Add Provence and Draguignan to the HRE. They were a part of it until 1482 and the treaty of Arras.
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In what way would it screw France? At the start France is not supposed to attack and conquer Provence, but to fight against England and perhaps Burgundy. And when the younger Anjou die out they are supposed to inherit their lands.
FRA even has an event about the inheritance of Naples that assumes that the Anjou died out and the Valois took over their claims.
So what difference does it make to France if the two southern provinces of Provence are within the HRE?
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No idea I have tagged him before in various posts and he never replies. Than if someone quotes me and tags him he replies. Might have me set to ignore because I have been pushing for this to be fixed for a while now.
I'll go ahead and quote Trin on this:
(The mentioned post by Vaxmillion being-)
I think this might be a little bit of a generalization, but Trin (and I believe a few others) have commented on the decision behind this before in other threads, and given that time on the forums is time spent away from their work I can't necessarily blame them for taking the time to post the same stuff over and over again.
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Time for forum replies is limited (and I tend to do it a lot in my spare time even so, like today) if a question is repeated often despite being recently answered it's not always I have the time to reply again (if so I try to answer new questions instead).
I dont put posters on ignore since I started working here and I wouldn't just because someone tags me.
Sometimes I also save a thread to reply later when I have the time, in some case the question may be repeated again before I get the chance to.
Sometimes I also wait until I can give a definite reply and sometimes I wait because I hope to see more good ideas in the thread
In other words there can be many reasons a thread goes unanswered but you can be sure it's not going unread.
Keep in mind devs are devs, we spend our work time working on the game and the forums move quickly (as an example, I remember answering 5 different suggestions threads during a weekend and none of them being on first page the Monday after).
I try to reply when I can but if I don't get to a particular one I hope you won't assume it's personal
As an aside between me and Guillaume I believe your questions in the thread Grand Historian linked to were answered @Dracolithfiend
So now if not before I hope you feel you know why Provence is where it's at (a decision that I might add goes back to eu3). As for if it might change:
It might at some point. I'm not convinced hard scripted inheritances is the best case for every place on the map though, it makes the game more rigid and less dynamic.
That said we strive to be as accurate as possible and revisiting Provence (and to some extent savoy's imperial status would be nice if we find a solution we're happy with for it).
Especiallt now that the capital is properly in Anjou, I won't rule it out for the future but I also can't promise anything.
We are certainly aware of it though
I dont put posters on ignore since I started working here and I wouldn't just because someone tags me.
Sometimes I also save a thread to reply later when I have the time, in some case the question may be repeated again before I get the chance to.
Sometimes I also wait until I can give a definite reply and sometimes I wait because I hope to see more good ideas in the thread
In other words there can be many reasons a thread goes unanswered but you can be sure it's not going unread.
Keep in mind devs are devs, we spend our work time working on the game and the forums move quickly (as an example, I remember answering 5 different suggestions threads during a weekend and none of them being on first page the Monday after).
I try to reply when I can but if I don't get to a particular one I hope you won't assume it's personal
As an aside between me and Guillaume I believe your questions in the thread Grand Historian linked to were answered @Dracolithfiend
So now if not before I hope you feel you know why Provence is where it's at (a decision that I might add goes back to eu3). As for if it might change:
It might at some point. I'm not convinced hard scripted inheritances is the best case for every place on the map though, it makes the game more rigid and less dynamic.
That said we strive to be as accurate as possible and revisiting Provence (and to some extent savoy's imperial status would be nice if we find a solution we're happy with for it).
Especiallt now that the capital is properly in Anjou, I won't rule it out for the future but I also can't promise anything.
We are certainly aware of it though
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After wiz left it stopped being a rule that we mark the first post helpful after having read a thread. I will start doing so again now in the hope that it will make it more transparent to the OP of a suggestion if his voice has been heard
Can't make any promises for the other devs but I will bring it up with them after the holidays.
Can't make any promises for the other devs but I will bring it up with them after the holidays.
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Provence and Draguignan provinces in the HRE, but Provence's capital in Anjou so that Provence isn't an Imperial prince (and thus not protected by Austria at game start). Then, if France (or someone else) conquers those provinces, Austria can ask "return territory".
Would this be more accurate without causing gameplay issues?
Would this be more accurate without causing gameplay issues?
It would be a similar situation to Burgundy which rules HRE provinces too and where as far as I know noone objects that France would be maimed by Burgundy having provinces in the HRE.
However I do think that Province and Draguignan should be part of the HRE *and* Provence be the capital of Provence.
Provence was historically not conquered by France in a war but inherited because of the relationsship between the Valois and the Anjou that later allowed the Valois to claim the Kingdom of Naples.
So the simple and historic way would be that France gets a Personal Union over Provence after the death of King Rene and that the provinces of Provence and Draguignan are removed from the HRE when they are in the possession of France. That *is* possible using gamemechanics, just as the "Shadow Kingdom" event removes italian minors from the HRE.
Edit: And if that for some reason won’t be done I find it more important to have the capital of PROVENCE in Provence. Let only Draguignan then be part of the HRE.
If the capital moves to Anjou the country should no longer be named provence but Anjou.
Another edit:
After reading Trin Tragula’s response in the other Provence thread and reading
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjou#French_duchy
I think that Angers in Anjou should be Rene’s capital at the start of the game and only later in 1471 should he move it to Provence.
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I just find it odd that in another thread I had brought this up. You replied to the OP and once someone else quoted me and tagged you there was a reply. Meanwhile this thread predates that one and had you tagged as well. You really cant blame me for suspecting as I did. At any rate thank you for replying it is good to finally get an answer.
I'm still a bit confused as to why adding an event here will be the straw that broke the camel's back yet other nations are still getting events that shoehorn entire regions I.E. Crimea.
I'm still a bit confused as to why adding an event here will be the straw that broke the camel's back yet other nations are still getting events that shoehorn entire regions I.E. Crimea.
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That is why some patches ago was added event for Crimea to become march of Ottomans...
Anyway, i just want to see mechanics for decentralized HRE. And more accurate borders of HRE.
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I would love to see a redesign or HRE mechanics and Japanese Daimyo mechanics. They both need it but there are more pressing concerns such as sailors.
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I fail to see how are sailors(who will probably get removed soon) more important than changing obsolete mechanics influencing whole Europe and a good chunk of Asia.
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I do have an idea for letting Provence into the HRE while not causing France to get pummelled by the Emperor so easily.
If you attack a prince, but you're using a claim on non-HRE land, perhaps the Emperor doesn't get called in?
If you attack a prince, but you're using a claim on non-HRE land, perhaps the Emperor doesn't get called in?
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