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Well, since I consider myself complete with the features of the Mameluks I thought about continuing with Swabia. I noticed that they seem to have the same monarchs as Habsburg Austria and that Archduke might have a plan for them already... that's ok by me, my only idea was to give Swabia the option to gain italian culture sooner or later (I thought about changing the only event for Milano, making the Swabian dynasty option A, giving them italian culture and later on perhaps cores as well).
Why?
Well, the combination of the cultures german and italians don't exist as of now and neither does it exist in the GC. I just think it could be interesting...
Of course, it's ok by me if we scrap all this if Swabia isn't meant to become a medium or large power in the game...
 
Swabia is planned as a medium power, prolly only really viable in SP.

Milano, sounds good, something like that came to my mind. Swabia should be a bit like Aberrated Habsburgs who stayed in Switzerland and thus prevented it from forming.

They should be a protestant power and be the adversary of Bavaria going as far as allying with the Hansa and others.

That's all there is from me. I am currently stuck fixing my mess with Hansa and then I move on to Bavaria.
 
Just a reminder: I am planning some stuff for Milano. Perhaps a event path for Milan becoming the HRE could be planned however? Italian, german culture and all that stuff?
 
Medicine Man said:
Just a reminder: I am planning some stuff for Milano. Perhaps a event path for Milan becoming the HRE could be planned however? Italian, german culture and all that stuff?
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Sure, it could even be the other way around with Milan dominating Swabia...
But I could let you finish what you've started before I make any action of my ideas (I wasn't planning on doing anything substancial in a time anyway).
 
As soon as we are done with the majors, all minors should have some sort of viable SP experience, so even if Milano is sort of doomed to be dominated, she should have player-wise ( a valid) choice to be free.

Nubia and her event b choice with it was just a decoy comes to my mind. Excellent idea here, Kaigon!
 
The Swabian plan:

Swabia will be quite a strong party really early on but will be struck quite hard when the reformation arrives and will eventually be gone or minimized after the great war in Germany (Swabia joining the Hansa League and probably crushed by Bavaria).
 
Further:
In Aberration we don't have Austria. Instead all the austrian monarchs were made dukes of Swabia. But the dukes of Tyrol and Styria/Carinthia are also Habsburgs and I suppose you don't want them to join with Swabia sooner or later.
Suggestion 1: Either Swabia or Tyrol/Styria isn't ruled by Habsburg dynasty
Suggestion 2: There will be two dynasties of Habsburg, one in Tyrol/Styria and one in Swabia

I'd like to go with suggestion 1 where at least Styria isn't ruled by Habsburgs. Instead I suggest that either Baden or Wurtemberg should be ruled by the former Styria-line of Habsburg.

Another problem is that Albert V of (Austria/)Swabia married the daughter of Sigismund, the HRE. However, he does not exist as HRE (only as monarch in Bohemia/Hungary). Should Albert V still marry Elizabeth, the daughter of Sigismund or should he rather marry another daughter of the HRE (which is Bavaria)?
It would be ok if Albert V didn't have any children at all, since then the Wurtemberg line would take over.

I might have got quite a bit wrong, so please, feel free to correct me.
 
I think removing Ladislas Posthumus would be good, because as Albert dies you would have only one Habsburg line to worry about. Iirc the plans on Hungary didn't include Posthumus in them anyway.
 
As you like really.;)

Tyrolia can be Habsburg and Baden/Schwaben also a branch.

But keep two things in mind: Swabia is no major, and such she won't get many, many events like for example the Mamelucks.

And the Habsburgs should be only a shadow of their strength in the normal history, they should more look like a satire.
 
TheArchduke said:
But keep two things in mind: Swabia is no major, and such she won't get many, many events like for example the Mamelucks.

And the Habsburgs should be only a shadow of their strength in the normal history, they should more look like a satire.
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Perhaps this is not what the case will be, but I though of them being a medium power in the beginning of the game until the Reformation, which should stop them quite a bit and then they'll either be a puppet of Milan or completely crushed by Bavaria.
 
