Christ, I literally just wrote a vague plan for three series of six episodes each...
This was supposed to be a joke!
This was supposed to be a joke!
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Christ, I literally just wrote a vague plan for three series of six episodes each...
This was supposed to be a joke!
Unless that is the real innovation being proposed - A Comedy AAR with no jokes. It's happened before, but never deliberately.It might still be! In fact, it is meant to be!
Unless that is the real innovation being proposed - A Comedy AAR with no jokes. It's happened before, but never deliberately.
Update
I'm not dead, just coming to the end of a very busy work week. The next chapter will be published tomorrow.
LeJ
Looking forward to it.Update
I'm not dead, just coming to the end of a very busy work week. The next chapter will be published tomorrow.
LeJ
Pfft. It's barely been 10 days, a gap that is too miniscule to even be called a gap. Unless standards in the HOI4 forum have fallen even lower than I had previously feared.*poke poke*
The stick doesn't lie, folks. He's not dead! Cancel the pyre and parade.
Pfft. It's barely been 10 days, a gap that is too miniscule to even be called a gap. Unless standards in the HOI4 forum have fallen even lower than I had previously feared.
There is a pervading sense of rudderless-ness though to the British situation. The oxygen is being sucked up by the domestic spectre of the King's marriage and the foreign spectre of the Spanish War. One can sense it surround Vansittart like a fog, getting him wet without even raining.
I had no idea that much of the Olympic pageantry is a Nazi inheritance. I suppose the whole "celebration of youthful athletic glory" schtick does fit quite well with the fashier elements of 1930s Europe.
As others have said Vansittart is a joy in this, though in part this may just be because I agree with his views on future events so am pre-disposed to like him. In any event he was the perfect choice to observe the Olympics and the fluff and ceremony around it.
It may have been 1936, but there were still plenty of drones around. Enough perhaps for them to form a club, with Bertie Wooster there to brighten things up? I can almost imagine him competing in some obscure sport at the Olympics as one of those gentlemen members of the British team (think supporting characters from Chariots of Fire), entertaining the team with songs accompanied by the banjolele, and getting into some horrid scrape with the local constabulary - stealing a Stormtrooper’s hat or some such.
Someone really wants to write Rupert Bear books. But with Nazis...
Also is the pigeon thing OTL? Those poor yanks...
The Great Big List of Madhouse AAR prompts and Ideas
(from A Royal Prerogative)
Bravo all round I say.
Excellent work TBC. Please be sure and keep it updated as more ideas develop.![]()
Will there be a prize for the most outrageous and unreasonable idea that could still feasibly work as an AAR?
I echo the love for this, I am delighted that you have done this, @TheButterflyComposer - as I say it's threadmarked so let's get some work done on the ideas. Oh, wait...Umm...possibly? Especially as I think some of these might actually end up written at some point, even just as one shots in a collected edition. Something might happen on that score when I have reliable Internet again.
I quite enjoyed doing the collation though, very similar to the summaries of Butterfly Effect done months ago...as for keeping it updated the old practice was to put it on a forum blog post but I think pd killed them in the last grear sweep.
Everyone just remember comment #512.
The main thing stopping me doing L'Or L'Or as my post King Haakon project is the horrible realisation I would have to buy HOI4 and some DLC to get a 1930 mod to base it on.
Of course I could just make it all up completely with no reference to any game at all and hope no-one notices or cares. But that sort of thing is not quite cricket for an AAR forum, so I am reluctant to take that path.
@El Pip - On the contrary, it is an old and honored AAR-Land tactic. I'm not sure if it has been used lately, but I know of a number of classic works that hang 'very loosely' upon a game.
As music depends on rules to close off possibilities, so does writing. If you are told you can write absolutely anything you might stare at a blank page, overwhelmed by possibilities. But if you start making choices (and eliminating others) then the shape becomes much more perceptible and writing (and plotting) becomes easier.
