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kurtbrian said:
actually I check entire Przemysl dynasty, there is a lot of mess :)
there are two dynasties with different name (Przemysl - id = 707 and Premyslid id = 506), this is wrong , both names are used for the same dynasty...so there are some people twice , some are missing, some are dead in one dynasty and alive in second and so on.
Sons of current 1066 Duke of Bohemia (Wratislaw) have wrong mothers, spouses of Wratislaw are there twice too, for example Svatava (czech name) and Sventoslava (polish name version of the same lady)...different ID and link to parents (again Kazimir, father of Svata/Sventoslava is there twice :cool: )

I just made correction for this, I add some missed people in family tree and correct family ties, deleted duplicated persons, update marriage list...
I must check Polish parents of Svatava and make reference control for marriages. And make correction in start positions of Wratislaw brothers. I'll post updated version of 1066 scenario with list of changes tomorrow...if everything will be ok, of course :p

But I need some advice...
I only updated following files ...1066_scenario_characters.inc (for persons and family ties) and 1066_scenario_relations.inc (for marriages). Are there other places for change/update that have influence to dynasties?
And clarification for character IDs, I use empty slots 531-535 (Przemysls starts with ID 500 to 530 and next ID is the 600 for some ukrainiens), is this ok? Can I use those free IDs or they are internal reserved? I found that characters probably added with latest patch have ID with very high number (12000+), I assume that this is just for transparency, right?

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and small note, not a bug and no need to change
in year 1066 was bohemian coat of arms black eagle with red talons and gold crown (? added 1085 ? - king title)
white lion (one tail) on red field used first hereditary king Wladislaw II (reign 1140-1172) and second tail for lion was added by Przemysl Otakar II (r.1253 - 1278)
 
I think that similar problem is in 1337 scenario. In Bohemia rule Jan Luxembourg, which have as wife Eliska Premyslid, but in county of Luxemburg rule Jean de Luxemburg with wife Elizabeth Premyslid. This has to be only one person.
 
kurtbrian said:
also logged.:)
great

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I almost finished startup positions for Przemysl/Premyslid dynasty, just need some testing this evening, I hope that everything is correct and Paradox will use this in next patch ;)

27 characters changed (names,dynasties, birthdates, parents etc.)
5 new characters
10 (+2 see below) characters deleted (duplicity)
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7 new marriages
2 changed m.
3 deleted
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according to living Przemysls changes I altered also their starting locations and titles
because provinces in CK are not exactly in historic places I must made compromise (I don't want switch counties between dukedoms), all living brothers of Duke of Bohemia Vratislav are vassals.
bishop Vok (C438) and count Mikulas (C440) was deleted
Hradec Kralove (C438) is a county , Konrad is a ruler (former Olomouc)
Olomouc (Olmütz - C441) is a bishopric (historical) and Jaromir is a bishop
Opava (C440) is a county, Otto is a ruler
also church building moved from Hradec to Olomouc...

I hope that I change all entries in all necessary files, except dynasties I changed all 1066 *.inc and .eug files :cool:
tomorow I'll post it for download :rofl:
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one small thing, can I add claim in scenario file (if yes, how and where?)
 
I see I was duplicating research with Arkady. Arkady and all others, please review and discuss.

Regarding provinces:
I think we agree that CK province Opava should go for Olomouc (either bishopric or county).
Then, one alternative may be to have:
(i) Ostrava go for Olomouc - the other one (bishopric/county) than Opava - and Hradec Kralove for Brno; or
(ii) Ostrava for Brno and Hradec Kralove for Znojmo (basically to make more room for Moravian Premyslides).

Konrad would be in Brno (Ostrava or Hradec), Oto in Olomouc (Opava).
Jaromir was appointed bishop of Prague only in 1068, and he often lived abroad (being the Emperor's chancellor), so I am not sure he should be Vratislav II's vassal, at least not as of 1066... but we can discuss this.


