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Do the Manchu always annex the Ming?

Although, granted, the Ming should probably just be "China," since Ming is the name of the dynasty, not the country (either in English or Chinese).
 
No - Manchu gets missions/decisions to attack and defeat the Ming at the start of the 17th century, as per history, eventually getting cores everywhere etc. If Manchu is destroyed, after ~1600 Ming get a decision to switch to Manchu. In either case, it's not uncommon that both survive until the end.
 
Given that I finished my first mega campaign. I really hope they both don't.

Ming converted to the Chinese Empire, and Manchu remained as Manchu. Problem with this is Manchu and Chinese Emprie had the same flag, (The Qing dynasty dragon), which made it very confusing.
 
WolfSnakeCaffer said:
Given that I finished my first mega campaign. I really hope they both don't.

Ming converted to the Chinese Empire, and Manchu remained as Manchu. Problem with this is Manchu and Chinese Emprie had the same flag, (The Qing dynasty dragon), which made it very confusing.
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You could tag change it to one of the chinese substate too.
 
INDIA, 1584-1644

With the collapse of the Mongol threat in the Northwest, the various Hindu states no longer faced a grave external threat. It was perhaps inevitable that the traditional alliances between the major powers in India—Bihar, Vijayanagar, and Rajputana-- that had kept the peace would begin to fray. The growing power of Bihar would propel it into a fierce rivalry with Vijayanagar as the years progressed.

India in 1584:
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The ambitions of Muhammad II Najafi of Bihar became clear when he declared war on the Buddhist state of Deva Bengal, hoping to take control of the fertile Ganges delta and its valuable tea plantations. The Bengali’s drew an impressive array of allies attempting to include them both from its brethren in the east and from the small Hindu states of Malwa and Gondwana, but with the major Hindu powers all arrayed behind Bihar, they had little hope of success. Within three years, Muhammad II had trounced all of them on the battlefield, gaining large sums of gold from Deva Bengal, Malwa, Taungu, and Gondwanaland. Taungu suffered the further humiliation of being compelled to release its subject peoples, while Gondwana land accepted Bihar as its liege. Gondwana was annexed by Bihar in 1596, ending the story of one of the five Hindu states that had once allied to drive the Muslims from the subcontinent.

Meanwhile, Rajputana sought to destroy the last remaining Muslim realm in India, declaring War on Sind in 1587, and forcing it to let go of the tiny muslim state of Gakwar the following year. If it was his intention to absorb Gakwar into his own kingdom, however, he failed. The short-lived Kingdom of Gakwar was invaded and annexed by Sicily in 1590, though a new state of that name was carved out of Vijayanagar the following year in the aftermath of its disastrous war with Malacca. The next decade saw repeated rebellions and wars between the newly created states of Gujarat and Gakwar and Sicily and Sind.

The root of Vijayanagar’s problems lay in the incompetence of the regency council that had taken over after King Krishna’s death in 1583. The infant Vijaya III saw his ministers preside over the naval fiasco in Malacca, followed by a series of revolts in its outer provinces: the Maldives, Maharashtra, and Nepal. Of the three, only Maharashtra was successfully recovered. Thinking that mighty Vijayanagar was crumbling, the Rajputni sided with the Nepalese rebels. This proved not to be the case, however, and Vijaya III punished Rajputana by taking several of its southern provinces in 1594. Nepal, however remained defiant, and Vijaya eventually conceded defeat, signing peace in 1604.

India in 1603:
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Mohammed II’s successor, Bahadur II continued the policy of bullying the weaker states around him. In 1603, he sent an expedition northward through the Himalayan passes against Tibet. Not only did he capture the province of Bhutan, he also forced Assam, who had tried to defend Tibet, to cede Silhet within a year. The Nepalese had only a brief taste of freedom, as Bahadur forced both Nepal and its ally, Malwa, to accept him as overlord in 1611, and were annexed formally in 1621. Next on Bahadur’s list was Deva Bengal, which had tried to defy his father and was punished by conquest in 1619.

While Sriranga II of Vijayanagar was on his great African adventure, the embattled Muslim states of Sind and Gakwar continued to struggle for survival. The combined efforts of Rajputana, Punjab and Gujarat made their position increasingly untenable and the two states were much reduced in size by the 1620’s.

India in 1624:
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The long friendship between Vijayanagar and Bihar finally came to an end in 1628. Relations had cooled between the two countries as a result of conflicting interests in the East. Vijayanagar still regarded Nepal as rightfully its territory, as a result of an inheritance through marriage in the late 16th century. A second such inheritance brought Bengal into personal union with Sriranga II. The final straw came when King Achyuta Tuluva of Vijayanagar declared war on Gujarat, a Bihari ally.

