Additional titular titles

[Martellus.]

So I feel as if the titular titles have not been looked at in some time, and I think there is some that deserve to be added, based on a combination of timeline mentions and empires that existed historically. I'm not really sure how to appropriately implement some of these and so I'm just gonna throw some ideas out into the open:

-The Empire of Armenia is mentioned a few times, the most notable of these is Tigrane's Armenian Empire. It definitely deserves a spot in-game.
-I am not sure if the Ptolemaic Empire title appropriately covers historical pharaohs, and there could be a separate title added for a potential pharaoh from Nubia: something like 'Hwt-ka-Ptah' could work for this title. At least one dynasty from ancient Egypt (the Kashta) is still around, so there is some justification for placing this in the game.
-The Latin Empire for one of the Crusaders, if they ever manage to make something of themselves. This one is less about historicity and more about gameplay/'rule of cool'.
-Something involving Assyria/the 'Ashuri' could be cool, but probably a bit out of the mod's scope.

Any other ideas?

 

[futuregary]

So I feel as if the titular titles have not been looked at in some time, and I think there is some that deserve to be added, based on a combination of timeline mentions and empires that existed historically. I'm not really sure how to appropriately implement some of these and so I'm just gonna throw some ideas out into the open:

-The Empire of Armenia is mentioned a few times, the most notable of these is Tigrane's Armenian Empire. It definitely deserves a spot in-game.
-I am not sure if the Ptolemaic Empire title appropriately covers historical pharaohs, and there could be a separate title added for a potential pharaoh from Nubia: something like 'Hwt-ka-Ptah' could work for this title. At least one dynasty from ancient Egypt (the Kashta) is still around, so there is some justification for placing this in the game.
-The Latin Empire for one of the Crusaders, if they ever manage to make something of themselves. This one is less about historicity and more about gameplay/'rule of cool'.
-Something involving Assyria/the 'Ashuri' could be cool, but probably a bit out of the mod's scope.

Any other ideas?

I saw some references to a High Kingdom of the Saxons, and added that in as part of the expansion. Armenia definitely needs to be added in.

We really should be careful just how far back we go. There were a lot of dynasties in ancient Egypt, and many of them stretch back a few thousand years before Alexander. Assyria is an interesting prospect, but as for coding in dynasties (could you imagine Gilgamesh?), it's a little... really really old. I would be wary of anything before 350 BCE; not saying we shouldn't or couldn't do it, but you're right, we do need to keep scope in perspective. Ancient Iron/Bronze Age cultures and dynasties are cool and all, but they should really be referenced more for lore and flavor than for actual gameplay.

As for the Latin Empire, there are all sorts of historical possibilities that could open up as the game progresses and history deviates even more. It could be possible to make things go the way they did IRL, or under completely different circumstances. I could see this as something like that; possible crusading titles is a great avenue for that.

 

[richvh]

I could see the Latin Empire being creatable if:
1) You are Catholic
2) You have the crusader trait
3) You hold whatever county Constaninople is in
4) You completely control at least one duchy in Greece (say, Athens)

 

[Martellus.]

I saw some references to a High Kingdom of the Saxons, and added that in as part of the expansion. Armenia definitely needs to be added in.

We really should be careful just how far back we go. There were a lot of dynasties in ancient Egypt, and many of them stretch back a few thousand years before Alexander. Assyria is an interesting prospect, but as for coding in dynasties (could you imagine Gilgamesh?), it's a little... really really old. I would be wary of anything before 350 BCE; not saying we shouldn't or couldn't do it, but you're right, we do need to keep scope in perspective. Ancient Iron/Bronze Age cultures and dynasties are cool and all, but they should really be referenced more for lore and flavor than for actual gameplay.

As for the Latin Empire, there are all sorts of historical possibilities that could open up as the game progresses and history deviates even more. It could be possible to make things go the way they did IRL, or under completely different circumstances. I could see this as something like that; possible crusading titles is a great avenue for that.