BOHEMIA IN 1066

Part I – GENEALOGY

1. Dynasty names


First, I believe the dynasty name should be Premyslide rather than Przemysl. The right Czech form would be Premyslovec for males and Premyslovna for females, but since such distinction is not possible, the international (English, French and German, AFAIK) form Premyslide looks like the best option.

In CK CK 1.01, the Premyslides exist as a separate family of courtiers (AKA evil twins or the undead) at the ducal court of Bohemia, which is wrong... :D

Second, I believe that all Premyslides should have names spelled in Czech. In CK CK 1.01, the courtiers Premyslides do have their names spelled in Czech while the ducal family names are spelled in a mixture of medieval and German spelling that perhaps prevails in international sources, but looks quite awful for Czech speakers.


2. Early Premyslides’ family tree

All Premyslides living in 1066 descend from Bretislav Premyslide and Judita (Jitka) Babenberg von Schweinfurt. To avoid useless repetition, I put this early Premyslide family tree here. I trace it back to Borivoj - as it is traced in CK 1.01, but with some mistakes that I correct here.

1st generation:

1. Bretislav I. Premyslide (1002 - 1055) [in CK 1.01 still alive as Bretislav Premyslid], duke of Bohemia. He was a very good warrior (e.g. plundered Polish capital Gniezno and took St. Adalbert (Vojtech)’s relices to Prague; succesfully defended against two Imperial expeditions in 1039 and 1040), bold person and skillful administrator (introduced first real succession laws), but poor diplomat (the plunder of Gniezno turned against him) and some considered him a bastard because his mother Bozena was of low birth and she was already married when Bretislav’s father decided she would be his wife. She had a (second) wedding with Bretislav’s father although she never formally divorced with her first husband – Christian religion was adopted, but not always followed in Bohemia around year 1000. Bretislav did not have any siblings; those in CK 1.01 are his father and uncles (see below).

2. Jitka (Judita) Babenberg von Schweinfurt, (1003 - 1058) [in CK 1.01 still alive as Jitka Premyslid] German noble that received education in monastery, from where Bretislav kidnapped her to be his wife – it seems this was pre-arranged since Judita’s family did not want to openly consent to her wedding with Bretislav because of his mother.

2nd generation:
1.1. Oldrich Premyslide (966 - 1034) [in CK 1.01 spelled as Udalrich], duke of Bohemia, brother of Jaromir Premyslide ( - 1035) duke of Bohemia, and Boleslav III Premyslide (..... - 1037), duke of Bohemia
1.2. Bozena z Postoloprt (? – 1052), Czech
2.1. Heinrich Babenberg von Nordgau ( - ), German noble
2.2. Heberga von Henneberg ( - ), German noble

3rd generation:
1.1.1. Boleslav II Premyslide (929 - 999), duke of Bohemia, brother of Dobrava Premyslide ( - 977) wife of Mieszko Piast.
1.1.2. Emma ( - 1005), German noble
1.2.1 Kresina z Postoloprt ( - ) Czech

4th generation:
1.1.1.1. Boleslav I Premyslide {Kinslayer} (915 - 972), duke of Bohemia, brother of St. Vaclav (907-935) duke of Bohemia
1.1.1.2 Biagota ( - ) Czech

5th generation:
1.1.1.1.1. Vratislav Premyslide (888-921), duke of Bohemia, brother of Spytihnev (875-912), duke of Bohemia
1.1.1.1.2 Drahomira ze Stodor ( - 935), Western Slavic noble

6th generation:
1.1.1.1.1.1. Borivoj Premyslide (852-889), duke of Bohemia
1.1.1.1.1.2. St. Ludmila ze Psova (860-921), Western Slavic noble


3. Living members of the dynasty as of 1066

Vratislav II Premyslide [in CK 1.01 AKA Wratislaw Przemysl and Vratislav Premyslid]

Title: Duke of Bohemia
Prague
Born: around 1033
Died: 14 Jan 1092)

Traits:
Vratislav should be a real star because he managed to obtain the royal title from the Emperor in 1085 in exchange for his excellent and loyal military service. The Emperor, however, failed to fulfill his promises regarding Lusatia and Bavarian Nordgau that he had promised to Vratislav, which indicates Vratislav’s rather weak intrigue and/or diplomatic skills. Historical sources (mainly in Czech, I am afraid) praise him for his martial and administration skills, as well as for his being just (by medieval standards) with his younger brothers, but deplore his vengeful traits. Consequently, I suggest: pretty high martial rating rather weak intrigue, medium diplomacy [or vice versa, whatever renders better the failure to obtain more land from the Emperor], and good stewardship. Character traits should include Knowledgeable Tactician, Just and Vengeful. Nothing regarding health or special traits.

