A weird combination

[Archaalen]

EEP and the official betas seem to mix oddly. For example, the Golden Horde has the culture Altai, yet none of their provinces are this culture. They're all Mongol or Russian, neither which they get. Was this intentional, to make the Horde break down easier, or is this just a fluke? Correct me if i'm wrong, but "Altai" is a mountain range in Mongolia, yes? Were the cultures all that different, or did they just run out of ways to screw the Horde over?

 

[Garbon]

In the vanilla gc, Altai culture exists in the provinces of Sibir and that corridor east of the Ural PTI.

 

[Archaalen]

Yes, but why is Altai the culture for the Horde (and thus later Crimea)? Why not Mongol? Are the two significantly different? If so, why is it that the Altai comprise the nobility of the Golden Horde, rather than Mongols? I'd think that since the Horde is deriving it's legitimacy as being a successor state of the Mongol Empire, they'd at least have Mongol culture.

 

[Waffen9999]

Yes the game made a FUBAR with Altai culture even in the Siberian corridor. I sure as heck wouldn't refer to the people who lived there as people of the Altai mountains. Probably Mongoloid of some sort no doubt but not Altai. Just happened to be a generic culture they decided to tag the area with. As to why the Golden Horde has it, it's the same reason that the Mamelukes have been given Cuacasian culture. To yes make them weaker so they'll break easier when it's time for them to die. It used to be that the Mamelukes were Shiite, but they changed the religion back to Sunni and instead changed the culture. Yes the Golden Horde should probably have Mongol culture, and surprisingly enough you could probably argue for Russian but that'll never happen and shouldn't.

 

[Archaalen]

Oh, Okay. Personally, I liked the Shiite solution better for the Mams, since that meant they couldn't have royal marriages with the OE and they got an extra tech penalty. The culture thing works fine for the Mongols, though.

 

[Captain Frakas]

But Mamelouks never be Shiite (in real life) !

 

[Archaalen]

Nor were they Caucasian, they were a Turkic people. Turkoman would probably be better.

 

[Norrefeldt]

I disagree.
The Mamelukes were Circassians, a Caucasian people speaking a North Caucasian language. In this group you also find some thirty other languages, the most known ones are perhaps Abkhaz and Chechen-Ingush. Check out Ethnolgue.com.

 

[Archaalen]

I stand corrected, then. However, that does not make the same true for the Golden Horde. At very least, when they become Crimea, they should gain Mongol as a culture. Were the Russians still under direct threat of total annexation by them by the time they became the Khanate of Crimea? Maybe they could gain it as a benefit of releasing either Kazan or Astrakhan.