Despite Bihar’s help, Gujarat was unable to defend itself against its powerful southern neighbor, becoming a Vijayanagari vassal in 1630. Rajputana was also punished for its alliance with Bihar and Gujarat, and forced to pay gold for peace. But Vijayanagar’s allies suffered as well, with Bihar seizing Delhi’s eastern provinces, and eventually, Vijayanagar agreed to release its hold on Bengal. The new Bengali government promptly agreed to accept Bihar’s protection.

As the mid-cenury mark approached, India’s two dominant nations from confrontation with each other and consolidated their power in their own spheres of influence. Vijayanagar annexed Gujarat, then conquered Sind a few years later, leaving tiny Gakwar the last remaining Muslim state in the region. Meanwhile, Bihar annexed its vassals, Bengal and Malwa, leaving it the unchallenged ruler of the Ganges Valley.

India in 1645:
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I love how the Byzantine Empire is just hovering nearby.
 
I'm playing a Castile/Spain game and a Byzantium I funded is pretty much doing the same thing, they even got so big they started to interfere in my French sphere of influence and I had to kick em oout over three or four wars. We allied up fifty years later and they're expanding into Persia and the Arabian peninsula now.
 
Yeah India looks pretty normal, but then that is to be expected considering CK2's map doesn't exactly stretch that far, so there wasn't a few hundred years of weirdness beforehand to muck around with things.
 
What about the nearly two hundred years that has gone on in eu3. That is a lot of time where it could have changed but nothing major happened.
 
EtzelHoveri said:
What about the nearly two hundred years that has gone on in eu3. That is a lot of time where it could have changed but nothing major happened.
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By normal we mean it looks like a typical EUIII game, where Vik and Bihar have conquered most of India.

This didn't happen historically. By now in real life Mughal had control of most, if not all of India.
 
Yeah a "normal" EUIII game usually sees Vij + one of the other Hindu states (Bihar commonly but occasionally Rajputana) eat India, and usually after that Vij eats the other one up. You do see the infrequent collapse of a Vij blob, though. Most recent game featured a united India Vij blob that must have had a bad run of Regency and events b/c it totally disintegrated from no apparent outside forces in ~20 years in the mid-17th century. Made my glomming of southern and central India as Spain that much easier (plus I propped up via cash/alliance Bihar and Raj so they could act as buffers to other Euro expansion and interference by lesser types).
 
BYZANTIUM, 1625-1647.

After fighting a war that had lasted well over a hundred years, one might expect that the Empire would wish to give its troops some much needed rest. However, resting on his laurels was not Thomas III’s style. Less than two weeks after he received the first of his monthly tributes from the Timurids, he declared war on Sicily.

It had long irritated him that the southern and eastern portions of Arabia remained outside the empire. The Sultanate of Sicily had benefited from the Hundred Years War, descending upon the southern side of the Gulf while the Timurid’s forces struggled with the Empire. But though Sicily was weak, provisioning troops for the crossing of the burning desert had been a formidable obstacle, and the Empire had not had a strong naval presence in the region. But now that they controlled all the ports along the northern side of the Gulf, it would be far easier.

As Thomas had expected, Sicily’s only real defense was thirst. With his ships supplying the men with water and food, his armies overran most of Sicily and its ally Yemen in less than two years.

The Arabian Peninsula in 1627:
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In 1628, when the Yemeni fortress of Dhamar had fallen and Sultan Martino Hafsid of Sicily had been captured, Thomas could have forced whatever concessions he desired. But though he was not as skilled an administrator as he was a general, he realized that it would be unwise to annex so much territory occupied by people of a hostile culture and religion all at once. He took control of all the Sicilian lands on the Persian gulf and one strategic province along the southern coast of the peninsula to control piracy.

Thomas took one year to tighten imperial control over the Province of Georgia, then returned his attention to the Timurids. Mongol raiders were troubling his Greek settlements along the sea coast. The Timurids could not muster much of a force in open battle, and were outnumbered by more than 10:1 in both the battles of Farrah and Kabulistan. Even so, the Mongols propensity for hiding in the hills and striking at unfortified civilian settlements meant that the war dragged on. Thomas did not live to see the end of the war, which concluded with the extinction of the Timurid dynasty by his successor Konstantinos XII in 1647.

Byzantium in 1648:
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As a long time lurker and first time poster of this great saga, I just want to tell you that you are doing a great job and the AI is being very interesting yet somehow plausible which makes this so much the more fun. In my last Ck2 conversion game Byzantium decided to form a large one province wide arm across most of Asia, it was not a pretty sight.
 
that is a sexy looking byzantium. my money is still on it falling apart if it gets involved in a major war in india and/or europe that pumps up war exhaustion. i think it might have reached that critical mass where rebellions can't be put down easily due to the AI's terrible rebel hunting algo's. its vassals are probably the only saving grace. if it annexes a few big ones like funj and greece its going to have rebel stomper armies marching all over the place with no vassal army rebel stompers to help out.

magritte2 - could you comment on how useful vassal armies have been at rebel stomping and warring the timmies off the map?
 
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