Well that doesn't make sense, loaning too much money causes deflation not inflation.
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He did mean deflation. But Musa didn't loan. He literally gave away so much gold as gifts that he accidentally crashed the economy of the time.
Yeah Mansa is a great trade partner but he has a tendency to raise my cities more often then most, and having my cities raised is a berserk button for me.
(Monty is fun, he is so dumb and easily manipulated. I like it when he is on another landmass so that I can occasionally give him a nice military tech, which makes him go try and sacrifice one or more of his neighbors)
Also seven dynasties in England? In 1250!? Which dynasties?
(Monty is fun, he is so dumb and easily manipulated. I like it when he is on another landmass so that I can occasionally give him a nice military tech, which makes him go try and sacrifice one or more of his neighbors)
Also seven dynasties in England? In 1250!? Which dynasties?
The 2 funniest leaders to play against in Civ IV:
Tokugawa, even when he is friendly with me me sometimes he will refuse to open borders with me on the basis that "we just don't like you enough'. I guess its historically accurate because Tokgawa hated everyone who wasn't Japanese and created the most isolationist government in history.
Catherine:
She slaps you when she doesn't like you and most importantly when you first meet her:
"We are always looking for CLOSER relationships with other leaders, if you catch my drift"
The reference to her famous affairs is simply lolsworthy and if an AI Catherine ever asks me for help, I just can't turn her down.
"Also seven dynasties in England? In 1250!? Which dynasties?"
Now 8: Godwin, Normandie, Yngling (2), Hwice (2), gisking and wessex. I counted Yngling twice because for a little back there were back to back Yngling leaders imprisoning eachother, releasing the prison, then the prisoner would revolt and retake the throne. They were cousins, but technically both Ynglings.
The same thing happened with Hwice in 1278, so I am now calling it 8 dynasties. The first English civil war lasted from 1068-1290 and house Hwice won. The second civil war lasted from 1307-1322 and once again House Hwice won. The 3rd English civil war (on going) started in 1361 and is still on going (its now 1369). Wessex, Gisking, Godwin and Normandie have all died out (The last of the Godwins was executed when they failed to take the crown in the second civil war), so its now the fighting is going on between 2 hwice leaders (ones the uncle of the other) and a Yngling leader.
I think Englands civil war tradition may come to an end once I convert over the EUIII. I'm debating between whether coverting to EUIII in 1399 (I have found that the later you convert to longer it takes for countries to discover the new world) and going on till 1453 to see how long Englands civil wars will last. Since when I convert to EUIII I think England will suddenly become a much more civilized country.
Tokugawa, even when he is friendly with me me sometimes he will refuse to open borders with me on the basis that "we just don't like you enough'. I guess its historically accurate because Tokgawa hated everyone who wasn't Japanese and created the most isolationist government in history.
Catherine:
She slaps you when she doesn't like you and most importantly when you first meet her:
"We are always looking for CLOSER relationships with other leaders, if you catch my drift"
The reference to her famous affairs is simply lolsworthy and if an AI Catherine ever asks me for help, I just can't turn her down.
"Also seven dynasties in England? In 1250!? Which dynasties?"
Now 8: Godwin, Normandie, Yngling (2), Hwice (2), gisking and wessex. I counted Yngling twice because for a little back there were back to back Yngling leaders imprisoning eachother, releasing the prison, then the prisoner would revolt and retake the throne. They were cousins, but technically both Ynglings.
The same thing happened with Hwice in 1278, so I am now calling it 8 dynasties. The first English civil war lasted from 1068-1290 and house Hwice won. The second civil war lasted from 1307-1322 and once again House Hwice won. The 3rd English civil war (on going) started in 1361 and is still on going (its now 1369). Wessex, Gisking, Godwin and Normandie have all died out (The last of the Godwins was executed when they failed to take the crown in the second civil war), so its now the fighting is going on between 2 hwice leaders (ones the uncle of the other) and a Yngling leader.
I think Englands civil war tradition may come to an end once I convert over the EUIII. I'm debating between whether coverting to EUIII in 1399 (I have found that the later you convert to longer it takes for countries to discover the new world) and going on till 1453 to see how long Englands civil wars will last. Since when I convert to EUIII I think England will suddenly become a much more civilized country.
They are Norwegian, I'm not sure how they got a claim to the throne (maybe one of them married the kings daughter) but they had 2 monarchs in history.
