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Rulthar

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Dear Paradox Team,

i know about the political situation of Deus Vult. I know the alt-rights are using it to proclaim their propaganda to wipe out the middle east. But please let me make a suggestion and consider it: Keep Deus Vult in the game. Why?

Most of the people playing your game know about the use of this words in a historical context. People on social media are often loud and offended, but they are a minority and not your main player base.

I am from germany myself and we are having problems with nazis and their "stealing" of phrases and symbols too. They used the swastika and made a symbol of luck into a symbol of hate. Many of them, at least in germany, like vikings and their symbols/letters. So you could delete vikings too. Some radical muslims use the word jihad as a word for fighting the christians/western. Shall we remove that word too?

You see, if you start removing things like "Deus Vult", you can search for many more "modern" usage of historical words and remove them, but:

Don't do this! The nazis have done so much damage over the history. War Crimes, killing people because they had the wrong religion/culture or were handicapped/disabled and for many more reasons. They have tainted symbols and occupied countries and so much more crimes, you all know what they have done.

And not just the nazis, every radical group has done damage, too.

Every time we censore something of culture/art or historical context to please people, it feels like another victory for radical groups. Censoring something it not the right way. The right way is to educate people and teach them the origin of such phrases, not giving in to their propaganda and censore our art and culture.

I hope you reconsider the use of Deus Vult. I am a long-time paradox fan and hope you keep up the good work.

Best regards,

Rulthar
 
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For a game that includes incest, torture, war, murder of infants, I’m not sure why Paradox decided to draw the line at a very historical phrase that was used during the Crusades, and is not historically inaccurate at all.
 
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Lets make a bet on how long this thread lasts until the admins lock this one... and then they'll nuke it from orbit.
I'm guessing... 30m tops.

PDox policy regarding people talking on their forums about their game and game design choices:
No discussion allowed.
Just buy our game and DLCs.
 
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In my 39 year long life, I have seen political correctness grow from a cultural localized thing where you were frown upon but still accepted for not following the consensus, to a global thing where you are closer to a terrorist or fascist. I am not kidding. A jew threatened to kill me a year ago because I said I don't approve of Israeli Zionism; a cop threatened to arrest me for suspected terrorism not that long later because I dared to say my country (Belgium) shouldn't have endorsed the wars in the Middle-East.

Same thing with idealism, honest conscious statements, ... Before you were a great thinker, or maybe a bit strange, but now you are a danger to the global society; a society that rewards psychopath behavior and is molding it's people to very narrow-minded drones. Last spring the extreme-lefties (real socialists who want to rebalance wealth) together with the extreme-righties (who have an anti-globalist economic view) won the election in my country, and they were marginalized in the press, even deemed as dangerous for society. Off course, the parties who lost big time made the new government. That's democracy anno 2019, folks.

I have to mention the yellow vest movement in France here. For almost a year, tens of thousands of people have gathered each Saturday on the streets of Paris for a more honest and equal society, and the media - the few times they mention them - marginalize them to oblivion. These people dare to say the truth in a world based on lies, we should treat them like heroes.

Media projects us the idea that we become more free day by day, but it is obvious to me that the opposite is happening. More camera's, more rules to follow, less possibilities in all ways of life. It makes people more and more miserable and miserable people are so easy to manipulate.

I understand that global businesses follow these trends, because if they don't, they get marginalized by official and so-called independent media and that will hurt sales. The dictatorial way PDX treats his customers on the forum (every threat with a tiny bit of possible unpolitical correctness gets closed) brought me already to the do-not-throw-any-more-money-to-them-side and when talking with people it seems I am not the only one.

TLDR
Not using the phrase in CK3 will not make the game worse or better, but the image PDX has does affect sales, and this will hurt that image way more than they think right now.
 
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It all because of "guilty" culture fenomen in modern europe. Ask muslims about jihads or japanese about Rape of Nankin...
 
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Honestly not surprised that Paradox is becoming more progressive, considering they're based in Sweden. I'm just shocked it happened to Crusader Kings, considering the things you can do in CK2. I mean wtf, in the recently updated crusades someone even shouts "Deus Vult" when the crusade starts!
 
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