89) DUPLICATE: Strange issue with conquering provinces, and more.

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Strange issue with conquering provinces, and more.

Playing version 1.01, I've run into a lot of strange things in my current 1066 campaign as Castille. First of all, when a liege's last county is conquered, more often than not the liege never takes land from his vassals. The liege still exists though, as both a character and the holder of whatever non-county titles they had. For instance, very early on Navarra was conquered and the King of Navarra didn't take possession of Rioja. He still existed, and was still the liege of the Count of Rioja. Shortly after that, the King just vanished utterly, leaving Rioja to the Count.

This has also happened with the other kingdoms/emirates in Iberia, and I suspect it can happen anywhere. The liege doesn't always disappear. Sometimes they remain in limbo (clicking on the location icon on their character screen takes you to the county of one of their vassals, but they dont control the county; or, it may take you to an almost random location across the map), sometimes they end up taking some of their vassal's land, and sometimes they vanish. It may not actually be related, but I very strongly suspect that it's linked to the game crashing to desktop during play, as well as when loading games saved after it happens. If the liege in question disappears, everything is fine; but if they don't disappear, problems aren't far behind.

Additionally, I've encountered a bug with a court being at war with itself. Somehow, the Duchy of Catalonia is at war with the Duchy of Catalonia, which seems related to all sorts of problems. This happened after a couple of the Catalonian vassals declared war against the Duchy or perhaps the King of Aragon. Eventually the war ended, but the Duchy was still at war with itself, and apparently is unable to change that.

Shortly after that, I went to war against the Emirate of Cordoba, conquering a few of their counties. However, although my King was leading the besieging forces, the counties didn't come under my control. They didn't even come under control of anyone in my court. They came under the control of two of the Catalonian Counts. This was extremely frustrating, because one of those counties I conquered was the rich county of Badajoz. But I didn't even have a claim to it, so could only sit by as it and the other county I had "liberated" were easily reconquered by the Emirate.

Edit: I should add that the counts who gained control of the conquered land didn't even have any armies present there.

 

[Grosshaus]

For 1.01 kings were given the opportunity to stay even with no demesne and their request of revocation of titles from vassals were supposed to be always accepted so kingdoms wouldn't collapse as often as before. I'd presume this is the cause of the problems you have, the sad part of it is the king doesn't seem to try to revoke any titles when he looses his demesne.

I have no idea about the duke fighting himself, perhaps it was caused because it's still possible to have a claim on the title one holds.

There is a known bug about loosing vassalage of the provinces your marshalls have conquered when you sue peace.

 

[FrEDa]

I've seen Kings, Muslims and Dukes revoke vassal titles and reappering many times. Sometimes it takes a week or two, sometimes 1 day.. and very very rarely they don't manage and are gone (if vassals refuse).

Regarding the marshall bug, wonderfull news. Then I understand why I lost alot of provinces.. which were taken by my marshall(s). It also means that it's not related to 0% efficiency as I suspected earlier..

/F

 

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There is a known bug about loosing vassalage of the provinces your marshalls have conquered when you sue peace.

This isn't the problem I'm talking about though. I conquered Badajoz and Mertola from the Emirate of Cordoba. The instant I took the counties, they became property of the counts of Urgell and Empuries respectively. There wasn't any suing for peace. The counts of Urgell and Empuries weren't my marshals or related to my marshals, they weren't my vassals, they weren't even involved in the war. I'm sure they were very happy though when they suddenly gained an additional rich province at no cost to themselves.

 

[Grosshaus]

As marhshall I mean anybody who leads an army. When you mobilize your host the first army is lead by the marshall, the second by your king and after that randomly by your male courtiers.

Also might it be that those provinces they hold were single province vassals, which meant you sort of sued for peace with that particular country?

 

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As marhshall I mean anybody who leads an army. When you mobilize your host the first army is lead by the marshall, the second by your king and after that randomly by your male courtiers.

Also might it be that those provinces they hold were single province vassals, which meant you sort of sued for peace with that particular country?

But you automatically take possession of any province of a nation with a different religion, which is what happened, sort of. The point is that ownership of the counties in question wasn't given to anybody participating in the war, it was given to two different counts in a kingdom that wasn't at war at all (with the exception of the duchy which was at war with itself), not any of my courtiers, or anyone related to my courtiers even.

 

[FrEDa]

Ok. You said they weren't related, but anyway.. a theory.

What happens if the person commanding an army, conquering a religious enemy, dies during the siege or just before it's successfull? What IF, the heir to the now dead commander was a courtier from another court? Would he 'inherit' this title? As a commander who dies still commands the army (though shaded), it's possible that the game checks, assigns it to him, then passes it on to his heir because he is dead?

Wouldn't explain why he's not a vassal of yours, *unless* he was already a vassal of someone else.

A theory.

On a similar note, I discovered that grouping Mercenaries with commanders (don't know if it works with Dukes though) is quite nice, as an annonymous commander will be the leader and claim the land for you.

/F

 

[Grosshaus]

AFAIK if a commander dies during siege his ghost continues the siege

 

[unmerged(27947)]

Ok. You said they weren't related, but anyway.. a theory.

What happens if the person commanding an army, conquering a religious enemy, dies during the siege or just before it's successfull?

/F

I just tested this, and even though the anonymous commander's picture still links to the late commander, the actual "leader" is still your ruler, just like any other instance you use an anonymous commander. So you still gain direct control of the conquered land.

 

[FrEDa]

I just tested this, and even though the anonymous commander's picture still links to the late commander, the actual "leader" is still your ruler, just like any other instance you use an anonymous commander. So you still gain direct control of the conquered land.

Ok. Perhaps good that it works that way. But so much for my brilliant theory

 

[FrEDa]

I just tested this, and even though the anonymous commander's picture still links to the late commander, the actual "leader" is still your ruler, just like any other instance you use an anonymous commander. So you still gain direct control of the conquered land.

I just re-read what you said here.. did you use an annonymous commander or a courtier?

/F

 

[Cat Lord]

I am very tempted to close this one and ask people to log separate issues in separate threads, if they still happen in 1.02...

Cat

 

[Cat Lord]

I am more than tempted now:

Mark this one as DUPLICATE, because there are too many bugs in it. Some of them already reported, some of them already fixed.

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Feel free to reopen a bug thread about one of the issue here, if and only if it as not already been reported somewhere else.

Thanks,

Cat