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So I've a question on what we do about transliterations. Right now we have referenes to Panjab and Punjab. Punjab, as far as I know, is the more common spelling in English but leads to the mistaken thought that the pronunciation is poon-jab. The proper transliteration is panjabi but I don't think it is the most frequently used. On the current map the province is Panjab. We should probably pick one.
 
Garbon said:
So I've a question on what we do about transliterations. Right now we have referenes to Panjab and Punjab. Punjab, as far as I know, is the more common spelling in English but leads to the mistaken thought that the pronunciation is poon-jab. The proper transliteration is panjabi but I don't think it is the most frequently used. On the current map the province is Panjab. We should probably pick one.

That's the funny thing about English... A lot of words can easily lead to mistaken pronunciations. ;)

But yes, Punjab is what you'd be going for. It's how I've seen most English newpapers and friends of Punjabi origin spell it.
 
ThanatosHelen said:
That's the funny thing about English... A lot of words can easily lead to mistaken pronunciations. ;)

But yes, Punjab is what you'd be going for. It's how I've seen most English newpapers and friends of Punjabi origin spell it.

Yea, but names are a bit different. For instance, Anjali. We don't convert that name to Unjali, even though that makes the most sense using english phonetics.

That said I like Punjab best as I think it is the most common. On the new map it won't be as big an issue as we don't have a Panjab province.

@YM, so all texts in text.csv that are Panjab or Panjabi should be replaced with Punjab and Punjabi. This includes the culture name change for sikh.
 
Garbon said:
@YM, so all texts in text.csv that are Panjab or Panjabi should be replaced with Punjab and Punjabi. This includes the culture name change for sikh.
Of course, but what about the name of the province in province.csv?

If no change for the province, how can I be sure we are talking about the province or the country? In other words, are all texts refering to the country only?

Btw, it is already Punjab for the country (KSH tag) in text.csv.
 
I don't think we should change the province name as it gets confusing when they differ

Although we have punjab as a separate tag, there is not real thing as the Punjab country. It is just a province, so all references are to the culture and the province.
 
I checked all texts, "panjab" is nowhere to be found in text.csv. In events, Panjab is only the name of the province as comment for province #1521.

Only needed change:
CULTURE_SIKH;punjabi;;;;;;;;;;
 
Minor change for the name of this event:
Code:
#(1535) Succession crisis
event = {
	id = 30342
	random = no
	country = VIJ
	name = "EVENTNAME30342" #[COLOR=Yellow]Krishna Deva Raya's s[/COLOR][COLOR=Red]S[/COLOR]uccession crisis [COLOR=Red]of 1529[/COLOR]
	desc = "EVENTHIST30342"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1535 }
	offset = 90
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1536 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME30342A" #Support Achyuta
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 84 value = 3 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME30342B" #Support Rama Raya
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 84 value = 6 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
		command = { type = stability value = -4 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 0164513 } #Achyuta
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 0164514 } #Venkata Raya
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 0164515 } #Tirumala I
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 0164517 } #Sadashiva Raya
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 0164516 } #Rama Raya
		command = { type = wakeleader which = 0164804 } #Rama Raya (VIJ)
		command = { type = cav which = -1 value = 3000 }
	}
}
#-#After the death of Krishna Deva Raya in 1529, his half-brother Achyuta has ascended the throne. However, he was soon challenged by Krishna Deva's son-in-law Rama Raya and had to make him a co-ruler. Achyuta invaded Bijapur, while Rama Raya was running the administration. He appointed his friends and relatives, took 3,000 Muslim soldiers into his service, and in 1535 put Achyuta in prison, proclaiming himself king. Southern nobles rebelled against Rama Raya. While he was fighting them, Achyuta was restored to the throne, and Rama Raya had to step down.


Just weird to see 1529 in the history for an event happening in 1535...
 
Just wanted to quickly say (as I don't have the files on hand to post) that I realized that although we gave Mysore cores/events to help it perform conquests in the latter part of the 18th century, we forgot the crucial AI component. :eek:o Did a few tests and with the addition of an AI, Mysore does some conquering. Now if only we could get England to fit on the continent...
 
As reported here, modifications for Chief Minister Narasa in Vijayanagar:
Code:
#(1490-1503) Chief Minister Narasa
event = {
	id = 328058
	trigger = {
		monarch = 0164508 #Narasimha
	}
	random = no
	country = VIJ
	name = "EVENTNAME328058" #Chief Minister Narasa
	desc = "EVENTHIST328058"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1490 }
	offset = [COLOR=Red]360[/COLOR][COLOR=Yellow]180[/COLOR]
	[COLOR=Red]deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1503 }[/COLOR]
	[COLOR=Yellow]deathdate = { day = 14 month = october year = 1490 } #death of Narasimha[/COLOR]

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME328058A" #An excellent minister
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 2 }
		[COLOR=Red]command = { type = DIP which = 3 value = 156 }
		command = { type = ADM which = 2 value = 156 }[/COLOR]
		[COLOR=Yellow]command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 10 }
		command = { type = ADM which = 1 value = 10 }[/COLOR]
	}
}
#-#Narasimha continued his campaigns against Vijayanagar's invaders after he became king, appointing a man named Narasa as his chief minister. With the king gone from Vijayanagar for so long, Narasa became the real ruler of Vijayanagar from 1490. Narasa worked towards the restoration of central power that had been eroded in the previous decade.

