113) Bug: W/ semisalic primogeniture sons of daughters can inherit if older than sons

[jaolhe]

Is semi-salic primogeniture working correctly?

I don't know whether this is working as intended or not - well, in my latest Third Crusade -game playing as Duchy of Franconia my first ruler was becoming old without a male successor. Well, after a couple of assasinated wives and as many new ones I finally got two male sons (the old fellow was already 78 years old).

The problem was that after some stupid experimenting I had changed my primogeniture laws to semi-salic and this presented a huge problem as my eldest daughter was married to another duchy more than 40 years ago and she had sons and grandsons that both were elder than my own sons. I'm not sure if that's supposed to be this way - these around 7 guys with different surnames than my own were ahead of my sons in the succession order. I wasn't yet able to change my inheritance laws again.

Shouldn't your own sons in this case always be prior to some lousy counts of Steiermark that are part of a different dynasty? I think one problem here is that I had four wives altogether in the course of almost 60 years of game time, perhaps the game doesn't properly recognize your own sons from the fourth marriage above the guys coming from the first marriage via the semi-salic route.

BTW, what benefits do you ever get by having semi-salic law? As I see it, there is only the raised risk of losing the game altogether...

 

[unmerged(23687)]

This is 100% WAD. With more Vasalls you got big Problems with such a high BadBoy Value.
I think this thread will be better placed in General Discussions in a "suggestions for 1.02" thread than in the bug forum.

 

[Grosshaus]

Bug statuses aren't to be used in thread titles by posters and exclamation marks are not to be included either.

But enough of nitipicking, we might have a bug here. I don't mean the assassination part as it's more of a request of feature.

What caught my mind is the inheritance order thing, I doubt that's the way it's supposed to go. Could you edit out the assassination part, you can make a thread about it in general discussions if you wish, and leave the inheritance part here? Also did I understand correctly that you had semisalic primogeniture as inheritance law?

EDIT: sure you have 1.01? Is your son legit, i.e. not a bastard?

 

[Duuk]

Well, "semisalic" would mean that the Daughter's line would have priority over the 2nd kid's line, right?

So technically (according to the manual) that's WAD. I'm not an expert on medieval inheritance laws though, so I'm not sure if it's historically accurate.

 

[Martinus]

Well, "semisalic" would mean that the Daughter's line would have priority over the 2nd kid's line, right?

Wrong.

Semisalic allows male heirs from daughter's line to inherit, but they always should fall after male heirs from son's line (sons included).

 

[jaolhe]

Bug statuses aren't to be used in thread titles by posters and exclamation marks are not to be included either.

But enough of nitipicking, we might have a bug here. I don't mean the assassination part as it's more of a request of feature.

What caught my mind is the inheritance order thing, I doubt that's the way it's supposed to go. Could you edit out the assassination part, you can make a thread about it in general discussions if you wish, and leave the inheritance part here? Also did I understand correctly that you had semisalic primogeniture as inheritance law?

EDIT: sure you have 1.01? Is your son legit, i.e. not a bastard?

Yes, yes and yes. I have semi-salic primogeniture, version 1.01 from the start of the game and my two sons are not bastards (I do have two of those as well but they are not listed in the succession line and I've undestood that is how it's supposed to be).

Edited the post, started a new thread about assasination in GD.

 

[FrEDa]

Maybe it's as simple as a "refreshing" of the heirs that's missing. Before the new legit boys were born, the line of the daughters were in play.

If, when the sons were born, it simply added them to the heir list (instead of re-calculating it as it probably should) that could explain why they're missing out.

So, either..

1. There's something wrong with the 'Heir-Calculation-Method' for semisalic pri.
2. Due to something, the recalculation-method for semisalic pri. was never called when the new children were born, or perhaps never (i.e. just added according to age).

So, check if the daughter-lines are correctly sorted (oldest daughters male heirs first etc).

/F

 

[State Machine]

Darn, I just posted about this in another bug thread...

I can verify there is a real problem here, and I earlier reported in the beta. My case was very contorted so I wont go into details (it's in the beta forum).

 

[Solmyr]

Has this been given an official bug status? I can confirm this happening in my 1.02 game.

 

[unmerged(6582)]

Just try playing the count of Amiens in the 1066 scenario, you will have the same problem (easy to avoid as a count, just temporarily change your inheritance law to salic instead)

 

[unmerged(1047)]

My observation in 1.02 was that, under semisalic, the sons of the oldest child would come before the younger children - regardless of if the older child was male or female, and regardless of age. So if the oldest child happened to be a girl, the first heir would be her first son, not her younger brother.

 

[Solmyr]

This situation can be well demonstrated by selecting the count of Amiens and Vexin in the 1066 scenario. He has only daughter, the eldest of whom has a son in the Vermandois family. This son will always inherit, even if the count of Amiens later gets sons of his own (which means that the county of Amiens is pretty much unplayable since your dynasty will lose automatically).