Wives:

1st wife Marie (? – 1056), [is not in CK, but unimportant because childless], Bohemian noble;

2nd wife Adleta Arpad (1040 – 1062) [is in CK 1.01, twice], Hungarian, mother of Bretislav, Jitka, Ludmila, and Boleslav Premyslides [are in CK 1.01, most of them twice, and with wrong birthdates and wrong mother - see their entries below];

Adleta’s ancestors:

1. Andras Arpad (1014-1060), king of Hungary (Arpad family as in CK 1.01)
2. Anastasia Rurik (1022 - ), Russian, daughter of Yaroslav I Rurik the Wise (Rurik family as in CK 1.01)


3rd wife Svatava Piast (? - 1.9.1126) [is in CK 1.01, but nor married to Vratislav] Polish, mother of Borivoj and Vladislav Premyslides

Svatava’s ancestors:

1. Kazimierz Piast (1016-1058), king of Poland (Piast family as in CK 1.01)
2. Dobronega Rurik (1012-1087), Russian, daughter of Vladimir Rurik and sister of Yaroslav I Rurik (rurik family as in CK 1.01)


Children:

with late Adleta Arpad:
Bretislav Premyslide (1058-1100), Jitka (or Judita) Premyslide (1059-1086), Ludmila Premyslide (1060-?), Boleslav Premyslide (1061-1091)

with Svatava Piast:
Borivoj Premyslide (1064-1124), Vladislav Premyslide (1065-1125)

Parents:
Father: late Bretislav I. Premyslide (1002 - 1055).
Mother: late Judita (Jitka) Babenberg von Schweinfurt, (1003 - 1058).


Siblings:
late Spytihnev II Premyslide (1031-1061); Jaromir Premyslide (1040-1090); Konrad Premyslide ( - 1092), Ota Premyslide ( - 1087) (see below)


Liege:
Emperor Henry IV

Vassals: Konrad Premyslide, count of Ostrava (stands for RL Brno) and Hradec Kralove (stands for RL Znojmo); Ota Premyslide, count of Opava (stands for RL Olomouc)


Konrad Premyslide [in CK 1.01 AKA German Catholic Konrad Przemysl]

Title: Count of Ostrava
Born: 1035
Died: 6 Sept 1092

Traits:
We know little about him although he was duke of Bohemia for several months after Vratislav’s death. He did not participate too often in his brother Jaromir’s plots against Vratislav, and his only remarkable deed seems to be a church donation. He was Bohemian (Czech) of course –the provinces of Hradec Kralove, Ostrava and Opava were Czech as well, but I will post on that later.

Wife:
Wirpirk unknown German noble

Children:
Oldrich (1060-1113)

Parents and siblings:
As for Vratislav II.

Liege:
Vratislav II Premyslide


Jaromir Premyslide

Title: none, cleric. In 1066, he was in voluntary exile at Polish royal court in Krakow and returned only when Vratislav II made him bishop of Prague in 1068. Since the game cannot simulate that, he should stay a courtier in Prague, like he is in CK 1.01.
Born: 1040
Died: 1090

Traits:
Vratislav II made him cleric following Bretislav I’s will. Jaromir had received good education in Rome, but his ambition was to become duke of Bohemia rather than a bishop. Bishop of Prague in 1068-1090, he was an excellent diplomat and Emperor’s chancellor in 1077-1085. He was in permanent opposition against Vratislav II and plotted with his younger brothers. I suggest Scholarly Theologian for him.

Parents and siblings:
As per Vratislav II Premyslide.