New events:
Code:
#(1490) Narasa under Timma
event = {
	id = 328002
	trigger = {
		monarch = 0164509 #Timma
	}
	random = no
	country = VIJ
	name = "EVENTNAME328002" #Narasa under Timma
	desc = "EVENTHIST328002"
	#-#

	date = { day = 14 month = october year = 1490 }
	offset = 1
	deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1490 } #exact Timma's deathdate unknown

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME328058A" #An excellent minister
		command = { type = DIP which = 3 value = 3 }
		command = { type = ADM which = 2 value = 3 }
		command = { type = MIL which = 1 value = 3 }
	}
}
#(1491-1503) Narasa under Immadi Narusimha
event = {
	id = 328003
	trigger = {
		monarch = 0164510 #Immadi Narusimha
	}
	random = no
	country = VIJ
	name = "EVENTNAME328003" #Narasa under Immadi Narusimha
	desc = "EVENTHIST328003"
	#-#

	date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1491 }
	offset = 1
	deathdate = { day = 29 month = september year = 1503 } #exact Narasa's deathdate unknown

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME328058A" #An excellent minister
		command = { type = DIP which = 5 value = 168 }
		command = { type = ADM which = 4 value = 168 }
		command = { type = MIL which = 2 value = 168 }
		command = { type = setflag which = [Narasa] }
	}
}
#(1503) Death of Narasa
event = {
	id = 328004
	trigger = {
		monarch = 0164510 #Immadi Narusimha
		event = 328003 #VIJ: Narasa under Immadi Narusimha
		flag = [Narasa]
	}
	random = no
	country = VIJ
	name = "EVENTNAME328004" #Death of Narasa
	desc = "EVENTHIST328004"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1503 }
	offset = 200
	deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1503 } #exact Narasa's deathdate unknown

	action_a = {
		name = "ALAS"
		command = { type = DIP which = -5 value = 24 }
		command = { type = ADM which = -4 value = 24 }
		command = { type = MIL which = -2 value = 24 }
	}
}
EVENTNAME328002;Narasa under Timma;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST328002;Prince Timma succeeded his father Narasimha but was soon murdered by an army commander during a period of political unrest.;;;;;;;;;;

EVENTNAME328003;Narasa under Immadi Narusimha;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST328003;After Timma's murder, the faithful Narasa then crowned the other prince, Immadi Narasimha, but retained all administrative powers until his death in order to bring stability to the kingdom.;;;;;;;;;;

EVENTNAME328004;The death of Narasa;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST328004;Towards the end of his rule, Narasa had effectively carried on the dream of his king, Narasimha in protecting the empire's interests. He built a robust administration and an effective army. He had regained control over large domains in South India and kept the Bahamani Sultans and the Gajapatis at bay and brought the rebellious chiefs under control, making way for the golden era of Vijayanagar.;;;;;;;;;;
 
Decided to insert extra monarch for 1483-1722 period in light of potential independence from MOG_3822_B that I'm working on. Pls rem to renumber susbsequent monarchs. thx

Code:
#Nawabs of Awadh (JUT)

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 066011 }
	startdate = {
		year = 1483
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 9
		month = september
		year = 1722 
	}
	name = "Nawabs of Awadh *"
	DIP = 3
	ADM = 3
	MIL = 3
	dormant = no
}

EDIT - Added '*' as per new rule. EDIT 2 - Fixed id
 
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aylo1 said:
Decided to insert extra monarch for 1483-1722 period in light of potential independence from MOG_3822_B that I'm working on. Pls rem to renumber susbsequent monarchs. thx
Existing monarchs are never renumbered. Id for new one will be 066011.
 
Indian trading networks

Given the extensive trading networks of the Indian coastal states shouldn't they know the sea zones of the Bay of Bengal and the route to Malacca, as well as Malacca itself? I'm not sure if we'd run into problems with the neighbor bonus if we added the coastal provinces of modern Burma and Thailand, but I'm certain that they were known to the merchants of the time. This would be 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1141 1143 677 at a minimum.
Currently they only know the NW sea zones of the Bay of Bengal.

This would include Calicut, Cochin, Gujarat, and all of the successor states of Vijanyagar.
 
sturmvogel said:
This would include Calicut, Cochin, Gujarat, and all of the successor states of Vijanyagar.
Do you mean Vijayanagar should be involved in 1419 too?

And what about Travancore and Lanka?
 
Ok, Orissa and Bengal involved too then.

List:
Calicut, Cochin, Gujarat, Travancore, Lanka, Orissa, Bengal, Vijayanagar (and successor states).

Sindh and Bahmanid Empire too?