A Paradox game, for our authorial purposes, can be a construct around which we form a narrative and whose events we may use as plot-points. It would be perfectly possible to write such a perfect simulation that no-one would guess the author's creativity had replaced the game underneath - it was done, at least once, that I know of.
Tell you what, why don't I play a test game focusing on french fiance and the metropolitan area and let you know what happens?
Not to be too shameless by using my own work as an example, but, well, it is an example. Echoes is a 175,000 word (and counting) opus based off exactly seven years of Vicky 2 gameplay. I went into the game knowing what scenario I wanted to play out, then I stopped playing as soon as the infamously iffy late-game Vicky engine started doing things I wasn't a fan of.
Since we are talking about insane prompts and stuff of that nature, I have just now been informed that there is a series online that serves as a sister series to Thomas the Tank Engine. The rub is, its set on the mainland NWR that Sodor links to, which makes it a nightmarish hell for trains and staff alike as they try to stay alive and sane under the insane and incompetent rule of the Thin Git and his goverment/private enterprise masters.
I'm currently reading Lords of Finance and, as previously stated, a lot of my degree and personal reading was and has been on this stuff. I'm therefore happy to act as part-time consultant on international finance in the 20th Century for any attempt to write L'Or, L'Or. Like 1901, it would be a good excuse to brush up on my own knowledge.
It really does seem like the trailer for L'or, L'or! Fall 2021 seems increasingly and disturbingly likely. What would be best, you all think? An actual script layout or traditional narrative AAR just set out like a comedy show? I am totally up for writing/helping write this but need to actually check what a french hoi4 fame looks like first just for reference. As everyone has said, it's not vital, but would be nice to have...
I was thinking of doing it as script layout and really leaning into the homage, complete with a central Rennie type character who talks to the audience and does the exposition. I also really wanted to get the ridiculously plots going, I had half mapped out an idea around 'the Madagascan gold' which the banker are trying to pretend is both still in Madagascar and in Paris (so they can count it twice), so lots of iron bars painted gold, fake bars and trying to dodge League of Nations inspectors who keep trying to actually count how much Gold France has.
I will just pipe in to note that the subtitle of the forum is, and has been for many years AARs, LPs, and Fanfiction - For ... ten years now? A goodly long time anyways.
In other words @El Pip you cannot use "But that sort of thing is not quite cricket for an AAR forum, so I am reluctant to take that path. " as an excuse![]()
Wait, so can we actually use my French-somalian pirate idea then? Seems ideal for Madagascar episode.
I certainly think so, much swapping around of bars and confusion as to who has the fake gold and who has the real stuff. It's that or the A-Team option;
In 1930 a group of French bankers and economists was told to make Paris the Financial Capital of the World. These men promptly realised they'd been asked to do the impossible and escaped to a maximum starred Parisian restaurant. Today, still being paid by the government, they survive as the French Central Bank Open Market Operations and Precious Metals Reserves Committee. If you have a current account deficit... if no one else can balance your payments... and if you can fund their expense account... maybe you can hire... The L'Or L'Or Team.
Hon, hon, hon, honhon, hon (to the A team theme).
So maybe this episode kicks off with the gold being stolen by pirates, and the French team panicking because of course, if the gold was in paris like they said, that should be impossible. So they either have to tell everyone what they did, hunt down the pirates or fake a pirate attack on the paris gold vault and 'steal' the bullion themselves.
They do this, only for the actual pirates to show up on holiday, not realising that the loot they stole from Madagascar was acrually french in the first place. The team decide to hire them to break into the paris vault to put the gold back, leaving the pirates off with a holiday in France, the french team with the gold back in paris and the wankers at the parisian gold exchange looking like idiots having been broken into by the same pirate crew twice in one day.
