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Hill Forts missing

i'm not sure if this fits under the previous reporting of this or not...so sorry if it does.

I noticed in norther novgorod that there are a few provinces without hill forts and rest with them. Now when i look at tech levels none have hill fort discovered. Later when a province learns small castle...still no hill fort so theres no way to upgrade or start a castle of any type.
 
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The bug isn't about having provinces without the hill for tech, it's about not being able to build a small castle even if you have the tech if you don't have hill fort tech. Can that be confirmed?
 
Grosshaus said:
The bug isn't about having provinces without the hill for tech, it's about not being able to build a small castle even if you have the tech if you don't have hill fort tech. Can that be confirmed?
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I'm a bit unsure what the original poster means.
- He has no hill fort and no hill fort tech, gets small castle tech and can't build small castle?
or
- He has a hill fort and no hill fort tech, gets small castle tech and can't build small castle?

The first one looks like WAD according to the improvents file, the second one is probably a bug.
 
I am enhancing this some. After I posted I noticed that through time those provinces earned the hill fort tech, after the small castle tech. But still no hill fort available. even after both were discovered. That may be a second bug but may / maynot be related.
 
C.N. said:
I'm a bit unsure what the original poster means.
- He has no hill fort and no hill fort tech, gets small castle tech and can't build small castle?
or
- He has a hill fort and no hill fort tech, gets small castle tech and can't build small castle?

The first one looks like WAD according to the improvents file, the second one is probably a bug.
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These scenarios occur:

1) No Hill Fort Tech but has a Hill Fort
2) No Hill Fort Tech no Hill Fort (Normal?)
3) Small Castle Tech, No Hill Fort Tech, No Hill Fort - so no small castle option
 
jmschaub said:
These scenarios occur:

1) No Hill Fort Tech but has a Hill Fort
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That's WAD.
jmschaub said:
2) No Hill Fort Tech no Hill Fort (Normal?)
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That would be strange but WAD.
jmschaub said:
3) Small Castle Tech, No Hill Fort Tech, No Hill Fort - so no small castle option
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That would be a bug: You shouldn't have Small Castle Tech before Hill Fort Tech ever.

Is that what is happening ?

Could you give us an example in one of the scenario setting ?

Cat
 
Grosshaus said:
Nope, that's WAD. All techs can be gotten without prerequisities.
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So it's WAD not to be able to build any kind of castle because you have the higher tech, but not the lower one, and you need to build the lower building first, before building the second ?

I understand the mechanism of the problem, and I can understand why it's happening, but it's a little bit odd for players...

At least, if you get the higher tech, if you research the lower one, you'll get it first, right ?

I mean if tech spread give you lvl 2, if you research the group, you will get lvl 1 first, not lvl 3, right ?

Cat
 
No.

What we are saying is that, because of the way tech spread work, you may get Castle lvl 2, before castle lvl 1.

But if you don't have castle lvl 1, you cannot build a hill fort first.
And without a hill fort, you cannot build small castle.
So basically your tech lvl 2 in castle is useless for the time being.

That's WAD, like it or not.

What I want to be sure before closing this thread is that you can research castle lvl1 (i.e. if you research "castle" you won't jump to castle lvl 3). Then you would be able to build lvl 1, then lvl 2 in a row...

I think it's the case, effectively, I remember having a discussion with MrT about it... But if someone could confirm...

Cat
 
Cat Lord said:
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What I want to be sure before closing this thread is that you can research castle lvl1 (i.e. if you research "castle" you won't jump to castle lvl 3). Then you would be able to build lvl 1, then lvl 2 in a row...

I think it's the case, effectively, I remember having a discussion with MrT about it... But if someone could confirm...

Cat
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From my experience this is true. All it does is save you from researching the lvl2. Once you get the lvl1 you can build lvl1 and lvl2 when that is finished - assuming of course you have the money.

It has been a long time since I have seen this though.
 
OK, the way it works is WAD, but although I can understand why it works like that, I also understand why people may think it's a problem...

Let's found a common ground: WON'T FIX ! :D

Cat
 
Cat Lord said:
What I want to be sure before closing this thread is that you can research castle lvl1 (i.e. if you research "castle" you won't jump to castle lvl 3). Then you would be able to build lvl 1, then lvl 2 in a row...
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Actually according to Bjering there's always a chance you'll discover a tech that isn't the first in line, so if you don't have any of them you might end up with discovering level 5 instead of 1. Naturally the odds are way lower, but still existant. This works well with other tech groups like agricultural techs (why would one have to discover chickens before sheep :rolleyes: ), but does have drawbacks in this particular tech group.

So won't fix sounds like just the right choice.
 
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