from the Axis alliance or give gurantee that no troops other then Turkish ones will be in Turkey till 1942. If Germany fails to do this I will declare war on Germany. Germany cannot rech me unless they declare war on Poland in which case the Allies will enter the war and Germany will lose. I will sweep through Turkey and Romania like a hot knife through butter. I outnumber Germanies armed forces 4 to 1, the war will be swift. And I'm sure Zaney doesn't like the idea of the Red Army in his country in 1937...
 
If the red army is indeed as strong as you say it is i'm sure having turky on our alliance by there own devises should not bother you so, unless you have ill intentions of your own.

I'm sure i remember a pact whereas Germany wouldn't enter Turky before an agreedapon date but if i recall you broke that pact.
 
zaney said:
If the red army is indeed as strong as you say it is i'm sure having turky on our alliance by there own devises should not bother you so, unless you have ill intentions of your own.

I'm sure i remember a pact whereas Germany wouldn't enter Turky before an agreedapon date but if i recall you broke that pact.
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I havent broken any pact...Germany has. :(
 
zaney said:
=o i don't have that game...is it good?...can you give me a rundown of it?
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it's good, just complicated. Essentially it takes the time from the assumption of the throne by Queen Victoria 1838 to the end of WW1. You get to play the Rise of Prussia and the American Civil War among other things. Its available for download from the paradox shop for like $20 I think if you want it. :)
 
The German player has displayed extreme selfishness by draining the world market of rare materials and money. Upon being asked to cancel money deals with Brazil so that I, Japan, could get a positive income of 1 (as opposed to Germany's income of 33 money) he refused and Japan was then forced to buy this money at a 10:3 ratio from Germany rather than a 2:1 from Brazil.

Not only money, but 55 rares as well. He offered me 5 rares in exchange for 5 oil. I, Japan, was offered rares for oil. From a supposed ally at that. Need I say more?
 
Actually the single largest trader for money is the USSR :D Mainly cos I'm paying Germany 16 cash a day ;)
 
What on earth would make you pay 16 money to Germany? Are you insane?
 
$16 a day is absurd for anything. The USSR wants for nothing and can force agreements of its own without paying money.

I think germany does need to be a little bit more generous with its resources to its allies in Italy and Japan. Having played Germany the most in our MP games it is essential for a strong italian allie to secure Europes southern fronts. If italy is weak this will indeed be a short game for both italy and germany. If italy falls the so dose Germany, Germany will need nearly every division and allied divisions just to fight the USSR let alone defend all its long flanks. Minor troops such as yougos, or pupets are useless for defense there only a trip wire to alert you that forces are landing there.

My advice to Germany is re-establish good relations with you allies in Italy/Japan and help them alittle as you will get help later in resources and manpower which you will surely need, desperatley. A house divided will never stand and all this axis iin fighting will only make this a quick and pointless game for the Allies.

Major ball as UK will destroy a weak Italy easily, once that happens Germany has lost the war. A weak Japan is no good for me as i would actualy like a good fight, not wham bam thankyou mam, done and finished.

So for the sake of a good strong axis i would ask Hitler or maybe his romania biatch to send new diplomats to Rome and Tokyo and reach a compromsie for all.

If you dont you are UK & US the easiest of victories, oh and the Communist swine BB.
 
Japan confronts Germany on principle not need. Our resources are fine, but we will not put up with an arrogant and selfish Germany.
 
Stalin laughs at Hitler and looks forward to crushing the Wermacht :D
 
Husayn said:
The German player has displayed extreme selfishness by draining the world market of rare materials and money. Upon being asked to cancel money deals with Brazil so that I, Japan, could get a positive income of 1 (as opposed to Germany's income of 33 money) he refused and Japan was then forced to buy this money at a 10:3 ratio from Germany rather than a 2:1 from Brazil.

Not only money, but 55 rares as well. He offered me 5 rares in exchange for 5 oil. I, Japan, was offered rares for oil. From a supposed ally at that. Need I say more?
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Germany is ripping me off also omni so l'l give you what resouces you need for free if i can spare them ok.
 
German thoughts

Well i prefer to fight with my enemies and get along with my friends but this game in some ways is more fun then i thought when i left Friday. I wrote Major Ball a note in response to his note to me it was not meant to be private so here it is..............