The primary reason I bring up Egypt is because the Kashta dynasty (in Kush) are presumably the descendants of the 25th dynasty, which rules from 760-656 BCE (their first ruler was named Kashta). The Nefertitids (in Khordofan) are presumably the descendants of Nefertiti, who lived around 1300 BCE and was the wife of Akhenaten. There is some historical basis for putting in the Pharaohs (especially since the Achaemenids, Argeads, and Ptolemaic dynasts all were the Pharaohs of Egypt). The term 'Pharaoh' itself begun use in the 18th dynasty, which is what I planned to trace Egypt back to. I think Ptolemaike Basileia or whatever the title is called covers the bulk of it, but I feel like it could be better named (or have exonyms/autonyms/whatever that reflect who is ruling it)

I would generally also disagree with 350 BCE as a point to start histories at since this leaves out the bulk of several dynasties that are in game (particularly, the descendants of the tribes of Israel, like David, banu Yaqub, etc.). While Assyria is basically a pipe dream, the Israelite tribes are still around in some form and so their history shouldn't be ignored. Furthermore, one of the formable titles is the United Kingdom of Israel, which hadn't been around since 930 BCE. I see your point, though, and I'll try to keep things within, say, 500 BCE with only a few exceptions (ancient Greece, Persia, Fertile Crescent).

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

So I feel as if the titular titles have not been looked at in some time, and I think there is some that deserve to be added, based on a combination of timeline mentions and empires that existed historically. I'm not really sure how to appropriately implement some of these and so I'm just gonna throw some ideas out into the open:

-The Empire of Armenia is mentioned a few times, the most notable of these is Tigrane's Armenian Empire. It definitely deserves a spot in-game.
-I am not sure if the Ptolemaic Empire title appropriately covers historical pharaohs, and there could be a separate title added for a potential pharaoh from Nubia: something like 'Hwt-ka-Ptah' could work for this title. At least one dynasty from ancient Egypt (the Kashta) is still around, so there is some justification for placing this in the game.
-The Latin Empire for one of the Crusaders, if they ever manage to make something of themselves. This one is less about historicity and more about gameplay/'rule of cool'.
-Something involving Assyria/the 'Ashuri' could be cool, but probably a bit out of the mod's scope.

Any other ideas?

The Armenian Empire is already in, as far as I know.

The Ptolemaic Empire doesn't fit with the Pharaohs, but we could have a title for pre-Ptolemaic pharaohs, Nsu·bt or Nesu-bit / Nesutbity (King of Upper and Lower Egypt).

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I'd like titles for the High King of the Visigoths and High King of the Ostrogoths.

I agree, the King of the Visigoths is, in theory, K_Gothia, but let's say this title has devaluated overtime. I'd like that Alaric and the rest in the family trees would have a titular High King of the Visigoths. The same for Theodoric the Great and the other Ostrogothic kings. They don't even need to be allowed to be created (or claimed), but they would be nice for the genealogies.

At least K_Ostrogoths is kind of necessary.

 

[Martellus.]

The Armenian Empire is already in, as far as I know.

The Ptolemaic Empire doesn't fit with the Pharaohs, but we could have a title for pre-Ptolemaic pharaohs, Nsu·bt or Nesu-bit / Nesutbity (King of Upper and Lower Egypt).

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I'd like titles for the High King of the Visigoths and High King of the Ostrogoths.

I agree, the King of the Visigoths is, in theory, K_Gothia, but let's say this title has devaluated overtime. I'd like that Alaric and the rest in the family trees would have a titular High King of the Visigoths. The same for Theodoric the Great and the other Ostrogothic kings. They don't even need to be allowed to be created (or claimed), but they would be nice for the genealogies.

At least K_Ostrogoths is kind of necessary.

There is Austrgothia, but i see the need for a king-level title that isn't Dioclea. And I don't think the Armenian Empire is implemented...

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

There is Austrgothia, but i see the need for a king-level title that isn't Dioclea. And I don't think the Armenian Empire is implemented...

I thought it was. I saw some screenshot with the CoA I made for him and I assumed someone had created it.

Austrogothia has the problem that it's not the same as the King of the Ostrogoths, and it's a title set in a specific place, I believe. But yes, Austrogothia will do for now.