CENTRAL EUROPE 1513-1546
Not long after the Council of Tannes, the Catholic powers of Europe once again tried to crush the wellspring of the Reformation in Wurttemberg. King Premysl III von Mecklenburg of Bohemia, fresh off his success in France, decided it was time to silence Knypfhausen’s voice for good, and declared war on Mecklenburg. Although it must be said that the more cynical suggested that he no doubt was also eager to annex Wurttemberg because of its strategic location on a key crossroads between the Danube River trade and the trade through the Alpine passes to Venice.
But during this time of religious conflict, it took only a few weeks for the war to become a more general central European conflict. Premysl called in its allies in Danzig, Prussia, and Cologne as well as its vassal state of Orleans. He was not overly frightened of Wurttemberg’s protestant allies in Lorraine and Gelre. But the Bavarian queen Adelaide von Ostfriesland also objected to the subjugation of Wurttemberg, and when Karl Theodor von Voghiera chose to view Bohemia as threatening the independence of Lorraine, the war took on a different character. Frankfurt and its vassals in Saxony and Thuringia represented a formidable power bloc in central Europe. And the powerful—though distant—protestant state of Navarra had also entered the war on Wurttemberg’s side.
Premysl died the year after the war began leaving his five-year-old son Ruprecht on the throne. The King’s death made an already difficult war even worse. Morale was poor, and Bohemia was surrounded by enemies that its distant allies in Danzig and Prussia were little help against.
Central Europe in 1515:
The difficult military circumstances were somewhat assuaged by the election of young Ruprecht as Holy Roman Emperor. Perhaps fearing that Ruprecht would grow up to be a formidable power, most of its enemies were willing to make peace for minor concessions: small sums of gold to Frankfurt, Lorraine and Wurttemberg, and a recognition that Bavaria was the rightful owner of Oberbayern.
This did not bring an end to Bohemia’s difficulties, however. King Franz of Austria joined the ranks of protestant rulers later that year and was soon persuaded to enter the fray in central Europe by the Navarrans. It was not until 1523 that Bohemia had fully extricated itself from this morass. Miraculously, Ruprecht had managed to escape without major territorial concessions, but Navarra had forced his ally in Danzig to release the Duke of Pommerania from his oath of fealty.
The war proved at least as destructive for some of Bohemia’s enemies as it had for its friends. Rebels in Bavaria broke the country apart and proclaimed the Kingdom of Styria in 1520. And Karl Theodor of Frankfurt proved that he had little interest in presenting a united front against the Catholic countries. Ironically, the nation that had probably saved Wurttemberg from being crushed by Bohemia, declared war upon it in 1519. Although a number of the smaller states of the Empire tried to defend Wurttemberg, with the Emperor himself still struggling with Navarra and Austria, they had little hope of success.
Karl Theodor punished them severely for trying to thwart his designs on Wurttemberg. Barely a year after the beginning of the war, he annexed Lorraine. Bavaria held out longer, but in 1524 was forced to cede Kempten and make a large monetary payment—more than three years of tax income—in return for peace. Three years later Karl Theodor’s son, Eugen II, compelled his former vassals in Saxony to accept the loss of autonomy.
Eugen II also presided over the final banishing of the Catholic Church from Frankfurt. By 1525, intensive missionary work along with the chuch attendance duty had converted most of the populace throughout the country to Knypfhausen’s religious views. In 1528, Eugen took the step of dissolving the monasteries and acquiring their rich lands for himself. The Pope and the neighboring catholic states could object all they liked, but Frankfurt had established itself as the dominant power in central Europe.
Central Europe in 1527:
Farther east, however, there was an even stronger potential rival, but one that was—at least for the moment—quite friendly. Hungary had spent much of the early part of the century focused on ending bringing an end to internal religious strife. But by 1531, the nation was firmly protestant and the situation in Hesse was too tempting to ignore.
The death of King Ivo I had left the country under the control of a regency council until his nephew Ludwig von Rheinfelden could inherit. The regents managed the country poorly, provoking the downtrodden serfs into a revolt that plunged it into crisis. When Ludwig II was forced to make peace with the serfs, he agreed to greatly extend their liberty, freeing them from many feudal obligations. In the process, he cleverly consolidated power in his own hands, weakening the feudal lords, but his despotic rule was not popular throughout the land.
In 1531, King Zsigmond von Rheinfelden of Hungary declared war, citing an ancient claim on Graz. Ludwig called on his catholic allies in the east to defend him: Nizhny Novgorod, Lithuania, Krakow and Zaparozhe. Etruria came to his aid as well, having pledged to defend the Catholic faith. But Hungary had a closer strong ally in Austria, and in less than a year Ludwig was forced to become a vassal of his distant kin. The following year Frankfurt also joined the Protestant side.
