3# Aussie Game 1.3a flexible weekly sessions.

[mike8472]

T clarify your GDE major. Soviet GDE is ment to got to 0.7 when the GPW events fires, which we know it didnt but here is the event for it. You are supposed to be on 0.7 until 1944.

Theres events are both for HUMAN only players and are not random.


event = { # first gde jump event
id = 2655
random = no
country = SOV

trigger = {
ai = no # human only
under_attack = SOV # any attack on USSR
NOT = { event = 2656 }
NOT = { event = 2657 }
NOT = { event = 2658 }
NOT = { event = 2659 }
random = 10
}


name = "fbarb_event8_name"
desc = "fbarb_event8_desc"

picture = "great_patriotic_war"
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1936 }
offset = 10 # Check for trigger conditions every 10 days
deathdate = { day = 30 month = april year = 1940 }

action_a = {
name = "OK"
command = { type = ground_def_eff value = 0.50 } Rise to 0.7#


Here is the event to make your forces equal to mine

event = {
id = 2666 # extra GDE rise event that occurs to make the russian forces equal to others
random = no
country = SOV
style = 0

picture = "soviet_strategic_victory"


trigger = {
ai = no
}

date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1944 }

name = "USSR_GEAR_1"
desc = "USSR_GEAR_2"
action_a = {
name = "OK"
command = { type = ground_def_eff value = 0.10 } # 0.1 rise
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2655 } # 1., 2., 3., 4., 5. jump event
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2656 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2657 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2658 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2659 }
}
}

 

[mike8472]

Hahaha Lag.....well thats a good one. Allies do something good and its lag. Axis do something good and its brilliant .

No i missed alot of my brillent battles as well. I was unable to do alot of things last night. You got off lightly, had i not had so much lage Russia by itself would have lost 50 divisions. Also did alot of research last night an it is a big problem for iinet. The whole network is affected even there super fast connections. Problem wont be fixed until 21/4 so a week. Im looking into swapping to cable.

Umm last I saw Moscow and Lennigrad were under Russiand control and have been since 1941. Is there something I dont know here? Or is this one of those Hahaha things know when else knows about?.

As can been seen by the piture, the rest of russia is ours. It is only a matter of time before you lose it all. Send up your jets, i dont mind fighting them when all mine got +50% experience bonbuse and plus 14-16% from skill from commander. Plus come summer all mine will be improved Jets.

Unfortunately the Allied plan of cutting of German troops in the Causcus has been ruined by the liberation of Iraq...with over 60 divisions redeploying to Washington and London.?.

On what dream planet are you. Russia needs more allied forces to defend itself. You alread have 120 UK divisions....well less then 100 now as i killed a number of them too. How many more you need to defend yourself, pathetic we need a new russian player.

Keep it up guys it slows his upgrades considerabley..?.

Thats about all it does. Keep it up it UK dont build jets and forces which actauly hurt my forces or which will win you the war. You bombed me as good as you ever will and still i advanced in huge chunks of russia and destroyed 50 divisions. This plan will cost you the war.

Getting a bit ahead of ourselves aint we? Japs have been overrun in the Pacific with Indonesia all controlled by US forces and knocking on the doorstep of Tokyo. .

Japs dont win the war the Germans do and that is what is happening right now. A fact.

I will put this into perspective as well...Gibralter, Suez and the Med were closed from 1940 after 3 human players Nationlist Spain, Italy and Germany all Allied in 1936 ganged banged the UK. Secondly due to a bug Russian GDE was held at .5 for the first 12 months of the war with Germany(no compensation was given. Thirdly Russia GDE has been held at .7 for the last 2 years which basically means they cant hold any territory. So to help the rest of you have a good game you must look at game balancing issues which I have hi lited above..

So your blaming mistakes by the UK back in 1940 now. 4 years ago, you dont think you could have done better by now, the allies have turned it around why cant you. The Axis never gang banged the UK at. The UK was in a strong position until he went agressive invading spain and norway, where he lost lots of forces mainly to Italy and Spain. Due to these loses cost him the med.

Even with this the Axis have over 150 divisions in the Ethiopia and Iraq as well as defending beaches in the med. There would be no more then this if the med was still open. The same forces would still be russia as what is there now. Your GDE was rasied for you as soon as we found out it was bugged in early 42, wasnt even 12 month more like 9. Also you havdnt lost so much ground then or forces, you airforce was in control in 1942.

