1187 - scenario setup bug thread.

[C.N.]

After a suggestion from Martinus, I decided to take a look at the 1187 scenario for problems.

- Norway: My sources indicates that there was a rebellion 1185-1188 against the King of Norway. It was centered in the Akeshus area but also spread towards the west. Leader of Rebellion: Jon Kuvlung, monk, claims to be the son of dead king Inge. The rebels should at least control Akershus and Vestfold.

- Denmark: In 1187 Bishop Valdemar of Slesvig was replaced as a ruler in Syd-Jylland by Valdemar, brother of the King. (I guess that this could mean that the Slesvig province should be a Bishopry under Valdemar of Slesvig?)

Source:
"När Hände Vad I Nordens Historia", Rosborn, Schimanski, et al., 1997, MånPocket

Other things:
- Desht-i-Kipchak shouldn't belong to Kexholm.
- Satakunta should belong to Sweden or at least be catholic and have a Swedish ruler.
- The situation in Sweden seems strange. Don't know how it should be however.
- Nyland should probably belong to Tavasts.

 

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- The situation in Sweden seems strange. Don't know how it should be however.

...and we still suffer from it...
No, seriously I second your opinion about Nyland..

 

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- Norway: My sources indicates that there was a rebellion 1185-1188 against the King of Norway. It was centered in the Akeshus area but also spread towards the west. Leader of Rebellion: Jon Kuvlung, monk, claims to be the son of dead king Inge. The rebels should at least control Akershus and Vestfold.

Indeed your sources are correct. This is written in the saga of Sverre, allthough the name of the leader is somewhat debated He claimed to be Jon Ingeson, but was called kuvlung because he used to be a monk (Kuvlung meaning something in the direction of hood or a hooded cape, I belive). After he was dead, it was revealed, by the victoriuos King Sverre of course, that he really was Orm Peterson and had no claim to the throne at all. Anyway, it would seem right that the rebels controlled Viken, Akershus, Vestfold (?) and Bergenshus. This was at the height of their power, but since the saga doesn't mention any dates, I would guess that around 1187 they controlled Viken, Akershus and possibly Vestfold. Jon or Orm was killed in Bergen.

 

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Oh and another thing, the capital should be in Trondheim or Trøndelag not akershus. I'm not sure if it is in this scenario, but in 1066 it is located wrongly in Akershus.

 

[Faeelin]

In 1187, I'm not quite sure what's up with the kingdom of italy; that was clearly part of the kingdom of naples, and moreover they should have a claim on sicily.