Liege:
Vratislav II Premyslide


Ota Premyslide [AKA late Oton Przemysl in CK 1.01]

Title: Count of Opava [the guy Mikulas that is the count in CK 1.01 simply did not exist]
Born: ?
Died: 1087

Traits:
Nothing special

Single and childless

Parents and siblings:
As per Vratislav II Premyslide

Liege:
Vratislav II Premyslide


Svatobor Premyslide [missing in CK 1.01]

Tilte: courtier in Prague (child, should be undergoing ecclesiastical education)
Born: 1055?
Died: 1086

Traits:
Later became a cleric and was patriarch of Aquileia in 1085-1086, killed in a riot.

Father:
Spytihnev II., 1031 – 1061, duke of Bohemia, older brother of Vratislav II

Mother: Ida Wettin (.... - .....) German noble

Other ancestors from paternal side:
As per Vratislav Premyslide

Maternal side:
2.1. Dietrich Wettin ( - 1034) von Lausitz, German
2.2. Matilda von Meissen ( - ), German

2.1.1. Dedo Wettin von Merseburg ( - 1009), German
2.1.2. Thietberga von Nordmark (.... - ....), German
2.2.1. Ekkehard von Meissen (..... - .....), German

2.1.1.1 Dietrich Wettin(.....- ....) von Hassegau, German
2.1.1.2 NA
2.1.2.1 Dietrich von Nordmark ( - ), German

Siblings:
A sister


Svatobor's sister [missing in CK 1.01]

Title: courtier in Prague
Born: 1058?
Died:

Ancestors and siblings:
As per Svatobor.


Bretislav (II) Premyslide

Title: courtier in Prague (child, should be undergoing court education)
Born: 1058
Died: 1100

Traits:
Became duke in 1092-1100, info is scarce. It seems he was very pious, and should have low intrigue because he was murdered.

Parents:
Father: Vratislav II.
Mother: Adleta Arpad

Other ancestors from paternal side:
As per Vratislav II

Other ancestors from maternal side:
As per Arpad family.

Siblings:
Judita, Ludmila, Borivoj, Boleslav; Vladislav


Judita Premyslide

Title: courtier in Prague (child, should be undergoing court education)
Born: 1059
Died: 1086

Traits:
Later married Wladyslaw Piast, no other info.

Parents and siblings:
As per Bretislav Premyslide


Ludmila Premyslide

Title: courtier in Prague (child, should be undergoing ecclesiastical education)
Born: 1060
Died:

Traits:
Later became a nun.

Parents and siblings:
As per Bretislav Premyslide


Boleslav Premyslide

Title: courtier in Prague (child, should be undergoing court education)
Born: 1061
Died: 1091

Traits:
No info, died childless and probably never married.

Parents and siblings:
As per Bretislav Premyslide


Borivoj (II) Premyslide

Title: courtier in Prague (child)
Born: 1064
Died: 1124

Traits:
Weak administrator and warrior, lost the throne to a cousin, but good diplomatic skills and intrigue because he managed to return to the throne twice.

Parents:
Father: Vratislav II.
Mother: Svatava Piast

Other ancestors from paternal side:
As per Vratislav II

Other ancestors from maternal side:
As per Piast family

Siblings:
Bretislav, Judita, Ludmila, Boleslav; Vladislav


Vladislav (I) Premyslide [missing in CK 1.01]

Title: courtier in Prague (child)
Born: 1065
Died: 1125

Traits:
Good administrator

Parents and siblings:
As per Borivoj Premyslide


Oldrich Premyslide [missing in CK 1.01]

Title: courtier in Ostrava (child, should be undergoing court education) Bohemian culture
Born: 1060
Died: 1113

Traits:
Weak. He was the rightful successor to Bretislav II in 1100, but was unable to assert his rightful claim.

Parents:
Father: Konrad Premyslide
Mother: Wirpirk ?

