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At this point, my question is if Doomy will make this a fantasy option in the IGC then I am not sure what if anything I can do to help. If there is anything I can do just let me know.

Doomdark -- Is your plan to make this a fantasy option in IGC2.2 or later?

Do we want to just make-up fictional names for monarchs/leaders? Or attempt to use names of historical people who were nobles and/or local leaders? If someone in Finland wants to attempt to put together a list, that would go along way in getting this started. Otherwise we will probably just use totally fictional names.

maybe a free Estonia scenario as well
hehe, this should be crafted by an Estonian I think. ;)


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ErrantOne
 
There most likely could be a thread about : Who is Who in Finland...
Most notably...

YEAH: I KNOW... PROPAGANDA? .... I HAVE TO SAY...

I HAVE TO LOSE... TO TAKE IT AS THEY SAY IT...
THAT WON't WORK... I KNOW.....


From...http://ky.hkkk.fi/~k21206/finhist.html



Repeated wars against Russia extended the areas in the east, but keeping up military readiness was hard for the heavily taxed Finnish peasantry. Peace of Teusina (1595), also recognising Swedish rule over northern Estonia, ended a 25 years long war but military service continued. Peasants had to support large army formations. Consequently, a civil uprising called the " nuijasota " (Cudgel War) (1596-97) was fought against the military demands and local nobility, the uprising was eventually suppressed hard. The rebels gathered troops in Pohjanmaa (Ostrobothnia) and inner Finland, southernmost parts of the country remained calm, partly due to more tight government control.

The war happened simultaneously with and catalyzed by the struggle for the thrown of Sweden between King Sigismund and his uncle Duke Karl, catholic Sigismund was also King of Poland. Sigismund's Polish connection could have been valuable for Finland as an ally against Russia and for trade. Thus, the Finnish nobility led by Klaus Fleming(important character...!)

, governor of Finland and marshal of the Swedish army, largely took the side of the King Sigismund. Therefore, their opponent Duke Karl encouraged the discontented Finnish peasantry into an open revolt. Fleming was also preparing an army to invade Sweden proper, but his health was not too good. Duke Karl was backed by the majority of nobility, the Protestant Church and Diet in Sweden. Fleming was not very popular among the Swedish aristocracy even if he had been a succeful general, admiral and administrator. Consequently, Karl's victory in Sweden, Sigismund was dethroned in 1598, and Fleming's premature death led to punitive measures against the weakened Finnish nobility. Soon, many of the government officials in Finland were replaced by Swedes, who mostly were unable to speak Finnish. Thus, first the rebelling Finnish peasantry was punished by the local nobles and then the Finnish aristocracy was punished for opposing the "usurper" Duke Karl.
 
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Fleming just has to play a role in Finnish Independce....

And I quote:

"Chained cannonballs are very effective...Accuracy is less than
the minimal of our army...but the amount of blood will pay off every dept..." (Veri maksaa kaiken!)


--K. Fleming...(Liberator of the finnish people(not)). In "Cudgel War ...which was not fought against the swedish rule in general...but against K. Fleming in general so that he could not establish Finnish( over the areas including western Bothnia and Finland) Empire. Finns fought for the cause of the "true king" . Not to increase Flemings "area of control" .

To rule over the baltic sea(especially eastern parts...).
The Finns rebelled to keep loyal to the "King",
unlike Fleming had wished....

=Righteous monarch will gain power in Sweden...

Just to please You...

In a way...We newer rebelled against the Swedish/Russian rule....
We accepted the situation as it was from 1100-> under rule
of Sweden... AND NEWER REBELLED AGAINST SWEDEN OR AGAINST RUSSIA!!!

Poland rebelled (righteously so) but finnish troops were sent to disband the rebellionm. Tcars were crazy about finland...in the end
of the day it was not a integral part of Russian Empire...Just
a Grand Duchy With Alexander as the only ruler wirh some authority...

Take Care...

Just to please...(edited...As i see fit...feel free to flame!!!!!)
 
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Rules of Efficient Diplomacy can be problemsome....

In every line in our frames....

We are fools to think of Our Brothers in the "STEPPES OF THE GREAT
CONTINENT...> NOTHING TOO GREAT IN MY OPINION.

Every man for them selves...Every Nation for them selves....
 
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hehe, this should be crafted by an Estonian I think. ;)
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ErrantOne

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Yea, with 6-6-6 random leaders running about... i just couldn't control myself... :D errr, i mean to be objective
 
Free Finland will be a fantasy option in IGC 2.2. I am done with it, except for the monarchs and leaders. I want to use fictional names, but there are still two choices:

1) Go "semi-real" with names from the aristocracy (Swedish names).

2) Go "fennophile" and use entirely fictional Finnish names.

What would you prefer? ;)
 
make up some cool sounding Finnish names. That way you dont feel like you are playing Sweden. ;)

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ErrantOne

PS you DA-MAN Doomdark. :)