Delighted by his success Zsigmond, pressed onward, declaring that he would subjugate Cleves as well. He might not have dared so much had he not succeeded in persuading Frankfurt to ally with him. Once again, Cleves had allies of its own, but Munster and Flanders were weak and Norway was too far away to worry him. Even when Flanders asked Genoa and Sardinia to join the war, Zsigmond was unconcerned. Frankfurt, Austria and Hungary were too solid a bloc in central Europe to be defeated.
One by one, Zsigmond extorted tribute from his enemies. Munster and Flanders got away with merely monetary compensation and the annulment of treaties, but he extracted Provence from Genoa. The alliance continued to run roughshod over the Catholic powers in the areas for several years, and no alliance seemed able to stop them. Aachen and Luneburg were next on their list, attacked by Hungary and Austria respectively. Though Aachen survived the war, its ally Hamburg was forced to cede lands to Hungary, though they were far away and would prove difficult to hold. Frankfurt annexed another of the catholic allies, Baden. Two years later, Hungary annexed Hesse. It was not until 1544 that peace was finally signed between all the parties, and by then the three protestant powers had fully consolidated their hold on the region.
Central Europe in 1546:
Not long after the Council of Tannes, the Catholic powers of Europe once again tried to crush the wellspring of the Reformation in Wurttemberg. King Premysl III von Mecklenburg of Bohemia, fresh off his success in France, decided it was time to silence Knypfhausen’s voice for good, and declared war on Mecklenburg. Although it must be said that the more cynical suggested that he no doubt was also eager to annex Wurttemberg because of its strategic location on a key crossroads between the Danube River trade and the trade through the Alpine passes to Venice.
But during this time of religious conflict, it took only a few weeks for the war to become a more general central European conflict. Premysl called in its allies in Danzig, Prussia, and Cologne as well as its vassal state of Orleans. He was not overly frightened of Wurttemberg’s protestant allies in Lorraine and Gelre. But the Bavarian queen Adelaide von Ostfriesland also objected to the subjugation of Wurttemberg, and when Karl Theodor von Voghiera chose to view Bohemia as threatening the independence of Lorraine, the war took on a different character. Frankfurt and its vassals in Saxony and Thuringia represented a formidable power bloc in central Europe. And the powerful—though distant—protestant state of Navarra had also entered the war on Wurttemberg’s side.
Premysl died the year after the war began leaving his five-year-old son Ruprecht on the throne. The King’s death made an already difficult war even worse. Morale was poor, and Bohemia was surrounded by enemies that its distant allies in Danzig and Prussia were little help against.
Central Europe in 1515:
The difficult military circumstances were somewhat assuaged by the election of young Ruprecht as Holy Roman Emperor. Perhaps fearing that Ruprecht would grow up to be a formidable power, most of its enemies were willing to make peace for minor concessions: small sums of gold to Frankfurt, Lorraine and Wurttemberg, and a recognition that Bavaria was the rightful owner of Oberbayern.
This did not bring an end to Bohemia’s difficulties, however. King Franz of Austria joined the ranks of protestant rulers later that year and was soon persuaded to enter the fray in central Europe by the Navarrans. It was not until 1523 that Bohemia had fully extricated itself from this morass. Miraculously, Ruprecht had managed to escape without major territorial concessions, but Navarra had forced his ally in Danzig to release the Duke of Pommerania from his oath of fealty.
The war proved at least as destructive for some of Bohemia’s enemies as it had for its friends. Rebels in Bavaria broke the country apart and proclaimed the Kingdom of Styria in 1520. And Karl Theodor of Frankfurt proved that he had little interest in presenting a united front against the Catholic countries. Ironically, the nation that had probably saved Wurttemberg from being crushed by Bohemia, declared war upon it in 1519. Although a number of the smaller states of the Empire tried to defend Wurttemberg, with the Emperor himself still struggling with Navarra and Austria, they had little hope of success.
Karl Theodor punished them severely for trying to thwart his designs on Wurttemberg. Barely a year after the beginning of the war, he annexed Lorraine. Bavaria held out longer, but in 1524 was forced to cede Kempten and make a large monetary payment—more than three years of tax income—in return for peace. Three years later Karl Theodor’s son, Eugen II, compelled his former vassals in Saxony to accept the loss of autonomy.
Eugen II also presided over the final banishing of the Catholic Church from Frankfurt. By 1525, intensive missionary work along with the chuch attendance duty had converted most of the populace throughout the country to Knypfhausen’s religious views. In 1528, Eugen took the step of dissolving the monasteries and acquiring their rich lands for himself. The Pope and the neighboring catholic states could object all they liked, but Frankfurt had established itself as the dominant power in central Europe.