Other ancestors from paternal side:
As per Vratislav II

Other ancestors from maternal side:
NA

Siblings:
None


4. Default names

See here

Sources:

I compiled the above from the following:

www.genealogie-mittelalter.de in German
www.genealogy.euweb.cz in English
www.libri.cz in Czech
and an authoritative XXII-volume book (in Czech): Great History of Czech Crown Lands, Volume I, published by a Czech publisher Paseka in 1999.
 
good work ...

I've finished correction within gamefiles, everything is working...
but in light of your excellent post, I'll made following changes
dynasty id = 707 changed name to Premyslide (former Przemysl)

Opava (substitute for Olomouc) , bishopric - Jan of Prague (not present, will be created, historical monk from Prague Benedictine monastery), culture change to bohemia
Ostrava (substitute for Znojmo), county - Oto Premyslide (brother of Vratislav), no culture change (german)
Hradec Kralove (substitute for Brno), county - Konrad Premyslide (brother of Vratislav), culture change to bohemia, claim for count od Moravia

For other Premyslides I'll update attributes and traits, and change spelling of their names. Some birth and death dates will be probably different (slightly ;) )
Updated 1066 scenario will be avalaible ASAP (at latest 1200 GMT+1 today :) )
 
Arkady said:
good work ...

I've finished correction within gamefiles, everything is working...
but in light of your excellent post, I'll made following changes
dynasty id = 707 changed name to Premyslide (former Przemysl)

Opava (substitute for Olomouc) , bishopric - Jan of Prague (not present, will be created, historical monk from Prague Benedictine monastery), culture change to bohemia
Ostrava (substitute for Znojmo), county - Oto Premyslide (brother of Vratislav), no culture change (german)
Hradec Kralove (substitute for Brno), county - Konrad Premyslide (brother of Vratislav), culture change to bohemia, claim for count od Moravia

For other Premyslides I'll update attributes and traits, and change spelling of their names. Some birth and death dates will be probably different (slightly ;) )
Updated 1066 scenario will be avalaible ASAP (at latest 1200 GMT+1 today :) )
Arkady,

I am very happy to see you here, and I hope that you and I and all other interested players will be able to fix Bohemian setup for the three scenarios.

I have a limited experience in improving EUII through the EEP and AGCEEP mods, so let me have just one organizational suggestion. I think we should post all proposed changes here (like I tried to do in my post), so that changes can be discussed in a wider forum - especially those that may have broader, cross-border implications - and, most importantly, so that Kurtbrian and other mods and betas can copy the proposed changes in their "masterfiles." They gather changes regarding many countries, and I presume that a copy-and-paste from the screen is easier than extracting the modified portions from actual files. That is how we have worked in EEP and AGCEEP, but the authority to decide on this issue is Kurtbrian, of course.

For the time being (I am in work now ;)), I have just some comments:

First, I think that if HK stands for Brno, Ostrava cannot stand for Znojmo (that is located South-West of Brno). If HK stands for Brno, Ostrava should stand for county of Olomouc. BTW, Oto Premyslide was count of Olomouc.

Second, why do you think that Ostrava (whether standing for Znojmo or county of Olomouc) should have German culture in 1066? My understanding is that there should be no Germans in XI century Bohemia - except for some clerics, but decidedly no German settlers yet. BTW, I am going to raise other cultural issues regarding German-Slavic cultural border in a separate thread later.

Third, I think that we should inquire about the rationale for having this mysterious German county of Morava (spelled in Czech) in left-bank Lower Austria to figure out what it stands for and decide what we should do about it.

Creating a claim on it, as you suggested, is one possibility, the other one would be to make it Austrian, i.e. put it out of the list of province required to create the kingdom of Bohemia (to which it never really belonged).

Forth, no problem with having slightly different dates. The only dates that matter, I believe, relate to Bretislav I's grandchildren because their birthdates decide whether they are in the game or not. The "dubious" ones are:

1. Vladislav, son of Vratislav - I have seen birthdates between 1065 and 1067 - I think he should be in because his line finally prevailed.
2. Oldrich and Lupold, sons of Konrad - no birthdates - I think we should include Oldrich because my sources say he was the eldest Premyslide in 1100, i.e. he must have been older than Borivoj II, born in 1064. I have no idea for Lupold, but he was not important so I left him out.
3. Svatopluk, son of Oto - no birthdate - but I was tempted to include him since he became duke in 1107, but I really do not know if he was born before 1066. Having him would provide further link with the Arpads because his mother was Euphemia, daughter of Bela I, king of Hungary. A source says Oto married Euphemia around 1066, so this is quite a limit situation. What do you think?

