Nothing needs changing? Otherwise I'm about to wrap this up as soon as I figure out the error I introduced...
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Okay, done and done. Working as compiled and will be sent to mnorrefeldt post haste.
Is this going to be included in 1.4.1 or will it be a separate download? I am just asking, as since this is done, and 1.4.1 may not be done, how about having this as an early release to see if our changes have positive results?
Its going to be included in 1.4.1 which as said is expected for the end of May. However, if you want to look now, I can send you the files.
That would be great, could you send them to...
jpritcha@rogers.com
Thanks!
I will let you know if there are any problems or inconsistencies.
jpritcha@rogers.com
Thanks!
I will let you know if there are any problems or inconsistencies.
Just a few things for possible future reference (suggestions)
#1. Shouldn't Baliffs be promoted to Tax Collectors for virtually every (European) city in the 1520 scenario?
#2. Poland should have a higher Land Tech value then Russia or Lithuania.
#3. Possibly lower the Livonian Order's stability to -2, as they are putting up a too strong and long fight with Poland/Lithuania (when the war should most likely end in 1521). The way it is going now, it appears like Poland/Lithuania will annex a ton of LO/TO territory. They should do their best to sue for peace as soon as they can.
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Here are some things that I noticed in this file (for a few game years of playing)
Wether or not they are good or bad are up for individual discussion.
(I modified Polish Land Tech to level 9 from level 7)
The war between Russia and Poland/Lithuania quickly wound down after some critical Russian defeats (no territory exchange). This is very good. Russia asked for an inexpensive peace after losing virtually every battle with Poland/Lithuania.
The war between Lithuania/Poland and LO/TO took longer, because the TO didn't put up a fight, but the LO did.
France goes to war with England almost immediately, taking back Calias and gaining a peace settlement. (Historically Calais lasted under British control until the 1550's).
Wars in Italy are springing up all over. Currently, Venice is fighting the Papal states.
There are a few wars in Northern Germany, mainly between Denmark and North German states, as well as a short lived and indecisive Pommeranian-Brandenburg war.
The Ottoman Empire is at war with Persia, and has been for a few years (almost since the beginning of the scenario).
Spain annexed the Aztec Empire.
#1. Shouldn't Baliffs be promoted to Tax Collectors for virtually every (European) city in the 1520 scenario?
#2. Poland should have a higher Land Tech value then Russia or Lithuania.
#3. Possibly lower the Livonian Order's stability to -2, as they are putting up a too strong and long fight with Poland/Lithuania (when the war should most likely end in 1521). The way it is going now, it appears like Poland/Lithuania will annex a ton of LO/TO territory. They should do their best to sue for peace as soon as they can.
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Here are some things that I noticed in this file (for a few game years of playing)
Wether or not they are good or bad are up for individual discussion.
(I modified Polish Land Tech to level 9 from level 7)
The war between Russia and Poland/Lithuania quickly wound down after some critical Russian defeats (no territory exchange). This is very good. Russia asked for an inexpensive peace after losing virtually every battle with Poland/Lithuania.
The war between Lithuania/Poland and LO/TO took longer, because the TO didn't put up a fight, but the LO did.
France goes to war with England almost immediately, taking back Calias and gaining a peace settlement. (Historically Calais lasted under British control until the 1550's).
Wars in Italy are springing up all over. Currently, Venice is fighting the Papal states.
There are a few wars in Northern Germany, mainly between Denmark and North German states, as well as a short lived and indecisive Pommeranian-Brandenburg war.
The Ottoman Empire is at war with Persia, and has been for a few years (almost since the beginning of the scenario).
Spain annexed the Aztec Empire.
Something that is still busted is the perpetual war that some nations are dragged into.
For example, as Poland it took forever to end the wars with Russia and TO/LO (these need to be ended sooner then the game allows). They drag on until 1525.
However, once peace is made, Lithuania immediately declares war on the Crimea, which is allied to the Ottoman Empire.
By this time, Poland has just inherited Prussia (massive inflation), and revolts are flying everywhere, and strong Ottoman forces are ripping into Lithuania/Poland.
Lithuania is just WAY too offensive minded. It was fairly passive throughout the history of EU2, and should rarely ever declare war. Otherwize it keeps the entire region at war for decades. And with the horrible way that WE is now, nations are just collapsing left and right.
For example, as Poland it took forever to end the wars with Russia and TO/LO (these need to be ended sooner then the game allows). They drag on until 1525.
However, once peace is made, Lithuania immediately declares war on the Crimea, which is allied to the Ottoman Empire.
By this time, Poland has just inherited Prussia (massive inflation), and revolts are flying everywhere, and strong Ottoman forces are ripping into Lithuania/Poland.
