44) Bug: Vassals or no vassals???

[Mork]

Vassals or no vassals???

Screenie:

The shields are my former vassals. They stopped being my vassals, for no aparent reason, and I got no warning.'
I suspect it happened when my vassal, who was attacked by the Seljuks, made peace with those same Seljuks (see info ledger in screenie). The thing is, I took those lands, and made vassal states out of 'em, so shouldn't they still be my vassals?
(vs. 1.01, and no succession)

 

[Ancient Warrior]

I lost a vassal when my son inherited all my lands and I wasn't at war with anyone. I just happened to realize that the vassalship didn't carry over to the next generation, yet one of my vassals did. The vassal that did stay I had acquired a few years ago via a war with a Duke. The vassal that didn't carry over was one in which I offered vassalization a year or two before my death and it was accepted. Has anyone else had this problem when succedding?

 

[Cat Lord]

Also, be aware that some independences are triggered by event, and you would not always be notified, methinks (but there is no reason why, as the target = liege, could be applied first to trigger an informative event... Hooray, more thing for me to verified... ).

Cat

 

[Sikker]

Also, be aware that some independences are triggered by event, and you would not always be notified, methinks (but there is no reason why, as the target = liege, could be applied first to trigger an informative event... Hooray, more thing for me to verified... ).

Cat

This is certainly not the case here. It seems (as has been said somewhere else) that when giving out newly taken vassal provinces when fighting pagans
these vassal states will be lost upon taking the final pagan province. Somehow those provinces are STILL linked to their previous owner and when he is erradicated they all go independent.
Bug.

 

[Brownbeard]

This is certainly not the case here. It seems (as has been said somewhere else) that when giving out newly taken vassal provinces when fighting pagans
these vassal states will be lost upon taking the final pagan province. Somehow those provinces are STILL linked to their previous owner and when he is erradicated they all go independent.
Bug.

whenever a title(tag) is destroyed, all the tags that were vassals of that title at some point become independent.

 

[Cat Lord]

Not sure at all this is a bug in the end...

I will ask.

Cat

 

[Brownbeard]

i'm not quite sure if my first theory is correct

another experience: i was on a crusade vs. emirate of cyrenaica

after i destroyed them i granted the title of duke of cyrenaica to a random useless cousin(but what i did not notice was that the random useless cousin had spawned instead of the former emir o cyrenaica who had moved to my court)

in a defensive war i reclaimed only the counties since i figured i'd get less bb than claiming the duke title. as i did this the count of el amein became independent after the title duke of cyrenaica was destroyed. he wasn't a vassal of duke of ciyrenaica, he was mine and 100% loyal. i had no claim on his land, like he was never my vassal. but, sheik of el amein was vassal of emir of cyrenaica...

this issue make a crusade on seljuk turks(persia) a nightmare since it is hard to grant away land and be sure to keep it in your realm after you destroy them...

 

[Erufailon]

As King of Hungary the Count of Bács went independent without warning, Bács was a part of Hungary since the begining of the scenario, the count was always a vassal to the King, so if this was event fired, than this certanly is a bug, the liege should be notified, and IMHO he should get a claim on the land.

 

[Sikker]

It seems that this bug is still active. I just gave a county to a courtier (while still at war), and upon final conquest he went independent

 

[Solmyr]

I've seen it happen for the AI. The AI Russian princes were fighting the steppe pagans and conquering lands, then appointing counts in there. Shortly afterwards the new counts were independent.

 

[Sikker]

Well, at least it's a general thing then (and not just us humans that has this problem). However it is a MAJOR problem under 1.03 (and 1.03a) as you get all sorts of negative events when your demesne becomes too large. I took on a muslim empire of about 15 demesnes, and because I couldn't start handing out demesnes while conquering, my otherwise stable empire went into total rebellion (mainly because of about 5 firebrand preachers followed by the rebellion spreads).

I really do think this is a very serious bug that should have been handled in 1.03 - but not that it hasn't, a solution must be found fast ... because the game suffers big time.

 

[Brownbeard]

here's a way to avoid it: you can give away land to duchies that were not emirates and your other duchies. and the best way to get the land back later is to never let your daughters marry, favor them when giving away duchies(since you, or your heir will inherit them). in 1.02 you could give away like 20 counties to one, but in 1.03a give only as much as their demesne efficiency can handle.

 

[Erufailon]

Dukes give the land to counts if their demesne is too large. I always do that when at war. I give the land to one of my dukes, he makes a count, and somehow I have never seen one become independent this way.

 

[Erufailon]

I have just installed 1.03b, still being King of Hungary, then one of my dukes became the pope, taking 1/3 of my kingdom with him. I thought, O well, this can happen, and then wham, no warning, no nothing, another duchy becomes independent, taking another 1/3 of my kingdom. I relied heavily on them, and it's pretty anoying if they become independent with no reason.

 

[Arentak]

I got the farthest I've ever reached, all the way to 1170, when this bug made me quit in disgust as I lost vassals for no reason with no notification, so its not like I could just load the last autosave. They just POOF, leave.