V.A.
 
Arkady said:
Opava (substitute for Olomouc) , bishopric - Jan of Prague (not present, will be created, historical monk from Prague Benedictine monastery)
One more thing, there was a sort of convention, more than a year ago, that all names should be localised as much as possible. Consequently, I propose to replace "of Prague" with nicer "z Prahy."

V.A.
 
Vaclav Adam said:
One more thing, there was a sort of convention, more than a year ago, that all names should be localised as much as possible. Consequently, I propose to replace "of Prague" with nicer "z Prahy."

V.A.
yep, you're right

there is in dynasties.txt "of Praha" etc.
i'll change this for "z Prahy", "z Liberce" etc.

small problem with dynasty id = 707 (former Przemysl) , you adviced Premyslide ... I believe that better is Premyslid beacause they use it for ladies too.
 
Vaclav Adam said:
Arkady,
I have a limited experience in improving EUII through the EEP and AGCEEP mods, so let me have just one organizational suggestion. I think we should post all proposed changes here (like I tried to do in my post), so that changes can be discussed in a wider forum - especially those that may have broader, cross-border implications - and, most importantly, so that Kurtbrian and other mods and betas can copy the proposed changes in their "masterfiles." They gather changes regarding many countries, and I presume that a copy-and-paste from the screen is easier than extracting the modified portions from actual files. That is how we have worked in EEP and AGCEEP, but the authority to decide on this issue is Kurtbrian, of course.
ok
i'll create new thread in modding section where we can discuss all changes
changes for Bohemia - Scenario 1066
Vaclav Adam said:
For the time being (I am in work now ;)), I have just some comments:

First, I think that if HK stands for Brno, Ostrava cannot stand for Znojmo (that is located South-West of Brno). If HK stands for Brno, Ostrava should stand for county of Olomouc. BTW, Oto Premyslide was count of Olomouc.
dilema :)
check this map
mapauvod.jpg


In game we have three provinces, Konrad and Oto should have one each as vassals of Vratislav, third should be bishopric
I think that province Morava should remain as Austria demesne.
so, HK stands for Brno (and maybe Znojmo) , Konrad will be ruler...

question is, what other two provinces
bishopric of Olomouc will be in Opava or Ostrava...?
from picture above and from positions of in-game provinces i I vote for Ostrava and Opava should be county ?
Vaclav Adam said:
Second, why do you think that Ostrava (whether standing for Znojmo or county of Olomouc) should have German culture in 1066? My understanding is that there should be no Germans in XI century Bohemia - except for some clerics, but decidedly no German settlers yet. BTW, I am going to raise other cultural issues regarding German-Slavic cultural border in a separate thread later.
at first my idea was that monk orders are german culture influents, so bishopric should have german culture

now I changed all pprovinces to bohemian culture
Vaclav Adam said:
Third, I think that we should inquire about the rationale for having this mysterious German county of Morava (spelled in Czech) in left-bank Lower Austria to figure out what it stands for and decide what we should do about it.

Creating a claim on it, as you suggested, is one possibility, the other one would be to make it Austrian, i.e. put it out of the list of province required to create the kingdom of Bohemia (to which it never really belonged).
I put Morava as claim for Konrad
Vratislav can claim title King of Bohemia as he already has 8 of 9 provinces and there is no need to annex Morava
Vaclav Adam said:
Forth, no problem with having slightly different dates. The only dates that matter, I believe, relate to Bretislav I's grandchildren because their birthdates decide whether they are in the game or not. The "dubious" ones are:

