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Fnuco said:
Is this approved by Austria?

If so, this is the Polish counter-offer:
Anhalt, Hannover to HAB.
NAP (date of ending to be decided)

Sweden is gracefully offered a White Peace and NAP.
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The NAP is very tempting, but what conditions are related to that? I mean, last time we had an agreement to defend against OE, but due to some actions on my part, that agreement was canceled. So, what would be the conditions for a NAP? (assuming we get a French player), If there are no conditions, I would consider taking the NAP in place of a German province.
 
nobodyreal said:
The NAP is very tempting, but what conditions are related to that? I mean, last time we had an agreement to defend against OE, but due to some actions on my part, that agreement was canceled. So, what would be the conditions for a NAP? (assuming we get a French player), If there are no conditions, I would consider taking the NAP in place of a German province.
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? Pick the option HAB, you want 3 provinces, Nap.

Or 2 province, Nap + Sweeden WP with poland.

Which One?

In my opinion, NAP is so easily to be broken in some situation. It's not always a gaurantee pack
 
_King_of_Pain_ said:
? Pick the option HAB, you want 3 provinces, Nap.

Or 2 province, Nap + Sweeden WP with poland.

Which One?

In my opinion, NAP is so easily to be broken in some situation. It's not always a gaurantee pack
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I believe most players honor NAP. From my understanding, if we take three provinces we cannot get a NAP, and that means that Fnuco's retribution may be fierce. Fnuco is honorable, and the reason why he dishonored the agreement to ward off the Ottomans is simple, I refused to allow him military access in his war vs you. Now, I'm just wondering if this NAP is going to be like our agreement to ward off the OE. That is, I go to war with France and am on the verge of accepting peace, but Poland thinks this nullifies our NAP and so declares war on me.

I just want to have the conditions for the NAP clarified. Personally, I think two provinces to me and Holstein to Sweden would be good, but it doesn't look like Poland is willing to give up three provinces. That leaves us with two options, accept two provinces given to HAB, or continue to fight the war and convince Poland to give up three provinces. I, for one, am not in favor in continuing the war.

I wish to welcome Poland back into friendship with Austria, and I request that the Polish monarch tell me what peace terms can be accepted and restore friendship between our two great kingdoms.
 
Some slight changes in Polish foreign council put all previous diplomatic talks on hold.

However, if i make a NAP, i respect it, just to let you know i consider NAPs the holiest pacts in EU2. NAPbreakers, on the other hand, are always fair game to me. I always enter NAPs trusting, because i know on my part i respect them, and if the other doesn't, it won't be hard for me to find others to gang him ruthlessly, since NAP breaking is severely frowned upon by all.

But, i repeat, for the time being all offers are on hold, since i have something VERY important to clarify with someone, and i might be continuing the war.
 
nobodyreal said:
I wish to welcome Poland back into friendship with Austria, and I request that the Polish monarch tell me what peace terms can be accepted and restore friendship between our two great kingdoms.
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WP and NAP would be utmost sign of friendship.

That offer from AB would be accepted immediately, regardless of the secret diplomatic situation mentioned above, which needs clearing up.
 
Fnuco said:
WP and NAP would be utmost sign of friendship.

That offer from AB would be accepted immediately, regardless of the secret diplomatic situation mentioned above, which needs clearing up.
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White peace is asking for a little much. Though that looks attractive to me, I'm not sure how Sweden and Spain would feel about that, after loosing so many troops and ducats.

Two options :

1) Two provinces and end war
2) Continue war and demand three provinces.

regardless of the secret diplomatic action, I do believe that peace for Poland will be the best option for your country. Alba is still kicking and Spain has a large enough economy to have troops to suppress rebels in colonies and in mainland, Me, I still have peace with OE for about 3 more years, so that allows me to invest wholeheartedly in this war.

I suppose the third option would be one province for HAB, and also a NAP signed with all 4 of the members of this alliance, including their allies. The NAP must be extensive, to insure that you don't corroborate with the new France and simply strike back with a vengeance. In this deal, you will still be able to keep both of your CoT's, and it would insure for the peaceful expansion of nations like England,Sweden, and myself. I propose to extend the NAP for 50 years.


Again, Spain and Sweden must express their opinions. If, however, Grabah does decide to switch to France, I urge him to continue out this war as Sweden, and to consider what would be best for the nation of Sweden.
 
whatever you decide, I'll keep funding the enemies of my enemies, I don't mind who. :) and you can be sure I'll be extremely generous.

About my european policy, I'm already satisfied. Moreover I want to express my good will towards Austria by signing a NAP if Poland's happy with her deal with them.

I want to improve economy and solve some religious conflicts next session. Obviously I will respond severely against those who choose to disturb me. Even more if my economics objectives aren't successful.
 
Ulschmidt said:
whatever you decide, I'll keep funding the enemies of my enemies, I don't mind who. :) and you can be sure I'll be extremely generous.

About my european policy, I'm already satisfied. Moreover I want to express my good will towards Austria by signing a NAP if Poland's happy with her deal with them.

I want to improve economy and solve some religious conflicts next session. Obviously I will respond severely against those who choose to disturb me. Even more if my economics objectives aren't successful.
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Really, props for your OE.

I don't know if I can wait till next week lol, I say two sessions next week! :-0
 
nobodyreal said:
Really, props for your OE.

