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Why do you want to prevent the Shadow Kingdom event? I actually think that it is a net positive from any potential perspective. If you are the HRE, you can personally take the land for less AE. You can also then add it back into the empire for more IA.
 
Why do you want to prevent the Shadow Kingdom event? I actually think that it is a net positive from any potential perspective. If you are the HRE, you can personally take the land for less AE. You can also then add it back into the empire for more IA.
You can argue it either way, but you're sacrificing long term IA and monarch points for extra expansion opportunities early. Each of the OPM that don't leave you end up ahead on IA after 20 years, if the prince has two provinces it's 40 years, 3 then 60, etc. You also don't have to pay monarch points to get that dev if it never leaves the HRE. Instead you can spend your MP coring land that's all gain instead of short term gain, long term loss.
 
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Thanks. I also forgot to say thank you for the guide, that is some impressive stuff.
 
I was doing great until the commonwealth decided to attack an HRE member, never in the game had they done so, but it is true there is nothingbut bigger guys left for them to attack.

I decided, very pissed of, to let them have it and ate the losses, but how do you get your lifelong friends not to backstab you that way? or how do you deal with it? just go to war? the CW is rather strong (specially since they were my friends) to be the only member having to tank them. At least now claiming that asshole relative's throne will feel good, but still, hes messing with my domains here. I had even guaranteed the guy hes annexing.
 
I was doing great until the commonwealth decided to attack an HRE member, never in the game had they done so, but it is true there is nothingbut bigger guys left for them to attack.

I decided, very pissed of, to let them have it and ate the losses, but how do you get your lifelong friends not to backstab you that way? or how do you deal with it? just go to war? the CW is rather strong (specially since they were my friends) to be the only member having to tank them. At least now claiming that asshole relative's throne will feel good, but still, hes messing with my domains here. I had even guaranteed the guy hes annexing.
I've honestly never had that happen, usually the alliance keeps them from wanting to piss me off.

If they didn't take enough land to really mess with IA gain I'd probably just ignore it although I'd be ticked too.
 
I've honestly never had that happen, usually the alliance keeps them from wanting to piss me off.

If they didn't take enough land to really mess with IA gain I'd probably just ignore it although I'd be ticked too.
They have behaved all game, but theres nowhere to expand to now, super Muscovy is a match so they aren't taking it, and of course Ottomans on the other side. They were my only big ally since Spain had just been PUed and was not quite loyal yet so I bet the AI decided I could not contain them.

Just 0.02 but Im more pissed because I paid diplo to release that prince lol (had too much AE to just pay with AE+prestige). Could add to the guide to try not to have princes with direct borders to outside nations so that they cant attack them (eg grab the pomeranian border, keep junior bohemia and hungary walling for the rest of the border then, probably not release serbia until you have a wall to protect them from ottomans, ottomans have behaved but if I were weak at some point, or lost emperorship, I bet they'd strike, also grab the province north of holstein after a danish war to wall out access to Lubeck/the north -the danish did take lubeck when I declared religious war on them and then I had to pay a lot of diplo to have them released again).
 
Anyone having trouble with ottomans joining wars against you through great power intervention when trying to fight france? I suppose I should be trying to beat them without allies?
 
Anyone having trouble with ottomans joining wars against you through great power intervention when trying to fight france? I suppose I should be trying to beat them without allies?
May have to, or try to avoid attacking France until Ottomans are at war already.

For some reason they never tended to interfere when I beat up on France, but I couldn't tell you why not.
 
Very nice guide, I tried it yesterday.

Everything went smoothly - Shadow Kingdom averted, Bohemia & Hungary under PU (I also got Palatinate as a bonus).
I was busy slapping Brabant for a few missing princes, when... Castille happenned.

They attacked Morocco - they did not call me in (obviously), and got stomped hard (dumb AI I guess?) - I only noticed this (I was busy warring in the HRE) when they called me in a defensive war against France, Aragon (+Naples) and a gargantuan Savoy (I am still not perfect at keeping HRE princes in check).

Then the Ottomans attacked. Then Muscovy attacked Poland.
I think this is the kind of spiral you talked about (getting attacked by or called in against multiple great powers).

I guess this is a restart, but I am only at 1489 so I did not lose that much progress.
 
Very nice guide, I tried it yesterday.

Everything went smoothly - Shadow Kingdom averted, Bohemia & Hungary under PU (I also got Palatinate as a bonus).
I was busy slapping Brabant for a few missing princes, when... Castille happenned.

They attacked Morocco - they did not call me in (obviously), and got stomped hard (dumb AI I guess?) - I only noticed this (I was busy warring in the HRE) when they called me in a defensive war against France, Aragon (+Naples) and a gargantuan Savoy (I am still not perfect at keeping HRE princes in check).

Then the Ottomans attacked. Then Muscovy attacked Poland.
I think this is the kind of spiral you talked about (getting attacked by or called in against multiple great powers).

I guess this is a restart, but I am only at 1489 so I did not lose that much progress.
Yeah, that's the death spiral, just doesn't usually tend to come from Castile because they get the wedding so often, at that point it's pretty hard for them to be too aggressive for what's around them.

Yeah, I'd probably restart, you might be able to save it if they did get the wedding, but it would still be frustrating.
 
Shouldnt he have let them lose then? some lands are fine they can be reconquest'd also go over relation limit with external big allies, pretty sure I let castille lose once, I also dropped poland, but they won their war and got bigger
 
Shouldnt he have let them lose then? some lands are fine they can be reconquest'd also go over relation limit with external big allies, pretty sure I let castille lose once, I also dropped poland, but they won their war and got bigger
With hindsight maybe, but that kind of thing is a lot harder to predict, sometimes you can win those kinds of wars before anyone else thinks you're too weak. Sometimes you can't, but you learn a lot from trying even if you lose an ironman run out of it. I'm not going to judge too much one way or another.
 
But not under control of a country in the HRE, unless you do the exploit to get Venice in the HRE.
Sure, but that's only a problem for the small IA drain. It has no impact on the Shadow Kingdom.
 
Sure, but that's only a problem for the small IA drain. It has no impact on the Shadow Kingdom.
I looked it up, apparently your correct. Less warscore needed and less of a truce timer if you are doing multiple wars with Venice.

I guess it's really most helpful to keep Milan from joining a coalition on you from the big boost in relations you get for returning their core and no AE from doing it. Also if you want their help too, but that doesn't work with this strategy the OP has.
 
For PU you need to have the same dynasty, unless they are habsburg already all you can aim for is giving them a habsburg.

Pretty sure that is false, there are different phases in the game that result in different outcomes when a heirless ruler die. Most of the time you just spread your dynasty but during shorter time spans you can get a direct PU or even inherit a country instantly.

There is a nice guide here on the forums that explains it all https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ages-personal-unions-and-claim-throne.788829/