What has happened since then????? You have 0.7 GDE but you have been defeated worse then when you were on 0.5 GDE. You were doing alot better at 0.5 i think we should move you back there as you played better then.

Since your GDE has gone fom 0.5 to 0.7 and in the two years following you have lost everything from over the first river line which you pushes us back to. You have lost most of this ground now in 43 when your at 0.7.

Its simple its superior quality german/axis troops in equal numbers to you supported by a very strong luftwaffe which reorangised it self in 42 and upgraded after you had beaten it up. What happened why didty your airforce contiue to rule the skies and prevent this disaster. Simple you were out teched for awhile but you didnt even upgrade your airfroce when you could.

It took germany 1 full year to upgrade all its army and airforce to 43 standard. And its paid huge dividens. To ask for your GDE to be raised to 0.8 becuase your doing badly is wrong. And to say its unbalanced is wrong based on 1 games where we got this far. So in future if Germany is doing badly in 41 or 42 we should raise there GDE to 0.9 or 1.0 Thats absurd you should punish one sides success with edits. You shoud only get what your ment to get, if its bugged we edit.

Where was Japans compensation for -75% on all its chinese forces which was well over 100 divisions for over 2 years. At lest you were only 30% behind me. Japan was at a worse disadvantage then you.

Mike if you think that German forces are so dominate and can do anything they like in fairness you should allow the Russian GDE to be raised to .8 like eveyone else. To have an extra .2 GDE agaisnt the Russians for the first year of the war is unfair and some compensation should be given. You wouldnt do it before because you were gutless and thought I would beat you. You should do it now as you are in such a dominating position.

I told you many times during the game that Germany would be strongest in 43. This is why I did limited offensives in 41 and 42 if you were wondering why i didnt blitz you. My long term plans where for a massive 43 offensive when i knew i would have a technoligcal and quality advantage over you. It required me getting Jets which is random but it happened later then i thought but still in time to be a great advanatge. Before 43 i was only interested in gaining land cheaply not getting into a sluge fest with you. I would only fight big battles where i chose too. This plan worked great although i was worreid when you pushed us back to the river line. After you did this though the whole German army and airforce was upgrading or in the process.

Hence why you wnt from being able counter us like in 42 when you drove us back to the river line. We didnt want to move back you forces us, even on 0.7. The difference since then has been the quality of German forces aginast your very outdated forces. Ive only seen very small amounts of 43 troops. Its now 1944 and you still have 39/41 infantry as your main army. Where nearly every division fighting you has been 1943. Me and munster always plan for italy to do its infantry tech from day 1 right through the game. So wether Italy allies in 1936 or 1939 there still doing the infantry techs and passing it on to Germany.

Anyway you have been soundly beaten in the USSR. Not my massive teched up land forces but by the resurrected Luftwaffe which was remoudled after you beat it 1942. What happend, you didnt match it from that point on. Thats what has lead you to your current position. Nothing else.

 

[Majorball]

I told you many times during the game that Germany would be strongest in 43. This is why I did limited offensives in 41 and 42 if you were wondering why i didnt blitz you. My long term plans where for a massive 43 offensive when i knew i would have a technoligcal and quality advantage over you. It required me getting Jets which is random but it happened later then i thought but still in time to be a great advanatge. Before 43 i was only interested in gaining land cheaply not getting into a sluge fest with you. I would only fight big battles where i chose too. This plan worked great although i was worreid when you pushed us back to the river line. After you did this though the whole German army and airforce was upgrading or in the process.

Hence why you wnt from being able counter us like in 42 when you drove us back to the river line. We didnt want to move back you forces us, even on 0.7. The difference since then has been the quality of German forces aginast your very outdated forces. Ive only seen very small amounts of 43 troops. Its now 1944 and you still have 39/41 infantry as your main army. Where nearly every division fighting you has been 1943. Me and munster always plan for italy to do its infantry tech from day 1 right through the game. So wether Italy allies in 1936 or 1939 there still doing the infantry techs and passing it on to Germany.

Anyway you have been soundly beaten in the USSR. Not my massive teched up land forces but by the resurrected Luftwaffe which was remoudled after you beat it 1942. What happend, you didnt match it from that point on. Thats what has lead you to your current position. Nothing else.