1. Vladislav, son of Vratislav - I have seen birthdates between 1065 and 1067 - I think he should be in because his line finally prevailed.
2. Oldrich and Lupold, sons of Konrad - no birthdates - I think we should include Oldrich because my sources say he was the eldest Premyslide in 1100, i.e. he must have been older than Borivoj II, born in 1064. I have no idea for Lupold, but he was not important so I left him out.
3. Svatopluk, son of Oto - no birthdate - but I was tempted to include him since he became duke in 1107, but I really do not know if he was born before 1066. Having him would provide further link with the Arpads because his mother was Euphemia, daughter of Bela I, king of Hungary. A source says Oto married Euphemia around 1066, so this is quite a limit situation. What do you think?
V.A.
1. Vladislav
...added, birth date 1065
2. Oldrich
...added, birth date 1060
Lupold
...omitted, but Wirpirk of Tenglin (wife of Konrad) added, new childrens will raise
3. Svatopluk
...not added, nor Euphemia...but strange thing happened, when I tested my changes , when I checked him around august 1066, he has wife with name...Eufemia :) (but no connection to Bela)
anyway I should let Oto single

...Svatobor, son of Spytihnev II added, born 1055, his mother Ida added too but I set death date for her before 1066
 
Arkady said:
yep, you're right

there is in dynasties.txt "of Praha" etc.
i'll change this for "z Prahy", "z Liberce" etc.

small problem with dynasty id = 707 (former Przemysl) , you adviced Premyslide ... I believe that better is Premyslid beacause they use it for ladies too.
I thought that Premyslide is the correct English (and thus gender-independent)version (see here).

I googled Premyslid, and it seems to be right as well (see here).

A native speaker should decide which form is better; I do not have any preference.
 
Arkady said:
ok
dilema :)
check this map
mapauvod.jpg


In game we have three provinces, Konrad and Oto should have one each as vassals of Vratislav, third should be bishopric.

...
I think that province Morava should remain as Austria demesne.
so, HK stands for Brno (and maybe Znojmo) , Konrad will be ruler...

question is, what other two provinces
bishopric of Olomouc will be in Opava or Ostrava...?
from picture above and from positions of in-game provinces i I vote for Ostrava and Opava should be county?
First, I do not know if having one bishopric is a dogme. There is no bishopric in the other two scenarios. As I said earlier, Moravian Premyslides could have more provinces, essentially because there were three lines: Olomouc, Brno and Znojmo - which we can render only if we have three secular provinces. Another argument for this is that the Church's position was very weak in 1066; the country was still half pagan. And another one is that the Moravian Premyslides should be a challenge for their Bohemian cousins, as they were in real life.

Second, if we (have to) keep a bishopric, I agree that it should be either Opava or Ostrava. Both seem fine (historically, the bishopric of Olomouc covered all Moravia; the diocese of Ostrava was introduced only in 1990's, iirc). The reason why I would vote for moving Olomouc county to Ostrava rather than Opava is that if someone wants to play Oto Premyslide, count of Olomouc, common border with Hungary and Austria may improve the gameplay - and it would be highly historical because he married a Hungarian princess. But this is not really an issue, only a question of gameplay.

I put Morava as claim for Konrad
Vratislav can claim title King of Bohemia as he already has 8 of 9 provinces and there is no need to annex Morava
If later in the game, someone wanted to usurp the Bohemian royal title, Morava would count against the number of provinces he has to control - and this wouldn't be right.

We agree that CK Morava never belonged to Bohemia or Moravia (in CK timeline), so why should Konrad have a claim on it?

On the other hand, we should discuss how we could represent the tribute that Polish king had to pay for Silesia that it had (re)conquered only in 1055, and that, if unpaid, would give the duke of Bohemia a claim for Silesia. We should see that with our Polish friends first.

V.A.
 
Vaclav Adam said:
I thought that Premyslide is the correct English (and thus gender-independent)version (see here).

I googled Premyslid, and it seems to be right as well (see here).

A native speaker should decide which form is better; I do not have any preference.

I've never seen it spelled any other way besides "Premyslid" in English texts. I've certainly never seen it spelled "Premyslide" before...