Kaigon said:
Perhaps this is not what the case will be, but I though of them being a medium power in the beginning of the game until the Reformation, which should stop them quite a bit and then they'll either be a puppet of Milan or completely crushed by Bavaria.
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Makes sense, Savoy or Burgundy aren't in that picture?
 
TheArchduke said:
Makes sense, Savoy or Burgundy aren't in that picture?
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Burgundy will most likely get a free cb for 10 years in the middle 15th Century and I've completely forgot about Savoy.
I testplayed one time and Burgundy did the most unholy of all things, they allied with Bavaria and Savoy. A bit later I faced them all in a huge war. Luckily the Hungarian-Bohemian-Polish alliance together with Genoa-Siciliy alliance saved my day by DoWing that unholy alliance... I got away that time quite cheap, but I would've been dead otherwise... :eek:

Btw, I sent you the files...
 
No discussion, you get two thumbs up on this :) , although I ask you to come up with an idea for the Habsburg/Swabia/Milano shield to make it a valid choice. Also we must consider how the milanese player can react to Ai choices.

Also Milano will prolly renamed minor_mil as Genoa is our big playert there, I hope this is ok.
 
TheArchduke said:
No discussion, you get two thumbs up on this :) , although I ask you to come up with an idea for the Habsburg/Swabia/Milano shield to make it a valid choice. Also we must consider how the milanese player can react to Ai choices.
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I could do it, but I'm unsure if I'm trespassing upon the area of Medicine Man. (He has Genoa, right? But also a lot of ideas for Milan if I got it right).
TheArchduke said:
Also Milano will prolly renamed minor_mil as Genoa is our big playert there, I hope this is ok.
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If you're renaming the file, it should actually be minor_mlo as the tag is MLO and not MIL (MLO = Milan/Lombardia I guess). And it's ok by me, unless were sorting out some medium nations.
 
I guess we keep it sort of minors and majors.

Kaigon, what would be awesome if you could help me with either burgundy ( some work needed), Bavaria (big time work needed), Hungary (some work needed) or the Teutonic Order ( big time work needed).

I don't want to push you but those are the majors that desperately need more coverage, I plan to do one or two of them myself fully soon, but I would need help.

We can then flavourize every minor nation also a bit but those should come first..
 
TheArchduke said:
I guess we keep it sort of minors and majors.

Kaigon, what would be awesome if you could help me with either burgundy ( some work needed), Bavaria (big time work needed), Hungary (some work needed) or the Teutonic Order ( big time work needed).

I don't want to push you but those are the majors that desperately need more coverage, I plan to do one or two of them myself fully soon, but I would need help.

We can then flavourize every minor nation also a bit but those should come first..
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No problem in taking care of a major... I'll see what I can do (put I think I'll take a few days off first, brainstorming a bit and so on).
 
Kaigon said:
No problem in taking care of a major... I'll see what I can do (put I think I'll take a few days off first, brainstorming a bit and so on).
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Sure, can't wait for it. :cool:
 
I'll tackle the Teutonic Order if you don't mind, Archduke.

Once I'm done Genoa, for the moment, I'll have Milan, Sicily, the Iberian Reconquista (epo_iberia), Tuscany, the Papal States and the Teutonic Order. What should be my first priorities out of these? Personally, I think I should clean up epo_iberia and then tackle one of the majors (Milan, Sicily or TO).
 
Exactly.:)

Milan is still planned as a major or is Genoa? I doubt we have place for three major powers in Italy or we plan to.
 
TheArchduke said:
Exactly.:)

Milan is still planned as a major or is Genoa? I doubt we have place for three major powers in Italy or we plan to.
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In reality, there will be only one major in Italy during any given game -- although there could be coexistence between Genoa and Sicily. So I suppose we could call Genoa, Sicily and Milan all "potential" majors.

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Between Milan, Sicily and the TO, which would you want me to move onto next, Archduke?
 
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