You know nothing of the what the Russians can do. Russia needs all my IC in supplies and reinforcements just to survive in 1941 and 1942. Had you attacked in 1942 instead of sitting out the summer the game would be over already. If I had any spare IC of course I would use it to upgrade aircraft and other units. The only decent battle we had all game was a Stalingrad...the rest have been all one sided your way. Even at Stalingrad 60 divisions foritified in a city was no match for your attack. I would rather the extra 100 Axis divsions in Russia be used on the beaches in the Med but they aint. All the human controlled minors have 1943 infantry which is far superior to anything the Rusians have.
No one could forsee what happened to the UK in 1940 so Russian planning may have been different.

1/Russia shouldnt move towards a drafted army(makes upgrade costs to high)

2/GDE needs to be corrected so any future player doesnt suffer huge penalties for an extended period.

3/Dont build mechanised unts as they get killed by aircraft quicker then normal infantry.

4/Dont waste your time building AA brigades as they dont help at all.

5/Build a lot more modern infantry as 36 and 39 infantry dont have any guts and get destroyed too easily by aircraft(can be upgraded cheaper with correct slider moves)

6/Nothing Russia player can do when being atatcked from Germany, Nationalist Spain, Italy and Japan(although I started that one trying to take pressure off Asia but expected troop committments from my Allies never arrived.)
The minors dont provide low quality units but good modern high quality units the same as Germany.

The game would have been over in 1943 had the UK not sent forces to Russia. Once the entire UK Navy was destroyed and they also had no aircraft there was no other place they could be used. Without them Lennigrad would have falled in 1941.

My congratulations to the Axis but I think we have been fighting this one sided game from 1940 for too long. The Allies will never be able to land in France and will take 2 years to reopen the Med to Allied ships. The game was decided in 1940 wether by a contribution of Hurri Kurri committed by the UK player and Axis stratagy. The only tactic I have see employed on the East front is the use of aircraft and this has been permitted to happen as there is no pressure being applied anywhere else except a few battles in Persia against Italy and Spain.

Now for 3 years of game time I have had the Sh*t kicked out of me and only inaction from my so called Allies. Unless you have some great plan up your sleave I am ready to concede this game as I think I have been a good sport and let it go long enough. Unless you guys have some secret weapon you would like to unleash please let me know but mighties rockets wont win it and it will take another 2 years to put nucs on them by which time I will be in the Mines in Siberia working for Adolf!!

My only advice to the Allied players is that you must build counters to what your enemy is doing. Waiting till they get 70-80 subs before building modern destroyers is like handing them the oceans. Building interceptors when you enemy builds fighters is also a suicidal move.

Please dont make me fight on...If you have any realistic chance of invading Europe in 1944 I would like to know about it.

 

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The USSR still had a chance in 1943 but only if the allies did a landing but instead all they did was attack Persia and build some rockets. Which is next to useless. You are never going to win by bombing IC or attacking land we axis can easily give up without a fight. You must draw at least 40-50 divisions of Russian by landing in France in force. That is the only option and unless the allies can do that as soon as summer starts in 44 major might as well cede defeat. Spain can survive on 15 IC cos thats enough to stay positive in supplies and even with TC penalties and no further upgrading Germany has both the technological edge and manpower pool to wipe out Russia in another 6 months. Stalin will lose another 40 IC this summer when axis take lightly defended Ural Industrial centers.

The time to act is now allies no more time wasting rockets and sideshows.

 

[Majorball]

The USSR still had a chance in 1943 but only if the allies did a landing but instead all they did was attack Persia and build some rockets. Which is next to useless. You are never going to win by bombing IC or attacking land we axis can easily give up without a fight. You must draw at least 40-50 divisions of Russian by landing in France in force. That is the only option and unless the allies can do that as soon as summer starts in 44 major might as well cede defeat. Spain can survive on 15 IC cos thats enough to stay positive in supplies and even with TC penalties and no further upgrading Germany has both the technological edge and manpower pool to wipe out Russia in another 6 months. Stalin will lose another 40 IC this summer when axis take lightly defended Ural Industrial centers.

The time to act is now allies no more time wasting rockets and sideshows.

