146) FEEDBACK: Courtiers moving to their mommy's house

[Solmyr]

Courtiers moving to their mommy's house

People move to a court where their closest relative resides, and currently (1.01) the order of "closeness" is spouse, mother, father, oldest child. However, this can lead to some undesirable things. Namely, if you marry off your widowed mother to some ruler, all your siblings (assuming she is also their mother) move along with her to her new court.

Might I suggest that the "closeness" order is modified like this: spouse, father, oldest child, second child, ..., oldest brother, second oldest brother, ..., mother.

 

[Grosshaus]

Second opinions?

 

[richvh]

Mother goes home to parents when infant son inherits

I had my duke die with his only son being about 5 in a game with Pleonast's ICoCK mod, and found that my new duke's mother went home to her parents. Tested this again with a vanilla game (marry Gro Svendsdottir, wait for first son to be born, select ruler, use console to kill him, check new ruler's mother, she's back in Denmark almost immediately.)

Shouldn't there be a bias for the new ruler's mother to stay with him if he's underage?

 

[FrEDa]

My 2 cents would be to put in a very big order of randomness into all this. No point in having a fixed order for this, a weighted randomness would probably be the best. Or are these people robots following orders..

/F

 

[InnocentIII]

IMHO there should not be huge results from marrying off an older mother.

Under age kids go with their Mom.
Teenagers maybe do, maybe don't.
Adult children stay where they are and call collect on mother's day.

 

[State Machine]

People move to a court where their closest relative resides, and currently (1.01) the order of "closeness" is spouse, mother, father, oldest child. However, this can lead to some undesirable things. Namely, if you marry off your widowed mother to some ruler, all your siblings (assuming she is also their mother) move along with her to her new court.

Might I suggest that the "closeness" order is modified like this: spouse, father, oldest child, second child, ..., oldest brother, second oldest brother, ..., mother.

I did the same thing and lost my, dear, favorite brother...

I agree with your suggestion. Presumably the *power* association should be most favored. Though, I like the random aspect that was mentioned.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

IMHO there should not be huge results from marrying off an older mother.

Under age kids go with their Mom.
Teenagers maybe do, maybe don't.
Adult children stay where they are and call collect on mother's day.

Call collect? What a bunch of cheapskates!

In all seriousnes, a good idea InnocentIII submits, me thinks.



-Duncan

 

[richvh]

I had my duke die with his only son being about 5 in a game with Pleonast's ICoCK mod, and found that my new duke's mother went home to her parents. Tested this again with a vanilla game (marry Gro Svendsdottir, wait for first son to be born, select ruler, use console to kill him, check new ruler's mother, she's back in Denmark almost immediately.)

Shouldn't there be a bias for the new ruler's mother to stay with him if he's underage?

Oh, and in the ICoCK game, in a save just a few months after inheriting my new duke was in terra incognita. I haven't been able to confirm this yet in the vanilla game (Svend keeps dying too soon.) Might be a source of some of the crash bugs.

 

[C.N.]

Might I suggest that the "closeness" order is modified like this: spouse, father, oldest child, second child, ..., oldest brother, second oldest brother, ..., mother.

And put sisters after mother, right?

 

[Solmyr]

To bring this up again, I discovered another potentially problematic situation that can arise. If your son dies before you do, his widowed wife will usually move back to her original court - taking all your grandchildren (including your heir) with her. Worse, she might then get married to someone else entirely, and your descendants will migrate with her, now completely out of your reach.

So grandfathers should be put in that list as well, before mothers. Surely rulers could manage to keep their grandkids with them, especially if one of them was the heir?

 

[richvh]

I think it should be highest titled child (if any) first, then work through parents, untitled children, siblings. Currently, if you die and your minor child inherits and your wife has living parents, she moves out and back to her parents rather than setting herself up as regent, like you'd expect.

 

[Cat Lord]

Why is that a bug in the first place ?

Nothing is broken here.

You may not like it this way, but IMHO, this is not a bug...

Cat

 

[Fawr]

I think that its silly that you can't perswade your heir to move to your court. The only exception to this is if your heir is also heir to a more important position.

 

[Solmyr]

Maybe courtiers should first try to move to the court ruled by their dynasty. So all your half-brothers and sons would stay with you.
I'm not even talking about your cousins, who seem to be moving around the map willy-nilly (mine had moved to Devon, having NO family relations with the count of Devon at all).

 

[Mohe]

I agree with Somyrs order, but even more I just agree with Innocent III, you shouldn't have to marry your rulers widow off in days because she will move away sand take all your siblings with her. This is really annoying and I think that to fight this every woman in my colurtgets married within days of her husband's demise. often the body is not even cold.

I know Medieval life was callous but at the top it wasn't really like the old story from the British army about the Sergeant who proposed to the soldiers widow after she got back from the cemetery only to have her break down in tears not because he was callous, but because she had already accepted the proposal of the corpral who commanded the burial detail.

 

[unmerged(2037)]

I would preffer that only underage characters moved to closest relatives in a strict orded. The others should move only if that relative has also significant power (i.e. title). It is perhaps a WAD, but it still seems strange to me to grant titles to random cousins if there is bunch of brothers/grandsons available as courtiers in some distant minor court.

 

[Brownbeard]

how bout prestige as being the most powerful beacon?

courtiers moving toward most prestigious family member, it makes most sense in most situations.

what irritates me most is when my character inherits his mother moves off back to her father, and the characters siblings follow, and then i can't bestow land on those family members, and they're much better vassals than useless cousins and nobodys...

 

[unmerged(8027)]

I also find it extremely irritating when your siblings move away to another court if the father dies. I think that any wife of a ruler that dies should stay in the court she is in. Is there any historical context for always having her move away with her children? I think that it makes sense for children to stay with their dynasty.