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Becoming a king, vassals still listed vassals of old title

I have met this already twice:

I start game as duke (tried with Apulia and Belgrade) and then later on create a king title for me (Naples and Serbia respectively). My vassals are still listed as vassals of my duke title in the save file and if I give my old duke title to my vassal, all my count vassals become vassals of him. For example, if I give duke of Belgrade title to my count vassal, all my other count vassals I gathered while duke of Belgrade become vassals of the vassal I make duke. Also I noted, while playing Naples, when I gave my old title of duke of Apulia to my vassal, I started getting his messages on the log, but my messages of Naples weren't visible in the log. Also I suppose this could cause CTDs if you don't give your old duke title to someone.

EDIT: Also the prestige cost of grabbing titles multiplies by five after I have made myself a king (or a duke from a count). Though this is fixed by save-load.

EDIT2: Also the savegame lists me (Serbia) on the tier duchy and on the old spot of Belgrade (in order).

EDIT3: Er, actually as I checked further, Serbia (SERB-tag) is listed there twice, first on the old spot of Belgrade, as a duchy (but now with DSER tag, but SERB-tag) and later on among the kingdoms as kingdom.

EDIT4: And my claims were listed on Belgrade's spot, not Serbia's spot (on the duchy tier).

This is from a savegame I made on the day I became king of Serbia, so some of it could fix automatically if I unpause the game?
 
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Byakhiam said:
My vassals are still listed as vassals of my duke title in the save file and if I give my old duke title to my vassal, all my count vassals become vassals of him. For example, if I give duke of Belgrade title to my count vassal, all my other count vassals I gathered while duke of Belgrade become vassals of the vassal I make duke.
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Try saying that outloud fast some times, I'd say that's excessive use of the word vassal:)

Seriously, this sounds like a valid problem but I haven't tried this myself. Could somebody else confirm?
 
Grosshaus said:
Try saying that outloud fast some times, I'd say that's excessive use of the word vassal:)

Seriously, this sounds like a valid problem but I haven't tried this myself. Could somebody else confirm?
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Well, I guess it could be easily tried with Bohemia, which can become king at start of 1066 and has vassals at start.

Though now seems that I can't do much testing with my saved game, as both the save of Belgrade and Serbia, which I made on same day, with Belgrade as backup, before turning to kingdom, give me a CTD after 1 day passes. :(
 
Might as well let my first post be a constructive one.

I belive I have seen the same thing happen, although in a different form.
When playing Denmark, the swedes got a sound beating. After a few years i decided that i also wanted to be king of Sweden. Then when i had to change to a new king, the game went CTD.
It took me some time to figure out, that it might be my to titles. I gave one of my one prov. vassals the title king of Sweden, and then i could go on playing.
Unfortounately the one prov. vassal got all those vassals that i got when i beat the king of Sweden.
They didn't get any provinces that i had conquered in earlier wars against Sweden or anything else in Sweden. They got 2-3 in sweden, Zeeland, a polish (maybe russian), and a french.
So when i saw this thread, I thought it might be something similar.
 
Ok, let's document this:

I started the game as the Duke of Bavaria and I claimed the Bohemian throne a few years ago:

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My son is 17, so I decided to give up my title of Duke of Bavaria to him after making him Count of ****Bayern:

d1.jpg


resulting in him having all the counts I had as a Duke going to him:

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While as king, I am left with just my dukes under me:

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I think this is perhaps the best demonstration of this particular problem I can think of.

That being said, I don't think I would mind having the option of giving my dukes some of my loyal counts as vassals to go with their new titles as opposed to having to say revoke my loyal counts titles and give the land outright to my new duchies.

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Okies, so now we know what is happening. But do we want to fix it? I'd really like to have an option to switch allegiance of a count to a duke of mine if I feel like it. Although this isn't the way that's best handled it at least is possible at some situations.
 
Grosshaus said:
Okies, so now we know what is happening. But do we want to fix it? I'd really like to have an option to switch allegiance of a count to a duke of mine if I feel like it. Although this isn't the way that's best handled it at least is possible at some situations.
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Well it would be smarter if there would be a mechanic to transfer count vassals from your direct vassallage to the vassallage of one of your duke vassals. Also I really do believe that as long as it records the counts as vassals of your old duke title and not your new title as king, it can cause problems in the form of crashes or weird performance. Also if this stays at it is now, it would be good if players were informed about this, so they wouldn't face same situation as I did in my game of Apulia-turned-Naples. As I had half a dozen duke titles and first gave duke of Apulia away to a count vassal, I had only duke of Apulia as vassal thereafter, making me unable to give my other duke titles to my vassals, unless I made new vassals.
 
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