Game is over BB...Except it will take Germany at least 18 months to take the required objectives but why play it out when they have that much of an advantage anyway. I cant hold a normal frontline as when I am forced to retreat I lose 7-8 divisions before they reach the next province to aircraft. I challenge anyone to play under these circumstances. There is nothing the Russians can do about it now. Perhaps upgrade their aircraft at the expense of other upgrades. The Germans have rockets fighters 2 years before the Russians can even tech them. Its not really USA fault as they have been filling holes left over from the UK in 1940. You cant expect them to concede areas like Persia and India. You cant say that is wrong tactics. So In my oponion its a waste fo time playing this game any further. Everyone has learnt heaps from it. The Urals are not undefended I have 60 divisions sitting in a logistics blob outside of aircraft range as this is the only thing I can do. Hardly realistic or a recreation of a real war.
My vote is to finish this game conceded to the Axis unless my 2 Allies in UK & USA have some plan they havnt told me about.

 

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Game is over BB...Except it will take Germany at least 18 months to take the required objectives but why play it out when they have that much of an advantage anyway. I cant hold a normal frontline as when I am forced to retreat I lose 7-8 divisions before they reach the next province to aircraft. I challenge anyone to play under these circumstances. There is nothing the Russians can do about it now. Perhaps upgrade their aircraft at the expense of other upgrades. The Germans have rockets fighters 2 years before the Russians can even tech them. Its not really USA fault as they have been filling holes left over from the UK in 1940. You cant expect them to concede areas like Persia and India. You cant say that is wrong tactics. So In my oponion its a waste fo time playing this game any further. Everyone has learnt heaps from it. The Urals are not undefended I have 60 divisions sitting in a logistics blob outside of aircraft range as this is the only thing I can do. Hardly realistic or a recreation of a real war.
My vote is to finish this game conceded to the Axis unless my 2 Allies in UK & USA have some plan they havnt told me about.

Nuclear wpaons?

 

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Well it was a great game while it lasted. The USA only saw 2.5 years of war but it was pretty hectic stuff.

I think the game showed that US entry into the war should be left up to the US player and not tied to Axis actions. If US entry is restricted by event it gives the Axis players way to much freedom so they can overstreatch themselves without any regard to a US intervention. If you read the High Command AAR you can see what may eventuate from a US player who cant enter the war when needed. Also to be able to enter the US needs to invest quite a few dip slider moves which could be used on others sliders like the standing army. The US entered the war this game in June 41 to save the rapidly deteriorating situation that Allies found themselves in. India and Africa were in danger of falling to the Axis and American intervention was requested by the UK and USSR. The Japs also entered soon after if some what reluctently.

1942 was by far the darkest year for the Allies in this game.
The Axis still on the offensive in the Mid-East and Africa
Our SE Asia fleet was blockaded by the Japs in Darwin and under air attack from Timor.
Jap troops had trapped UK and Thai forces in Siam.
What was left of the RN was destroyed.
The Japs gained air and sea control of the Indian Ocean.
Jap troops attempted landings in Africa.
On sevral occasions the Allies were on the brink of defeat but with a combination of good tactics, some good fortune and good old fasioned guts we managed to fight back (even with the best of the British army away fighting in Russia )
At games end the Allies were on the offensive on all fronts. All of the Dutch East Indies except Borneo had been retaken. Jap fleets and air units had been forced out of the Indian Ocean. The Axis had been thrown out of Persia and Iraq.

Its been a tough fight back but very enjoyable

I must commend GUNSHIPS on a fine game in the Pacific/Asia. Not only was skill displayed on both sides but the game was fought in a great spirit.

For those who doubt the Allies ability to invade France in this game please allow me to point out that with its massive Heavy Carrier MBF,s = +100 on shore Bombardment. 18 Marine Divs 6 AB divs, the US would have no trouble landing in France across 3 provinces. The central province would be isolated from reinforcements allowing wave attacks of Marines to lodge a beach-head. With good timing the Bulk of the Mobile force of 60-70 mobile divs would be added to the amphib attack just before beach-head was won. It would take these forces an extra 2 days to land but once ashore they would be ready for operations within a day with full org due to the amphib mode of landing. Some troops would be landed by port too to shore up BH defenses. The mass of sea transports built up by the US in the game would have allowed for such an operation if, and this was the big IF, control of the skies was won. Reducing Axis airbases to 0 by rocket attack would help here but without control of the skies it would be much harder of course.