I know it breaks the previously stated idea of the outside world never even being mentioned but, since we're bringing in Somali pirates;
It is September 20th, 1931, a pair of Bank officials show up in Paris with an offer to sell a substantial amount of British gold. As die-hard supporters of the Norman school of thinking, the English are of course utterly insufferable about it, gnashing their teeth, driving a hard bargain, generally thinking they're ending Sterling as a world currency by doing what they're doing. As the Englishmen leave, practically sobbing in public over the fate of England in the elegiac way we've learnt to deal with any setback, our French protagonists toasting expensive champagne to the coup they have performed by robbing Britain of the most precious metal, the script has the camera pan down to the - naturally binned without a first, much less second, glance - foreign section; L'ANGLETERRE A ABANDONNÉ L'ÉTALON-OR.
The third world is fine. Made up names where appropriate of course. So not Somalia but sunnymayliac. Maybe the French map maker was just drunk that day.
Wait so the main guy has to hide from his team that he's very obviously sleeping with several random advisors from differing economic schools? And the joke is when he is found in comprising positions, he strenuously denies they were talking about anything other than the gold standard? Is his name Jean Paul Succour?
Possibly could have John Maynard Keynes, in a silly hat and bad accent, as an officer crabtree type character trying to get France to agree to the idea of a proto-Bancor.
In the last update I notice the main characters seem to have no great dislike for the Germans - mild distaste, perhaps, but no more so than is expressed for the French or the Americans. Historically, when did this change?
Well the Nazis were pretty much just extreme or less subtle versions of late victorian imperialists (both British and non) with various ideas of race, the might of civilization, fanatical pride in the homeland that never was etc. The distaste before the war came mostly from people who found them a little too obvious, a little too lacking in 'good excuses' for their ambitions (since they were always fairly upfront about what they were going to do to minorities and conquered peoples) uncouched by various comfortable late victorian excuses.
@TheButterflyComposer - that is a perspective I had not quite seen. I will share the wrath by saying that I agree that it is true today.
The Nazis were pretty open about what they wanted to do - but not, perhaps, the lengths to which they would go to achieve it. That's why the revelations at the end of the war were so deeply shocking, I think. That and the recognition that where the Germans had gone others could go also - no-one was immune.
'Beware the perils of pure logic, Spock. Humanity can't live with a purely rational answer.'
As we've discussed, there was a lot of apathy and indolence about in British politics (and elsewhere) in the 30s. An energetic and active system, one which was visibly getting stuff done, even if you didn't agree with what was being done, was going to look attractive to some. Particularly when the reality of the actual progress (or lack of it) and the terrible costs were being kept hidden.
There was also the moderately widely held view that Germany had been treated badly by Versailles, no-one was wildly passionate about the subject but there was a certain degree of sympathy that, for example, the Rhineland should either be a bit of Germany or taken away, not mucked about with so much. Th
To drag things back to the subject, in 1935 Eddie VIII (when still PoW) was calling for better understanding with Germany "to safeguard peace" and was threatening to make a full state visit to Germany when he became King, in order to help improve relations naturally. The general principle, that co-operation with Germany was better than confrontation, probably was fairly popular, particularly given no-one really knew what was happening in Germany and, besides, everyone knew the Communists were the real threat.
Must… not… take… the bait.
I literally cannot discuss this as per forum rules. I most certainly cannot say go and look at the banned topics and indicate they did all of them.
Never said they were nice, particularly not the Belgians, but there are surely obvious fundamental differences. Pol Pot did the entire banned list as well, but no-one calls him a Nazi. Because it is possible for other ideologies to do unpleasant things, no matter what the internet may tell you.
Fundamentlaly I disagree with your position that the main difference between, say, the Marquess of Salisbury and Hitler was the facial hair and that Hitler was a little bit more extreme.
Didn't really mean to imply ideological similarities between 19th century liberalism and 20th century facism but in practice, they did much the same thing to conquered peoples, just for different reasons.
I harbour the same pedantic streak, but same as you only as applied to my own AARs.
If we’re looking for some OTL shenanigans, financial scandals in London and Paris and a fictitious third world country to boot, then perhaps the great (whatever) grandson of Gregor MacGregor to could invite everyone to by a parcel of land in Poyais? More a Vicky2 era character I suppose, but who cares? Certainly a truth stranger than fiction life story of someone who always seemed to get away with a tragicomically bigger lie than the last one.