Well back at work today,


Yes i clearly did not perform the diplomacy well with Italy. I had little conversation with USSR but did agree to the pact and made it clear poland baltic states and finland were negotiated, I in fact gave them a free hand in finland wich is more than the traditional agreement. With romania allied there was no need to disuss that. Turkey was not part of the agreement for obvious reasons. I have no idea what italy said and promised but since my relationship with Italy was problematic i was not even privy to that, let alone responsible.

I offered italy 40 energy for .02 dollars yes 2 tenths of a dollar without strings and told them I would give them the troops they wanted for africa and middle east when the time came without strings. I also made it clear that Albania greece spain and the entire med was there sphere of influence. You will note again this is consistant or more generous then what was historically offered in 1936. I offered japan some rares also and was feeding romania any resources it asked for. I told italy from the begining my strategy of allying yugo and Turkey. I use Yugo slavia as my hungary replacement with a human romania. so Romania can get a bit more ic out of hungary as will germany, and avoid the vienna dictates. It makes the game more enjoyable for Romania and germany fundamenatall stronge. All beligerance is gone by late 38 for the early action so it has no negative effect.

Well I have a good situation with Romainia with a land connection i can support them. The german position is fundamentally sound and if needs be i can successfully prosecute a war with ussr. I am not fond of ussr attacking early and have been in several games where Turkey went axis and in none of them did ussr dowar early. As you may recall that is one of the reasons i asked about allies and in fact** Turkey specifically** in our previsous email to see if this was unnacceptable in some players minds. But honestly I am more then happy to play a war fighting ussr if needs be. ussr negotiated the pact without mention of turkey and we have a long term agreement in place, he will have to break an agreement to dowar. Whether Turkey chose to join the axis or not was not germain to our negotiatiations. He made a firm agreement to peace to May of 1941 for the consideratiions wich included annexation of finland a very large concession and no attack in 1940 another large consession. It follows that germany had a quid pro quo to balance this but he did not ask.

If on the other hand the allies declare war we have a different issue other then Ussr breaking an agreement. If the allies will not stay at war and fight ussr as is in your rule set two things occur.

1 Most importantly ussr gets the great patriotic war without any immeadiate attack on ussr. I cannot prosecute a war in 1936 with ussr if this occurs although i can stand on defense and maybe gain some ground. This is clearly a bug.

2. The allies gear up because of this and long term that will also destroy germany.

If ussr insisists on persuing an attack the most simple solution is have a human france and uk and just not declare war. I obviously would prefer a more non beligerant ussr but I find this acceptable.

On anaylisis other then working through the mechanics above there is one fundamental problem.

The Italian player wanted to run the Axis strategy, maybe on a first game it would of been wise of me to let him but we (in theory) would be playing for several weeks and against good players. I have played against Mike before. I wanted a strong strategy that would bring germany to if not victory at least a well fought game past 1945.

I told Munster he could have all the resources he wanted if he would work with me and I think my offer was fundamentally sound. unlimited resources, troops for africa, his conquest of spain greece albania, control of Turkey and as much of the middle east as he could get with german troops and aid. If you put this in a historical perspective... his complaints are ridiculus. and i offered him 40 energy with no strings even without agreeing to help me.

What was the fundamental problem... well obviously my bad diplomacy.... but aside from that Italy wanted to dictate the Axis Strategy. It was pure and simple a control isssue. In all the games i have played Germany was the main axis player and set much of the strategy for the axis. I told him i was open to negotiation he would take military control of turkey and use it for his aims I just did not want an allied turkey and as the allies i normally ally it.

It would probably have been best if munster played germany. I would of been very happy with a germany that did what I did but what can one say.

Solutions:

1 A human France let USSR do what it does.

2. Let Munster resign as italy or of course me as germany and that is a solution.

3. Let the people that want to play on play on. Replace the others

4. Start a new game possibly either without me or obviously not with me as germany and Munster as Italy... this wisdom is obviously inspired ....

Well I am sorry i was not successfull with my diplomacy with Munster, if i could of got him to think we would be dancing on the face of happiness right now.

turkey romania and yugoslavia all in the allies in 1936... the world is our oyster.

