I wish this would happen in my games, the colonial and native wars in India were far more interesting then the ones in North America, in my opinion.
On Byzantium: I really want them to annex their vassals.
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On Byzantium: I really want them to annex their vassals.
Looks like the Greeks have just about reached the natural limits of there growth - from now on, they're bordering strong states in Europe (Hungary), Central Asia (Sibir), and India (Bihar and Vij). It'll be interesting to see if they keep expanding, or shift their focus into holding on to what they already have.
The Indian states are probably completely outclassed tech-wise by this point, so if Byz wants to, nothing in India is going to stop them. It really depends on what sort of relations they have and whether they decide to Holy War before it expires.
Well, they've officially reached Alexander status (actually better)- from Punt to the Indus to Sarmatia, a Greek-speaking Empire rules supreme...
Did the converter put Byz into Latin tech? I don't think it did, and if that is the case then that massive empire is in for a world of hurt in the later game stages once the Europeans finally get their act together. Of course, it IS a big enough state that the AI may just end up being too terrified to attack it. Personally, I want to see it have an epic war with someone more its tech equal or superior.
I have a really strong feeling Byzantium will get eaten alive in an etrurian-hungary war
@gotothemax, I'm not actually sure how effective the vassal armies have been. So far as I can tell, the vassal armies just seem to sit there. One thing that has been lucky for it is that most of the time when rebels have taken control of the province, they've defected to one of the vassals, from one vassal to another or from vassal to empire.
As far as tech, the converter actually made everybody western tech and I manually assigned techs that were more in line with EU3, so eastern tech for the Byzantines and all their vassals. They were minting a lot during the war with the Timurids and that's further eroded their tech base--they're actually about on par or even a little behind the muslim tech countries at the moment and not that far ahead of the Indians. Bihar is Land 16 and Naval 9. Byzzies are Land 20, Naval 18. Etruria is 27 in both. But the sheer size of the Empire may intimidate the western nations.
As far as tech, the converter actually made everybody western tech and I manually assigned techs that were more in line with EU3, so eastern tech for the Byzantines and all their vassals. They were minting a lot during the war with the Timurids and that's further eroded their tech base--they're actually about on par or even a little behind the muslim tech countries at the moment and not that far ahead of the Indians. Bihar is Land 16 and Naval 9. Byzzies are Land 20, Naval 18. Etruria is 27 in both. But the sheer size of the Empire may intimidate the western nations.
Not quite Holy War for the Infamy cost, but far more versatile! Every country that switches to Absolute Monarchy will be able to attack anyone they want witha valid CB then. And its almost a certainty that at least one of the big Western tech Euros will take Absolute Monarchy....
Republics can switch to a government with rulers ruling until death, followed by election (I forget its name) and get the imperialism CB as well.
Repuplican Dictatorship. That's Gov 28. And you're right. Absolute Monarchy is only one of several that give the Imperialism CB, but its the first to be reached and there tends to be more monarchies than republics. I think Enlightened Despotism also keeps the Imperialism CB, not sure about the other later gov types.
Although in this particular game, there's already a Republican dictatorship (Connacht), and Etruria will reach Gov 28 before any of the major monarchies reach 27. Thus far, the big countries have stayed feudal rather than switching to administrative monarchy.
EUROPEANS IN WEST AFRICA, 1630-1652.
The New World was not the only place in which European peoples were expanding in the mid-17th century. The last few centuries had seen tremendous advances in science, commercial practices, and weaponry that had resulted in the European countries being far advance of the old civilizations of Asia, let alone those of Africa and the New World. The resultant economic and military might was beginning to allow them to impose their will beyond far beyond their own shores.
With its historical heartland in the interior of Europe, Austria seemed an unlikely nation to be in the vanguard of the expansion of European civilization. But by the reign of King Ferdinand III, Austria’s numerous wars with sea-based Genoa had forced it to develop its fleet, and it had acquired offshore properties in the Balearic Islands and along the west coast of Africa. When he became King of Navarra as well in 1626, and learned how its intrepid explorers had found an entirely new world and circumnavigated Africa, he became convinced that Austria’s future lay in exploiting opportunities beyond its immediate neighbors in Central Europe.
In 1630, he declared war on Mali, seeking to improve the safety of his new possessions on the African Coast. Mali was by far the largest, wealthiest and most advanced of African nations, having maintained close trade links with the Mediterranean world for centuries. Its leaders had fought many previous wars against European powers, particularly Denmark, and had learned a great deal from them. But while Mali’s Westernized Central African Infantry and Chambered Demi Cannons were not to be trifled with, Sultan Mamadu Ouadane was a child, and his claim to the throne was weak.
Though Mali had fought European powers often enough, the wars had generally taken place in the Atlas Mountains and any would-be invaders who hoped to threaten the country’s core had faced a daunting trek across the Sahara. But Ferdinand III smashed Mali’s small fleet and transported his army to the West African coast, directly threatening its capital. The young Sultan was forced to capitulate and surrender his coastal provinces in 1632. This was a grievous blow, cutting Mali off from the sea. It was almost inevitable that it would result in the drying up of the great caravan routes that fed Timbuktu as trade would shift to the coast.
Having secured the coast, Ferdinand returned his attentions to Europe. He had long coveted the wealthy city of Genoa, even if its trade had suffered in recent decades from intense competition with Venice, Pisa and Sardinia. In 1638, he decided the time had come to evict the Doge from his ancestral home, and though Genoa had a mighty fortress, it lacked the army to defend it. The starving Genoese surrendered the following year. The Doge fled to North Africa where he still held two landlocked provinces, Genoa’s long history as an important player in Mediterranean trade was over.
