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I prefer not to do this, as it further complicates the situation for the user. I'd hope that appropriate tags could be found, or that we could get rid of some of the 1419 tags to allow a fully consistent load in one moddir.
And that what it would be for now, an extra scenario starting from the same EEP icon.
For some of those other proposed nations, it seems like they last a while in-game. This would be a thing of like the last 70 years? It seems like it'd also be hard to get Qajar Persia to take all starting with only one province.
Milan
Just noticed you have Milan owned by Spain. I'd argue it ought to be French. An event might be called for to cause the battle of Pavia war to start so that Spain can take it.
Genoa ought to be a French vassal.
Just noticed you have Milan owned by Spain. I'd argue it ought to be French. An event might be called for to cause the battle of Pavia war to start so that Spain can take it.
Genoa ought to be a French vassal.
Just wanted to add my two cents on Germany:
- Oldenburg and Holstein should be independent vassals and allies of Denmark; Denmark possibly deserves a shield on both provinces
- Austria should definitely own Württemberg (it was annexed in 1519), which is restored to independence by one of my german events that I should submit soon, and probably Baden as well, if you follow the policy agreed on in the Austria thread i.e. Baden represents the Habsburg Stammlande and Vorlande in Southern Germany, Breisgau and Sundgau, thus owned by Austria, and is set free sometime in the 18th century to represent the rising Margraviate of Baden
- this being an EEP change in 1419, Salzburg should still be entirely independent in 1520
- Magdeburg and Mainz should be independent. Don't repeat a silly mistake of the original 1492 scenario. Magdeburg was inherited in 1680, Mainz stayed independent until the end of the game's timeframe
- Ansbach should be given to the Palatinate, representing the Upper Palatinate
- When I have gotten around to creating the nation and appropriate events, Ducal Saxony should be created in Saxony and (electoral) Saxony moved to Anhalt. As you might know, the rivalry between these two Wettin branches was of great importance during the struggle between the Emperor and the princes between 1531 and 1555
- Oldenburg and Holstein should be independent vassals and allies of Denmark; Denmark possibly deserves a shield on both provinces
- Austria should definitely own Württemberg (it was annexed in 1519), which is restored to independence by one of my german events that I should submit soon, and probably Baden as well, if you follow the policy agreed on in the Austria thread i.e. Baden represents the Habsburg Stammlande and Vorlande in Southern Germany, Breisgau and Sundgau, thus owned by Austria, and is set free sometime in the 18th century to represent the rising Margraviate of Baden
- this being an EEP change in 1419, Salzburg should still be entirely independent in 1520
- Magdeburg and Mainz should be independent. Don't repeat a silly mistake of the original 1492 scenario. Magdeburg was inherited in 1680, Mainz stayed independent until the end of the game's timeframe
- Ansbach should be given to the Palatinate, representing the Upper Palatinate
- When I have gotten around to creating the nation and appropriate events, Ducal Saxony should be created in Saxony and (electoral) Saxony moved to Anhalt. As you might know, the rivalry between these two Wettin branches was of great importance during the struggle between the Emperor and the princes between 1531 and 1555
I think it would be more important to figure out the effect of events on province income, culture etc, as well as DP sliders.
Yeah but that requires real work as opposed to simple posting. I know which I prefer 
I have to argue with Fate a little.
Part of the problem is that these territories were often controled by more than one power at the same time. For example, while the Portugese held Muscat, the interior of Oman was held by Shi'ite imams.
So, in 1520 I would make thse changes to the Middle East.
Jordan to the Ottomans.
Arabia to the Ottomans.
The Hedjaz should either be part of the Ottoman Empire or vassals to them.
Yemen to the Mamelukes!!! (In 1517 the Mameluke garrison at Jeddah was thrown out. They headed south and seized Yemen, before surrendering to the Ottomans sometime later (don't have the date of the surrender nailed down yet).
Aden to Aden.
Hadramut to Hadramaut. Hadramaut should be a vassal of Aden.
Dofar to Mahra (to Hadramaut if tags are short). Mahra should be a vassal of Aden. It should have a core on Socotara, as it was under their control until 1513 when it was seized by the Portugese.
Masirah to Gharra (to Oman if tags are short).