Its all been planned way back in 42


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[mike8472]

That landing strategy only works to stop forces supporting each other from other beaches. I dont use that stratgy of supporting from other beaches, i use forces from provinces inland to support defence. At any 1 time i could put 6 panzers into 1 beach anywhere from brest to kiel with in hours of the battle taking place. No amount of marines os going to breach those defences. You would need total air control which you would never get, perhaps only a stalemate in time in the air, but i dont think that would happen until 45. Add to this my bombers that would destroy your marines on the beaches with in hours. Your 3 or 6 stack of marines would be ahilated very quickly. If you dont believe talk to russia about german airpower.

Also by mid 1944 i was going to have a total of 28 panther tanks in france meaning i could have 9 panzers to any 1 beach with in hours of an invasion starting. With those forces nothing would breach them. Only way would be a nuke. But by the time that came around russia would be totaly defeated and then you will have another 400+ Axis divisions in western Europe and the war would be won for the axis.

The key factor of this game was the UK losing so many forces early which really ment the Allies were playing catch up the whole game. This enabled Germany to focus much of its airpower on Russia and blitz it from mid 42, with the final massvie offensive comming in 43.

The massive German 1943 offensive was planed from nearly the very start of the game. Ive played germany enough to now that germany can get a good tech lead and quality of troops and planes in 43 to over power the USSR which lead to its defeat.

Overall i think it was long term plans set out by the axis from 1936 and we stuck to it and implemented it the best. We always planned to be very strong in the air and made the necessary long term investments. This gave me an unstopable lead in air tech from which the allies have never really recovered. The problem the allies would have is even if you equaled me in air tech, my commanders and experience on all my planes is nearly maxed out. Meaning i get at minimum +50% bonus in all air combats over the allies. This is due to the massive air operations in the USSR, which gave Germany a whole airforce of vetran pilots.

To put it in perspective the allies never faced the onslught major recieved. There is nothing he could do to stop me. My air was that powerful. But it was not powerful through exploits or being overstrong game element. It was huge investments in tech, production and training of those units. As 1944 dawned the German airforce is nearly all Tubojet Stukas & Improved turbojet fighters. The Turbojet stuka are two levels higher then what russia has just been smashed with in 43. In the few bombings i did these planes just destroyed russian lvl IV tank in hours let alone infantry.

Im not sure what the USSR could have done to stop this plan, there tech cant keep up with Germanies air. The only option would have been massive air support in the west from the allies which never came. It was the lack of long term planing for a very strong airforce to win control of the skies from the UK and US which helped to doom russia. Had the UK built lots of fighters, major has proven the UK can easily have 40+ fighters by war with russia and probably 60 by 1942 or 43. With so many UK fighters alone it would have kept most of my airforce in the west. Add to this lots of USA airpower and it is very possible the war could have been alot different it yous had made some longer terms plans.

Was a great game, good to see the axis pummel the USSR for a change, even with the help of 120 UK divisions could not stop us.

Well played by all and im sure this game will prove very valuable for future games and how we should all plan a bit better and set long term plans. How important it is for the UK not to waste it forces.

P.S The Axis never quit this game only Russia has. I am more then prepared to play on as im in a wining position.

 

[Majorball]

I would like to play on to see this invasion of France....Russia still has 400 Divisions and is far from defeated. If the Allies can land in France in 1944 we can play on. My GDE goes up to .8 in May which should make them a bit tougher against aircraft only attacks. Lets finish 1 night of the week to continue this game seeing as Nolan has some good plans. Moscow and Lennigrad are still controlled by Russians and have been from 1941. I might add that none of the UK, USA or Russia has been beaten yet. I just like to know somehting is going to happen in 1944 rather then waste a a lot of time for nothing. If it continues as this same slow Allied build up Russia cannot last long when full strength tank divisions with 1943 AA brigades can be destroyed in hours.
Lets leave Friday as a day to finish this game...while we continue our doomsday game as well.
Unless of course my USA comrade is only talking hot air and cannot actually do what he is saying...

I LIKE TO SEE THAT!!

 

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funny long game (1year !), we can have a save for download ?

 

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Hey Primo, if your online over the weekend as we usualy bump into each other, ill transfer you the save if your interested in having a looky.