Shortly afterward, the Austrians returned their attention to Africa, seeking to expand their holdings. But by this time the Sultan had grown into a man, and the troops were far better trained than they had been in the past. A long and bitter struggle ensued which Ferdinand did not leave to see the end of, with the Austrian colony at Trarza being captured and lost by the Malians several times. It was not until 1652 that peace was concluded with Austria triumphant once more. King Maximilian of Austria and Navarra took possession of two inland provinces and compelled the Malians to retract all claims to the lands captured in the previous war.
Austria was not the only European country active on the continent. Leinster was building colonies on the north shore of the Gulf of Guinea, while Berry and Denmark concentrated their efforts further south and east along the coast. The Danish settlements and the slave trade soon led to tension with neighboring Kongo. In 1639, Karl I Rantzau gave up all pretense of peaceful coexistence and declared war.
Initially, it seemed Karl did not take the war very seriously, however. Kongo was a far more primitive nation than Mali, and he did not deign to send many troops to defend his colonies which were captured by the Kongolese in 1641. But in 1649, he decided enough was enough and landed a real Danish army on the shores of Africa. Soon, he had not only recaptured the old colonies but occupied the entire nation of Kongo. In 1652, Denmark laid claim to the entire land which had once been Kongo and the tribal chief was in no position to dispute the supremacy of the Europeans.
West Africa in 1654:
The New World was not the only place in which European peoples were expanding in the mid-17th century. The last few centuries had seen tremendous advances in science, commercial practices, and weaponry that had resulted in the European countries being far advance of the old civilizations of Asia, let alone those of Africa and the New World. The resultant economic and military might was beginning to allow them to impose their will beyond far beyond their own shores.
With its historical heartland in the interior of Europe, Austria seemed an unlikely nation to be in the vanguard of the expansion of European civilization. But by the reign of King Ferdinand III, Austria’s numerous wars with sea-based Genoa had forced it to develop its fleet, and it had acquired offshore properties in the Balearic Islands and along the west coast of Africa. When he became King of Navarra as well in 1626, and learned how its intrepid explorers had found an entirely new world and circumnavigated Africa, he became convinced that Austria’s future lay in exploiting opportunities beyond its immediate neighbors in Central Europe.
In 1630, he declared war on Mali, seeking to improve the safety of his new possessions on the African Coast. Mali was by far the largest, wealthiest and most advanced of African nations, having maintained close trade links with the Mediterranean world for centuries. Its leaders had fought many previous wars against European powers, particularly Denmark, and had learned a great deal from them. But while Mali’s Westernized Central African Infantry and Chambered Demi Cannons were not to be trifled with, Sultan Mamadu Ouadane was a child, and his claim to the throne was weak.
Though Mali had fought European powers often enough, the wars had generally taken place in the Atlas Mountains and any would-be invaders who hoped to threaten the country’s core had faced a daunting trek across the Sahara. But Ferdinand III smashed Mali’s small fleet and transported his army to the West African coast, directly threatening its capital. The young Sultan was forced to capitulate and surrender his coastal provinces in 1632. This was a grievous blow, cutting Mali off from the sea. It was almost inevitable that it would result in the drying up of the great caravan routes that fed Timbuktu as trade would shift to the coast.
Having secured the coast, Ferdinand returned his attentions to Europe. He had long coveted the wealthy city of Genoa, even if its trade had suffered in recent decades from intense competition with Venice, Pisa and Sardinia. In 1638, he decided the time had come to evict the Doge from his ancestral home, and though Genoa had a mighty fortress, it lacked the army to defend it. The starving Genoese surrendered the following year. The Doge fled to North Africa where he still held two landlocked provinces, Genoa’s long history as an important player in Mediterranean trade was over.
Shortly afterward, the Austrians returned their attention to Africa, seeking to expand their holdings. But by this time the Sultan had grown into a man, and the troops were far better trained than they had been in the past. A long and bitter struggle ensued which Ferdinand did not leave to see the end of, with the Austrian colony at Trarza being captured and lost by the Malians several times. It was not until 1652 that peace was concluded with Austria triumphant once more. King Maximilian of Austria and Navarra took possession of two inland provinces and compelled the Malians to retract all claims to the lands captured in the previous war.
Austria was not the only European country active on the continent. Leinster was building colonies on the north shore of the Gulf of Guinea, while Berry and Denmark concentrated their efforts further south and east along the coast. The Danish settlements and the slave trade soon led to tension with neighboring Kongo. In 1639, Karl I Rantzau gave up all pretense of peaceful coexistence and declared war.
Initially, it seemed Karl did not take the war very seriously, however. Kongo was a far more primitive nation than Mali, and he did not deign to send many troops to defend his colonies which were captured by the Kongolese in 1641. But in 1649, he decided enough was enough and landed a real Danish army on the shores of Africa. Soon, he had not only recaptured the old colonies but occupied the entire nation of Kongo. In 1652, Denmark laid claim to the entire land which had once been Kongo and the tribal chief was in no position to dispute the supremacy of the Europeans.
West Africa in 1654:
The Europeans are making rapid progress in Africa, only a hadnful of ports remain in the hands of native powers. Very satisfying to see Leinster establish an ourpost, I'm hoping they can build on it.
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AUSTRIAAA! :angry:
First Navarra and now this - leave Mali alone, I like them :sad:
First Navarra and now this - leave Mali alone, I like them :sad:
At this rate, we might even see Germany form in this game instead if VII.
What's the blue splotch in the middle of Mali?
What's the blue splotch in the middle of Mali?