Christ, I literally just wrote a vague plan for three series of six episodes each...
This was supposed to be a joke!
It might still be! In fact, it is meant to be!
Unless that is the real innovation being proposed - A Comedy AAR with no jokes. It's happened before, but never deliberately.
It may yet happen, but probably not by design...
*poke poke*
The stick doesn't lie, folks. He's not dead! Cancel the pyre and parade.
No worries![]()
Looking forward to it.
Pfft. It's barely been 10 days, a gap that is too miniscule to even be called a gap. Unless standards in the HOI4 forum have fallen even lower than I had previously feared.
No, no, these amateurs barely scrape a week without posting something. They have no concept of majestic pacing.
Good things come to those who wait.![]()
This was the inner sanctum his real court, his Camelot.
Shifting next to him, David Lloyd George seemed similarly puzzled. The two had agreed to travel together, burying past differences, recalling their occasional alliances, and relying on shared experiences. Lloyd George had muttered that the tension building in Whitehall felt, to him, ‘very 1914’, before quipping that it could be ‘rather 1911’; Churchill had readily agreed, before ruing the older man’s choice of precedents.
(wearing, Churchill realised immediately, a new, presumably made up livery)
Neither Churchill or Lloyd George were old or fit men
They both put their best ‘face’ on it, agreeing, seemingly psychically, to offer a slight bow to her. The King was visibly pleased (or, Churchill wondered to himself, is it relief?), and her tight smile confirmed that they had made a wise decision. She seemed to preen in the face of this genuflection. Churchill sensed that Lloyd George shared his feeling of desperately bitter distaste.
Baldwin,” his mention of the Prime Minister was laced with scorn “is resisting my will.” Churchill noted the emphasis on ‘my’.
Churchill wondered about that. He liked Lloyd George, but knew that the Welshman wanted to be relevant again, wanted it as badly Churchill himself. He wondered if the Welshman wouldn't create as much chaos as he could. “The big thing, here, is not to slow it down.”
“Some form of statue, perhaps a declaration that Your Majesty is unfit to rule. Baldwin and Laing would demand that you abdicate to save the constitution and the Church of England.”
For some reason this had me giggling maniacally...
Threadmarked
I echo the love for this, I am delighted that you have done this, @TheButterflyComposer - as I say it's threadmarked so let's get some work done on the ideas. Oh, wait...
Pleeeeeease, Pippy. 'twould be hilarious.
Yes! Do it!
There you are - we have a financier / experty thing. It does prompt a thought that we have a random assortment of real-world experience on this and other threads: academics, engineers, architects (which are not the same as engineers, even though it still involves designing and building stuff).
A script would be hilarious.
So I'm just going to let this stream of consciousness and depravity run its course apart from...
Pleeeeeeeeeease do this.
a la Wilson and his approach
Marvellous
Also...absolutely no one blinked an eye at the existence of The Other Railway. Did you all already know about it or has this thread just got so mad that grimdark Thomas the tank is by the course?
“Lawn, I see your point,” Lloyd George said without thinking, using the Welsh word for ‘yes’, “but I’m not sure that’s right Winston.”
and Boothby.
Shameless be dammed. Your work is a masterpiece and in my top three of all AARs.
The wild truth is that there is no Welsh word for yes,
They are both young and fat?
I’m sure you had little idea, given everything else treated in the above chapter, that you’d be stepping on so great a landmine by invoking the Welsh word for ‘yes’. The wild truth is that there is no Welsh word for yes, and that one’s response to a question is entirely dictated by the verb used in the question itself.
‘Iawn’ is like ‘right’ or ‘okay‘, which of course works fine. But I couldn’t resist delving into Welsh grammar so humour me please.![]()
I hated reading the ancient Welsh chronicles. Mostly Latin, but when they went Welsh they really went welsh and it makes no sense.
Blast it! Amended on both counts, and thanks!