Lithuania is just WAY too offensive minded. It was fairly passive throughout the history of EU2, and should rarely ever declare war. Otherwize it keeps the entire region at war for decades. And with the horrible way that WE is now, nations are just collapsing left and right.
The fact that France & England are at war almost right away is not too bad - England did attack France in 1522. In terms of Calais, it is probably unavoidable without removing the French CB shield on the province, which we should not be do.
Yay!
Johnny,
Glad to hear about France and England, 30 or so years difference is not much, and another good thing is that France does not invade mainland England.
Spain routinely annexes the Aztec empire, which according to your enthusiasm is another triumph for the 1520 scenario!
If we could only get some Eastern warmongers to cool down a bit this would be a supremely excellent scenario.
Glad to hear about France and England, 30 or so years difference is not much, and another good thing is that France does not invade mainland England.
Spain routinely annexes the Aztec empire, which according to your enthusiasm is another triumph for the 1520 scenario!
If we could only get some Eastern warmongers to cool down a bit this would be a supremely excellent scenario.
I added/fixed the following to help improve the manpower situation in the region based off of similar MP factors in the EEP 1419 scenario.
1520.inc file
For some reason, the MP rating for the 1520 scenario is different then that of the Province.csv file, in that you have to increase the actual number in this file (12 = 1.0, 13 = 1.3).
1520.inc file
Code:
# Galizien THIS ONE IS MODIFIED
province = {
id = 298
manpower = 13
religion = orthodox
culture = "ruthenian"
}
# Danzig
province = {
id = 301
manpower = 12
}
# Prussia
province = {
id = 290
manpower = 12
}
# Memel
province = {
id = 289
manpower = 12
}For some reason, the MP rating for the 1520 scenario is different then that of the Province.csv file, in that you have to increase the actual number in this file (12 = 1.0, 13 = 1.3).
No problem, they were difficult to figure out because the 1520 scenario seemed to do some wacky things with manpower values.
I will look for more differences between the 1419 and 1520 scenarios, as I doubt that population has dropped significantly enough in this 100 year period to warrant many provinces getting lower MP values.
I will look for more differences between the 1419 and 1520 scenarios, as I doubt that population has dropped significantly enough in this 100 year period to warrant many provinces getting lower MP values.
Here is something that I found, which is a very common quote, from many Websites.
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1519-1521 Last Teutonic War.
The Grand Master, persuaded by the Tsar, demanded changes in the 1466 treaty. In 1519 border skirmishes turned into a war, and the Grand Master narrowly escaped an early defeat by the timely arrival of Danish and German mercenaries. The Truce of 1521 coincided with the Reformation, and the Catholic crusading order was decimated by mass conversions to Lutheranism and the army melted away.
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I think that a way to represent this is to have a 2% revolt risk in each of the Livonian Order and Teutonic Order territories. This might result in a better outcome in the war with Poland/Lithuania.
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I also found this:
1524 Tartar and Turkish Invasions
In the Summer of 1524 first the Tartars and then the Turks pillaged Volhynia, Podolia and Polish Ruthenia, reaching as far as the rivers San and Bug. Hetman Tarnowski with meagre forces posted them further East than before and managed to prevent the Tartars from continuing any serious incursions into the Polish border lands. However this only diverted them into the less protected Lithuanian lands.
So, the Turkish/Polish war after the Russian/LO/TO wars is not totally out of wack, however, in no way should Lithuania be declaring these wars, like they currently are. I have been modifying the Lithuanian AI myself, to see if I can get them to be fighting fewer wars.
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1519-1521 Last Teutonic War.
The Grand Master, persuaded by the Tsar, demanded changes in the 1466 treaty. In 1519 border skirmishes turned into a war, and the Grand Master narrowly escaped an early defeat by the timely arrival of Danish and German mercenaries. The Truce of 1521 coincided with the Reformation, and the Catholic crusading order was decimated by mass conversions to Lutheranism and the army melted away.
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I think that a way to represent this is to have a 2% revolt risk in each of the Livonian Order and Teutonic Order territories. This might result in a better outcome in the war with Poland/Lithuania.
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I also found this:
1524 Tartar and Turkish Invasions
In the Summer of 1524 first the Tartars and then the Turks pillaged Volhynia, Podolia and Polish Ruthenia, reaching as far as the rivers San and Bug. Hetman Tarnowski with meagre forces posted them further East than before and managed to prevent the Tartars from continuing any serious incursions into the Polish border lands. However this only diverted them into the less protected Lithuanian lands.
So, the Turkish/Polish war after the Russian/LO/TO wars is not totally out of wack, however, in no way should Lithuania be declaring these wars, like they currently are. I have been modifying the Lithuanian AI myself, to see if I can get them to be fighting fewer wars.