Socotara should be in Portugese hands (it needs a port, BTW). The population should be Greek and Orthodox. The islanders of Socotara were decendets of Greeks and all the Arab texts from the time refer to the islanders as Christians.
The Zanj should be a vassal of Portugal.
Portugal should only hold Cochin and Goa in India at this point.
Part of the problem is that these territories were often controled by more than one power at the same time. For example, while the Portugese held Muscat, the interior of Oman was held by Shi'ite imams.
So, in 1520 I would make thse changes to the Middle East.
Jordan to the Ottomans.
Arabia to the Ottomans.
The Hedjaz should either be part of the Ottoman Empire or vassals to them.
Yemen to the Mamelukes!!! (In 1517 the Mameluke garrison at Jeddah was thrown out. They headed south and seized Yemen, before surrendering to the Ottomans sometime later (don't have the date of the surrender nailed down yet).
Aden to Aden.
Hadramut to Hadramaut. Hadramaut should be a vassal of Aden.
Dofar to Mahra (to Hadramaut if tags are short). Mahra should be a vassal of Aden. It should have a core on Socotara, as it was under their control until 1513 when it was seized by the Portugese.
Masirah to Gharra (to Oman if tags are short).
Socotara should be in Portugese hands (it needs a port, BTW). The population should be Greek and Orthodox. The islanders of Socotara were decendets of Greeks and all the Arab texts from the time refer to the islanders as Christians.
The Zanj should be a vassal of Portugal.
Portugal should only hold Cochin and Goa in India at this point.
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Socotra had Nestorian Christians, not pure Orthodox Christians. Which is Nestorianism closer to?
We call the Coptic and Armenian churches Orthodox (which they aren't), so we may as well call the Nestorian church orthodox as well.
How should we
start? Perhaps we should make the province tax values an average between the 1617 and 1492 values? Would the 1492 values would be sufficent, since it's only a 28 year difference?
On culture - I don't believe there were any major shifts from 1492 to 1520 in Europe, but I have no clue for the rest of the world.
DP sliders - ugh... way too much work
. I don't think it will be at all easy to take a snap shot of a country's policies in 1520.
Originally posted by Fate
How should we
Perhaps we should make the province tax values an average between the 1617 and 1492 values? Would the 1492 values would be sufficent, since it's only a 28 year difference?
On culture - I don't believe there were any major shifts from 1492 to 1520 in Europe, but I have no clue for the rest of the world.
DP sliders - ugh... way too much work
Even though the last thing I should do is give myself more work (
), I can work up where the English would be as of 1520 in terms of province values, cultures, etc. Their DP positions would be fairly easily, as I already have a chart for the English that tracks the changes by year (I think that a similar chart exists for the French, but I can't remember who did that one).
Originally posted by Fate
How should we
Perhaps we should make the province tax values an average between the 1617 and 1492 values? Would the 1492 values would be sufficent, since it's only a 28 year difference?
On culture - I don't believe there were any major shifts from 1492 to 1520 in Europe, but I have no clue for the rest of the world.
DP sliders - ugh... way too much work
I think the issue is not what these values were in real life, but what they are in game. So the procedure is to get the baseline from 1419, check all events for all countries, and adjust the province taxvalues and DPs accordingly. The French DPs were done in that thread. For what it's worth I did the same for Tuscany, however I'd say that is the least of our problems.
For populations I think copying 1492 is just fine.
A few of us have actually started work on a 1568 scenario here, so if any of you are interested in helping to create one...
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In honor of its Beta release, I've compiled a list of changes (from this thread) that should be discussed.
List of things to change/discuss in 1520 EEP
List of things to change/discuss in 1520 EEP
- Wurttemberg should be owned by Austria
- Ansbach should be given to the Palatinate, representing the Upper Palatinate
- Yemen to the Mamelukes
- Tlemcen should exist owning Atlas, possibly Aures
- Spain should have Oran
- Morocco should have by this time a city in Anti Atlas with berber culture
- And of course, the addition of any new nations, though this should be discussed on a GC level
- Mekhran to Baluchistan[/list=1]
I don't know if we want to take any of the changes proposed in the IGC.
EDIT: Eek! I can't believe I forgot my whole Fez owning Toubkal and Fez with Morocco owning Anti Atlas and Sahara thing