Add Provence and Draguignan to the HRE. They were a part of it until 1482 and the treaty of Arras.
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It's only a fairly short amount of time, it'd need an event similar to N. Italy. And then it would need changing to Anjou, with the capital in Angers, otherwise it would always stay. It's quite a bit of effort for a very small thing. I would rather see an event for East Frisia joining the Empire.
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It's 37 years and its capitol was Provence, there is no reason to change these things. The Burgundian Succession Crisis was tied to this in real life so I don't see a reason why when that fires Provence couldn't get a similar ultimatum to the shadow kingdom event. This would be incredibly easy to implement.
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To be frank, there need to be more events concerning the fall of HRE: the Swiss leaving, United Provinces declaring independence, so why not add something about Provence by the way? Hell, the game could be even more dynamic with the decay of the empire, with some countries being able to leave if they are not satisfied by the way the league war ended and AI could be taught how and when to remove provinces from HRE.
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There's a bit of history to Provence being outside the HRE. In EU3, the province of Provence was in the HRE (and was Provence's capital)... which routinely led to AI France getting itself facewrecked by the Emperor when it tried to reclaim Anjou.
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http://gallica.bnf.fr/m/ark:/12148/bpt6k937412/f499.item.r=traité d'Arras 1482
The treaty of Arras 1482. I could not find an english or german copy but my friend found one in old french.
The treaty of Arras 1482. I could not find an english or german copy but my friend found one in old french.
For that matter, the HRE needs to be better reworked so that the only path isn't for it to centralize. That's pretty much all it can do; it can't actually decline in power or authority, just get stuck at something until a player gets fed up and manually dismantles it.
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There's also the somewhat esoteric automatic-dismantle condition, which usually only manifests in connection with weird outcomes to the League War period: no country is eligible to be Emperor.
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Well that and the things that made it stronger is what really made it weaker. The HRE worked great with the stem duchy system a few very powerful vassals, then when barbarossa dismantled that the entire empire hinged on the strength of the imperial throne and when that failed after the fall of hohenstaufen it all came crashing down. It should be a balance where the emperor should want powerful members while keeping them happy enough not to leave.
Also the Hapsburgs clinging to the imperial throne didn't help things.
The HRE mechanics are very odd if you ask me.
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It sort of makes sense to me, a strong Emperor can protect and reclaim imperial lands along with adding new ones = stronger empire and more reforms.
Meh emperor can't do much but might be able to stop large chunks being eaten so it stagnates with no real advancement.
Weak emperor = France+Scandinavia+Poland eat chunks and the empire is a joke.
Meh emperor can't do much but might be able to stop large chunks being eaten so it stagnates with no real advancement.
Weak emperor = France+Scandinavia+Poland eat chunks and the empire is a joke.
A strong emperor isn't a strong empire though. The stronger the emperor the more the nobles feel their position is threatened. If you want the empire to be strong you need to restore the nobles faith in the empire which means the emperor giving up power to the system.
You can't bully the imperial princes. Ask Charles V.
Since no dev has replied I'm gonna bump this. Provence and draguignan should be a part of the HRE. There could easily be an event or chain of events either creating an inheritance or linked to the succession crises. It would also make the nation far funner to play.
I think I read in another thread that @Trin Tragula handles map changes?
I think I read in another thread that @Trin Tragula handles map changes?
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This is about Burgundy, not Provence. Perhaps there is a better text in another page, but I don't have the time to read all 700 pages to find it.
Yes there is. The treaty only begins on that first page but has to go through titles and formalities before dealing with the division of lands including the cessation of Provence from the HRE amongst a ton of stuff regarding Burgundy which was still being split apart at this time.
Now I'm curious, I briefly read the 20~ pages, but there was nothing about the "Comté de Provence" or such things. Can you pick the number of the page about Provence ? Not that it bored me, but I don't want to read more about St-Omer, Arras, or Jacques de Savoie.
I agree that Provence should be part of the HRE at the start of the game. Provence only, so not Anjou or Maine. This map shows the situation in 1400 so before the games start with Provence still being in the HRE:
France should simply inherit Provence like it did in history after the younger line of the Anjou dies out as the french king was the cousin of he last Anjou in Provence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_lands_of_France#Reign_of_Louis_XI
Aren’t there events e.g. for Austria to gain a personal union with Bohemia? If so France could get a similar event to that with Provence.
France should simply inherit Provence like it did in history after the younger line of the Anjou dies out as the french king was the cousin of he last Anjou in Provence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_lands_of_France#Reign_of_Louis_XI
Aren’t there events e.g. for Austria to gain a personal union with Bohemia? If so France could get a similar event to that with Provence.
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One of the devs already said Provence wouldn't be added to the HRE, because it would screw France for no reason.
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Yes Trin Tragula never replied to me even when I asked if they could simply add an event in for provence.