Central Europe in 1527:
Farther east, however, there was an even stronger potential rival, but one that was—at least for the moment—quite friendly. Hungary had spent much of the early part of the century focused on ending bringing an end to internal religious strife. But by 1531, the nation was firmly protestant and the situation in Hesse was too tempting to ignore.
The death of King Ivo I had left the country under the control of a regency council until his nephew Ludwig von Rheinfelden could inherit. The regents managed the country poorly, provoking the downtrodden serfs into a revolt that plunged it into crisis. When Ludwig II was forced to make peace with the serfs, he agreed to greatly extend their liberty, freeing them from many feudal obligations. In the process, he cleverly consolidated power in his own hands, weakening the feudal lords, but his despotic rule was not popular throughout the land.
In 1531, King Zsigmond von Rheinfelden of Hungary declared war, citing an ancient claim on Graz. Ludwig called on his catholic allies in the east to defend him: Nizhny Novgorod, Lithuania, Krakow and Zaparozhe. Etruria came to his aid as well, having pledged to defend the Catholic faith. But Hungary had a closer strong ally in Austria, and in less than a year Ludwig was forced to become a vassal of his distant kin. The following year Frankfurt also joined the Protestant side.
Delighted by his success Zsigmond, pressed onward, declaring that he would subjugate Cleves as well. He might not have dared so much had he not succeeded in persuading Frankfurt to ally with him. Once again, Cleves had allies of its own, but Munster and Flanders were weak and Norway was too far away to worry him. Even when Flanders asked Genoa and Sardinia to join the war, Zsigmond was unconcerned. Frankfurt, Austria and Hungary were too solid a bloc in central Europe to be defeated.
One by one, Zsigmond extorted tribute from his enemies. Munster and Flanders got away with merely monetary compensation and the annulment of treaties, but he extracted Provence from Genoa. The alliance continued to run roughshod over the Catholic powers in the areas for several years, and no alliance seemed able to stop them. Aachen and Luneburg were next on their list, attacked by Hungary and Austria respectively. Though Aachen survived the war, its ally Hamburg was forced to cede lands to Hungary, though they were far away and would prove difficult to hold. Frankfurt annexed another of the catholic allies, Baden. Two years later, Hungary annexed Hesse. It was not until 1544 that peace was finally signed between all the parties, and by then the three protestant powers had fully consolidated their hold on the region.
Central Europe in 1546:
Wow, Hungary hungers for lesser powers to extend its blobby borders into. It seems that Protestantism rises both in and out of the Empire!
Regardless of Hungary's successes, it will always be threatened and outclassed by its southern neighbour, the Byzantine Empire. At the same time, it only has so much room about it to expand in before it bumps into what I assume to be Frankhurt and Austria's sphere of influence. It might stand a better change if it goes east, but of course it'll continue to border the Byzantine Empire...
I don't have my hopes held out for Austria. Its also limited in where it can go. Its already began to expand in northern Italy, but how long before it bumps against Etruria and Berry?
I have more hopes for Frankhurt though. They've got a lot of small states around them they can gobble up with relative ease. With France in tatters, it doesn't seem as though there's any real threat from a BBB. Who knows, maybe in a hundred years, we'll see a Germany form!
I don't have my hopes held out for Austria. Its also limited in where it can go. Its already began to expand in northern Italy, but how long before it bumps against Etruria and Berry?
I have more hopes for Frankhurt though. They've got a lot of small states around them they can gobble up with relative ease. With France in tatters, it doesn't seem as though there's any real threat from a BBB. Who knows, maybe in a hundred years, we'll see a Germany form!
It seems that Frankfurt could conceivably unite Germany under one banner. Hungary is probably running out of room, unless the Byzantines were to collapse.
Think of how badass Germany would be in Victoria 2 it already got a head start in EUIII. I would love to see a united germany in the 1700s, if not sooner
This is an excellent point - a larger territory, a more dominant protestant religion, if Frankfurt continues to consolidate then we could see a huge power form in central Europe.
I think Hungary isn't getting enough credit. Remember the Byzantines have the Timirids to worry about. It seems likely they are too distracted in the East to worry about Hungary. I suspect Hungary will soon turn it's attention further North, toward Danzig and Poland. It's ally Frankfurt could well do the same as it attempts to absorb the Northeast German states.
As long as Frankfurt gets enough cores on German provinces to get the unify Germany event, I'd be happy.
Italy might have a chance to form early in this game as well, and could be very strong by the time V2 comes along.