I don't know if I can wait till next week lol, I say two sessions next week! :-0
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Here, here! :cool:
 
grabah said:
been on a trip just got back,
seems i got to do some reading to catch up.
i allready stated my peace terms.
so please dont negotiate naps for me..
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Of course grabah :)

As I've said, the peace deals will have to be clarified with you.

PS : Those were not proposals, just ideas for all of the members of the alliance to agree upon.
 
Russian Tsar thinks Poland has suffered enough damage yet. Really, Poland was becoming a threaten but now he has been stopped. Now, it seems a gang is beating Poland.

Russian people and army CANNOT allow this agression anymore. So, Tsar seriously claims Poland enemies to sign a white peace before next session.
 
Duque Alesandro said:
Russian Tsar thinks Poland has suffered enough damage yet. Really, Poland was becoming a threaten but now he has been stopped. Now, it seems a gang is beating Poland.

Russian people and army CANNOT allow this agression anymore. So, Tsar seriously claims Poland enemies to sign a white peace before next session.
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would Tzar care to explain reasons behind these threats?
and against who are they exactly pointed.
or perhaps Tzar allready treats poland-lithuania as his personal fief witch is under his general protection?
no offence to Tzar of all russians but this seems as a big turn in his policy..
 
grabah said:
would Tzar care to explain reasons behind these threats?
and against who are they exactly pointed.
or perhaps Tzar allready treats poland-lithuania as his personal fief witch is under his general protection?
no offence to Tzar of all russians but this seems as a big turn in his policy..
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The recent deal between Poland and Russia implies military cooperation.

As a result, if Poland would be at war at the start of next session, Russia will be invited to the Polish alliance, therefore being involved in all of Poland's wars.
 
Duque Alesandro said:
Russian Tsar thinks Poland has suffered enough damage yet. Really, Poland was becoming a threaten but now he has been stopped. Now, it seems a gang is beating Poland.

Russian people and army CANNOT allow this agression anymore. So, Tsar seriously claims Poland enemies to sign a white peace before next session.
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This reveals much about the character of the Tsar. Perhaps out of game friendships and sympathy are the reason for this. Poland was the aggressor from the start, plain and simple. Fnuco was able to play the victim card and do some complaining about ganging and the Russian Tsar bought in.

After all of the costs of this war and the outright aggression shown by Poland, not to mention it's backing by the OE, do you think it just that you join in and ruin the peace agreements? White peace after all of the damage inflicted on our economies? Ask England about the damage caused, or Spain's war exhaustion in the colonies. This is just going to hurt Poland more, and potentially hurt Russian expansion eastward if you make an enemy of Sweden. To continue the war for Poland will be disastrous. WE already at 18% and inflation at 10%, and instead of giving up three german provinces, which wouldn't damage the economy nearly as much as the continued war will, Poland seeks Russian help?

Listen, this is not unreasonable. Poland lost a war, and now we are trying to sign peace. Not unreasonable terms of peace mind you, especially not considering the economic damage that other countries have faced.

Duque, don't play into this political scheme devised by Fnuco. This is not a win/win deal. You could take those Lithuanian provinces much easier then fighting Me and Sweden, and not to mention, the long term rammifications of this. If we win this war and you don't join in, peace will ensue. All we want is three provinces and then a return to peace. We are even allowing Poland to keep Mecklemburg at this point.

Here is my proposal Fnuco : Call off the Russian Tsar, and we will take three provinces, Holstein, Annhalt, and Hannover. 2 to aus 1 to SWE. If you don't call of the peace, Mecklemburg will be taken along with Holstien. Your choice.

EDIT : also, I hoped for reconciliation with Poland and a period of peace after this war. But if this war is continued and peace not signed, be assured that enmity will exist between us.
 
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Tsar was just trying to stop that suicide war. He's dissapointed :( because you all decided keep fighting. Or do you really think Fnuco is going to sign peace loosing three provinces? (Specially when a France player is comming).
 
His Majesty Henry VIII, King of England and Ireland, Overlord of Scotland, has sent private dispatches to realms abroad.
 
As Oe stated, it prefers to improve economy, it's Poland's choice to risk and go on.
 
Duque Alesandro said:
Tsar was just trying to stop that suicide war. He's dissapointed :( because you all decided keep fighting. Or do you really think Fnuco is going to sign peace loosing three provinces? (Specially when a France player is comming).
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Poland will end up signing peace for three provinces. That is sure. If you joined the war, all it would do is extend the war and cause Spain to take this war more seriously. It wouldn't help Poland. Once peace is signed we will work to establish peaceful relations with Poland and give her years of peace to rebuild her economy. If this war drags on, all it is going to do is increase the hostility between our two nations. If peace is not signed before the start of next session, I will take Mecklemburg and Holstein once we force peace on you via stabhit. Now THAT will destroy your economy, considering Mecklemburg is more valuable to you then 5 German provinces combined. Be smart, take the peace and work on rebuilding your country, don't doom it in this way.

NOTE : If you feel your country is unplayable after this, I would suggest comparing your country to Sweden. You will have richer provinces and 2 CoT while Sweden has none. If Sweden can hang in the game, I think also that you can loosing 3 provs.

On a practical note, the german provinces are not even helping your economy incredibly, Fnuco. There is cultural and religious difference. Allow peace to be signed and then some remnant of prosperity may come to our countries and allow the nations of Poland and Austria to become great friends once again.
 
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