Look forward... I hope ... to hearing back from you .

Tim

********* that was the private note i sent back Major Ball and i think ... from my perspective it is sensible... a couple quick notes i offered 5 rares for 4 oil as a starting point happy to send more. japan was + a large amount for oil at the moment so i just threw that in there...

one other note without great patriotic war i have beaten ussr in a similiar position in 1936-37 Germany and Romania are connected in case one forgets the lands of hungary found it expediant to join the third reich.. I in fact in a game 4 weeks ago I forced a ussr to surrender with a neutral poland coming though only romania in early 1937. 1918 infantry and virtually no land doctrine do not inspire the russian troops to heroic deffence of the ussr. The most likely outcome is a very Large Romania after terms are forced on ussr (without the great patriotic war). Romania as you can tell by this posting does not have fear to fight in a just cause. Frankly i prefer giving a smaller piece of russia to romania in 1941 like maybe the southern ukraine and crimea. so all things considered i did not want war like this. USA is a real monster by 1943 and germany will need ussr lands to fend it off.

Please do not construe this not e in anyway to mean i want to fight ussr. frankly even if i beat ussr and force a bitter peace it is not near as much fun as a more traditional game. The USA will be in the war early and that is never a good thing.

As to a solution (beyond ussr living with the deal it made and next time Making Turkey a part of the pact and most likely accepting a may 1940 war date wich the pact allows for) I will have to have some troops in turkey to deal with the middle east I am happy to keep them off the border till war starts. By this I mean by at the moment i dowar ussr any german troops will be one province back from the border and will not be given any move order till war breaks out. Frankly i have played ussr several times and it is almost impossible to beat a good USSR player in 1941. I must of course hope the USSR player is not an expert.... against an expert you must attack in 1940. The Game balance is a bit off in this respect..

I will be happy to keep german troops out of turkey all together till march of 1939. Since occasionally i attack the allies before sept 39 i wish to keep options (other then staying off the border) open after march 1939.

The fascist powers.. Turkey Romania Austria and Yugoslavia stand united against any agressive move from the USSR. But wish nothing more then a peacefull settlement. yes Salin your negotiating team did you wrong and should of brought up Turkey in your negotiations with germany. I know not what that rascal Mussonlini told you but Even the founder of the fascist movement cannot speak for the German people.

Hitler... aka KONEV aka OLD HORSE
 
Just because a player offers his opinions and suggestions doesn't mean he's trying to run the show.

I am Germany and Munster is Italy in a different game, I take into account his opinions (and those of my other allies), but obviously as Germany I have the final say. This doesn't mean that I be-little them and cut them off from resources.
 
I think we have misjudged Konev, I for one have been harsh in my opinions and incorrect.

Konev I apologise to you unreservedly and I want this game to continue with all current players. I suggest that the axis have a meeting in Berlin and patch things up, I suggest that Munster and Omni give Konev another chance. Start from a clean slate. :)

Konev I appreciate that the M-R pact we signed was generous to the USSR however I want to renegotiate the terms. I cannot afford the large cash payments....I can offer other resources instead. Also I need something more in regards to Turkey, if the Axis attack from Turkey then I need large Mtn forces that cost a shitload of IC...The deal I made with Italy gave control to the Italians on the provision that no German built or owned troops would ever set foot there...If this is possible for Germany to accept then we have no problem.

I'll see EVERYONE on Friday...I mean it :mad:

Oh and Konev I'm a she not a he :p
 
In Bumbles defense..this is the first game as Russia. Giving cash to the Germans is just way too expensive to demand and give for the Russians. Also I think the Axis should not attack into Russia from Turkey until 1 year after a DOW on Russia. Bumbles inexperience as the Russians should be enough of a handicap without being attacked from the south in the first year as well. So I propose some deal where no Axis troops may attack into Russia from Turkey and Persia(including Italian) until 1 year from the date of a DOW. They may however seek their middle east ambitions from Turkey. The Russians may also not attack into Turkey or Persia for one year from date of DOW. What do you reckon?

The other problems are not an issue for the Allies but for the Axis partners to sort out. I am sure the Germans can throw and olive branch to appease future Axis Allies.
 
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