A V2-like POP system for EU4?

[murlocmancer]

I don't think that is the main thing EU series is about so I wouldn't care for it. Sure it would be cool but I prefer better colonization systems and this exciting trade stuff
Venice here i come

 

[Mirza Khan]

Let's put this to bed early. There will be no Victoria 2 POP system in EU4. The Victoria 2 POP database is huge undertaking to create in an era when countires did censuses, it is even harder when you don't have these. A POP database is also CPU intensive to use and a lot of work to code (increasing the odds of slow downs and bugs). So we would really need a pretty amazing reason to use one in EU4. We haven't thought up with one so we are not going to do it.

Well, I can certainly understand your reasoning here-V2 barely runs on my computer anyway, and I can see what you mean about how hard it would be to research.

Do you think it would be possible to reflect cultural diversity a little though? Maybe each province gets a pie chart showing its cultural and religious makeup. Even a more simplified, Dei Gratia-like system where you have a "large <religious minority> community" or "insignificant <religious minority> presence" would be good.

Oh, and congratulations on the announcement, btw! EUIV looks like its going to be pretty good!

 

[Jaol]

What about culture/religion percentages? As in Province X is 75% Turkish, 25% Greek; 50% Sunni, 30% Orthodox, 20% Shiite.

That's really what most people want anyway.

 

[Nimic]

I really hope we won't see POPs in EU4.

 

[RedRalphWiggum]

I wouldn't want to see POPs, but pie-charts would be nice. Probably not worth the time it would take away from other features though.

 

[Naselus]

I'd quite like a strata system, where the population of a province is just divided into groups - like rich-middle-poor, and these groups can have separate revolt risk and taxes etc. I wouldn't want to see a giant population management thing going on in EU, tho.

 

[Herr Doctor]

I'd quite like a strata system, where the population of a province is just divided into groups - like rich-middle-poor, and these groups can have separate revolt risk and taxes etc. I wouldn't want to see a giant population management thing going on in EU, tho.

There was similar feature in CK1.

 

[tvremote84]

I don't mind the fact that there won't be a pop system, but if they handle religion/culture the same way as they did in EUIII they will have sorely missed an opportunity to improve the game.

 

[Draky]

That would be nice

 

[Poulern]

A simple Piechart/percentages like the way total war: Shogun 2(Or ETW, NTW) does it would perhaps be the best system. You could make a rough estimate for how each prov culture and religion would develop during the 400 years(Most of them wouldnt change all that much either)

I for one would not mind errors with such an system, since ingame input would change it so rapidly and patches could easily change it, and most people i know only play from the start so an error in 1673 wouldnt cause an upheaval.

I however realise it is too late, but maybe for EU V?

 

[Seelmeister]

I wouldn't want to see POPs, but pie-charts would be nice. Probably not worth the time it would take away from other features though.

I definitely like this suggestion; it would be good from a flavour point of view if provinces weren't homogenous. Pops would seem inappropriate, as there is very little detailed population date available for the period so at best it would be an educated guess. For most of the EU3 period state bureaucracy was underdeveloped by modern standards, and even now we cannot get a precise number for the population of cities. Rulers in the EU timeframe did not know how many people lived in their realm.