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Hi, one problem that I noticed with Turkey and revolutions is due to this.
Centralization = 8
Innovative = 6
This gives Turkey a very high revolt risk and rebellion possibility. In the EEP 1419, Centralization is 2. In all of the original EU2 scenarios, both Centralization and Innovation are low (even in the later and mid scenarios).
What I did was to lower Centralization to the 1419 level (of 2).
This haves a total rebellion delay and revolt risk (when you add the positive value for Innovative and the negative value for Centralization) being a negative number (instead of what is currently a high positive number).
I also changed the Ottoman Tech group to be Latin.
Centralization = 8
Innovative = 6
This gives Turkey a very high revolt risk and rebellion possibility. In the EEP 1419, Centralization is 2. In all of the original EU2 scenarios, both Centralization and Innovation are low (even in the later and mid scenarios).
What I did was to lower Centralization to the 1419 level (of 2).
This haves a total rebellion delay and revolt risk (when you add the positive value for Innovative and the negative value for Centralization) being a negative number (instead of what is currently a high positive number).
I also changed the Ottoman Tech group to be Latin.
I'd recommend Centraliztaion 4. Here are Turkish events that affect centralization post 1419 and their historic effect (choice A):
+1 city of Mans desire
-1 Shiekh ul islam
+1 imperial college
+1 Atam-Dedem Kanunu Codified
Net +2. From 2 to 4.
For innovative it's -2, one from Shiekh ul islam, and one from the fate of patrichiate.
+1 city of Mans desire
-1 Shiekh ul islam
+1 imperial college
+1 Atam-Dedem Kanunu Codified
Net +2. From 2 to 4.
For innovative it's -2, one from Shiekh ul islam, and one from the fate of patrichiate.
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Other than adjusting tax values for events like the Sound Due for Denmark, or the Enclosure movement for England, is there any effort to go through the events and change the tax values for provinces that undergo events between 1419 and 1520? Also, would it make sense to go through the provinces and readjust their tax values as the richness of certain provinces, increased and decreased fairly rapidly. Although the time period would be a little later than 1520, I'm thinking Mantua and a couple of the Italian state should decrease and some of the German and English ones should go up a bit.
If no effort is underway, I'd be happy to go through a couple of countries and give some new values. Don't think I'd have time before 1.4.1, but maybe for 1.4.2.
If no effort is underway, I'd be happy to go through a couple of countries and give some new values. Don't think I'd have time before 1.4.1, but maybe for 1.4.2.
No, no one has (as of yet) fixed the tax base values to what they should be and so it'd be nice if you would.
(I posted this in another 1520 thread but feel it is important enough to post here)
Based on my understanding of the situation in 1520, Lithuania's power was gradually declining, while Poland's was increasing, which is what most likely led to the amalgomation of Lithuania into Poland (which occurred in two stages).
So, Poland's tech rating should be significantly higher then Lithuania, and Russia.
For example, reading up on battles between Lithuania, Poland and Russia, the Russians had little trouble with all Lithuanian forces, but were almost always faced with bloody and humiliating defeat at the hands of the Polish army. There are accounts of a few thousand Poles defeating armies of tens of thousands of Russians, with little Polish losses.
Poland also fought Austria and Turkey during this era, and came out as equals. It was only in the later 1600's and 1700's when Poland's power began to fade (most likely due to the cost of keeping this large nation in tact).
So, Poland, in 1520, should have a high tech rating, possibly equalling that of the Austrians and Ottomans, and definitely overshadowing the Lithuanian and Russians. (I put it at 10, with a lower naval rating)
Also, Jedisan was lost to the Ottomans in the 1526 war, and should be Lithuanian in 1520.
Based on my understanding of the situation in 1520, Lithuania's power was gradually declining, while Poland's was increasing, which is what most likely led to the amalgomation of Lithuania into Poland (which occurred in two stages).
So, Poland's tech rating should be significantly higher then Lithuania, and Russia.
For example, reading up on battles between Lithuania, Poland and Russia, the Russians had little trouble with all Lithuanian forces, but were almost always faced with bloody and humiliating defeat at the hands of the Polish army. There are accounts of a few thousand Poles defeating armies of tens of thousands of Russians, with little Polish losses.
Poland also fought Austria and Turkey during this era, and came out as equals. It was only in the later 1600's and 1700's when Poland's power began to fade (most likely due to the cost of keeping this large nation in tact).
So, Poland, in 1520, should have a high tech rating, possibly equalling that of the Austrians and Ottomans, and definitely overshadowing the Lithuanian and Russians. (I put it at 10, with a lower naval rating)
Also, Jedisan was lost to the Ottomans in the 1526 war, and should be Lithuanian in 1520.