25) Fixed in 1.02: 1066 start date

[Roberto]

Historical Corrections in future patches?

I'm really not sure whether this belongs in the bugs forum. The argument that it does is that the issues below are errors which everyone lookign for detail of real history would want to see corrected in a patch, rather than as part of a wider improvement project (CIP?).

Can I emphasise at the start that this is a great game, and I'm trying to make it even better.

As others have said before, the 1066 scenario starts on 1 January 1066 with William the Conqueror on the throne of England. This is several months too early. I can see that if the game started with Edward the Confessor on the throne (or rather on his deathbed) it could not then hard-code the events of 1066; perhaps the answer is to begin on Christmas Day 1066, when William was crowned, or on 1 January 1067.

More seriously, the historical characters in William's court include Harald Haralda (?sp) whom King Harold defeated at the Battle of Stamford Bridge, and King (well, not King but it's still him) Harold himself. In my first game today, I'm pretty sure I found Edward the Confessor there too (right age and name, but no "Confessor" tag). I hate to criticise the research that must have gone into adding these, but if we are starting after William's conquest, surely they should not be there? Could they be replaced with some Norman counts with similar characteristics?

The Third Crusade scenario begins in 1187, the year Saladin re-took Jerusalem - except that the Kingdom of Jerusalem is still based in Jerusalem when the game starts at the start of the year, and even if war with Saladin's armies could be hard-coded, the capture of Jerusalem could not. Again, should the scenario start at the beginning of 1188, with Saladin in Jerusalem and the Kingdon screaming for help from Europe?

An analogy which springs to mind is the scenario for Gary Grigsby's "Pacific War" which started on the afternoon of 7 December 1941, taking in the historical results of that morning's attack.

Do people agree this is worth sorting out as part of the patch process?

 

[Demetrios]

The 1066 problem is well-known and is being worked upon.

The 1187 situation for Jerusalem is purposely set up that way so you can try to save the Kingdom from Saladin. Good luck trying, though...

 

[State Machine]

There is a simple work-around for the 1066 start date. Change this in ..\scenarios\1066_scenario.eug (it's at the end of the file):

globaldata = { 
    startdate = { 
        year = 1066
        month = january
        day = 1
    }

to

globaldata = { 
    startdate = { 
        year = 1066
        month = december
        day = 25
    }

 

[Bodders]

Whilst that change to the scenario file solves the English problem, I wouldn't recommend it - the Swedish starting king also historically died in 1066.

What that means is that if you make the change then Sweden starts off with a dead ruler as king and all the weirdness that can cause!

 

[SixtusIV]

1337 Undying Count

I've also observed a few historical problems in the scenarios. My weirdest encounter yet was with the 307 year old Count of Limousin in the 1337 HYW scenario.

I have a copy of Debretts Extinct and Dormant Peerages if anyone needs character suggestions for England.

 

[FinnN]

If nothing can be done about the 1066 date I certainly think that most of the Saxons and Scandinavians need clearing out of the Norman court, with (maybe) one or collaborators left in.

 

[unmerged(27835)]

If nothing can be done about the 1066 date I certainly think that most of the Saxons and Scandinavians need clearing out of the Norman court, with (maybe) one or collaborators left in.

Didn't you know that Whilelm the Bastard was a scandinavian himself?

His ancestor was Gange-Rolv Ragnvaldsson of Normandy, a Norwegian viking from the Møre district (around NW in the Trøndelag county in CK). He was called Rollo in Normandy and founded it. His direct ancestor is, as CK will tell you, Wilhelm the Conqueror, so either way, scandinavians ruled England

 

[FinnN]

Yes indeed, and the UK suffers under the iron grip of the German Saxe-Coburg-Gothas - one wonders why a later Wilhelm bothered?

 

[FinnN]

I've got no idea if this is the place to post this, but it seems to be the relevant thread.

In the 1066 scenario Deheubarth in South Wales seems to be ruled by some sort of Irish interloper (as far as I can tell from Google Diarmait {of} Laigin seems to have been King of Leinster at the time).

The correct King of Deheubarth (Duke in CK) should be Maredudd ab Owain. His father would be Owain ab Edwin and mother was

Next door in Gwent/Glamorgan we have another Irishman and a Norman. These areas should be ruled by Cadwgan ap Meurig.

Here's some links as backup:

http://www.encyclopedia4u.com/l/list-of-rulers-of-wales.html
http://www.ku.edu/carrie/texts/carrie_books/nelson/index.html

 

[Solmyr]

In 1066, the Duke of Catalonia (historically the count of Barcelona) should be either independent or, perhaps, a vassal of the French king. Barcelona was in no way a vassal of Aragon; even after the two were united, France claimed overlordship of Catalonia until the second half of 13th century.

 

[Grosshaus]

I've got no idea if this is the place to post this, but it seems to be the relevant thread.

Actually it wasn't, the thread title was just obscure (which is why it's changed). At least for now scenario changes like your's and Solmyr's should be taken somewhere to the scenarios and modification subforum instead.

 

[unmerged(6777)]

There is a simple work-around for the 1066 start date. Change this in ..\scenarios\1066_scenario.eug (it's at the end of the file):

globaldata = { 
    startdate = { 
        year = 1066
        month = january
        day = 1
    }

to

globaldata = { 
    startdate = { 
        year = 1066
        month = december
        day = 25
    }

Er...

NO DON'T!

There are a bunch of other modifications that need to be made to the scenario files before that would work (trust me ). For an example, make that change and then see how long it takes for someone to inherit the Duchy of Brittany.

 

[State Machine]

Er...

NO DON'T!

There are a bunch of other modifications that need to be made to the scenario files before that would work (trust me ). For an example, make that change and then see how long it takes for someone to inherit the Duchy of Brittany.

Good thing I didn't try it then...

Oops... Anyway, time to close this thread, I think.