Exactly, if Macedonia wasn't so bloody huge a province I wouldn't have a problem with it
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Exactly, if Macedonia wasn't so bloody huge a province I wouldn't have a problem with it
What would folks think of an extremely time consuming set of events which would simulate the constant warfare on the Ottoman border? Bascially, events for specific provinces which would check to see if the Ottomans border that province. If they do, the province gets a revolt risk until the Ottomans no longer border the province.
Conversly, Ottoman border provinces would also have a revolt risk, as they got raided in turn.
Conversly, Ottoman border provinces would also have a revolt risk, as they got raided in turn.
I very like the setup proposed by MKJ and think it is the best map for Balkanes up now.
Ragusa was earning money on transport between Vernice and Levany, thus being astonishingly reach in comparison to size of the state. Dalmatia should produce wine, of course.
Ragusa was earning money on transport between Vernice and Levany, thus being astonishingly reach in comparison to size of the state. Dalmatia should produce wine, of course
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You never commented on my moving Armenia and Georgia around. Plus, you'd have a place to put Cherkessy and at long last, we'd have a place for Cicrassian culture.
I think Georgia is in the right place. Circassia was, like Dulkadir, an unfortunate casualty of the map.
Besides, Georgia is supposed to control the Black Sea, if Georgia isn't in Sochi, then Genoa will be, not Circassia.
Besides, Georgia is supposed to control the Black Sea, if Georgia isn't in Sochi, then Genoa will be, not Circassia.
If you make Georgia into Armenia and Georgia provinces then that would allow you to simulate the Persian and Ottoman situation there properly as Persia (up until the late 1700s) controlled the old Georgian capital but did not have access to the sea.
BTW what's wrong with making Sukhumi (Sochi) Genoese?
BTW what's wrong with making Sukhumi (Sochi) Genoese?
City of Sochi was founded in 1896 . There should be no port there and the province should be Circassia or native-controlled to be historicaly correct. Both solutions seems don't work with game concept.
This area was conquered only once. By Crimea in the mid of 16th cen. after 20 years of very bloody warfare (it was question of honour for khans that's why they didn't want to resignate) but lost in few years later. Formally Crimean control lasted to the end of 16th cen.
@Chegitz Guevara
I just don't know how to deal with the Caucasus to make everyone happy. Moving around Georgia and Armenia has its advantages but brings another problems, so I'm not convinced if it meets margin call.
. There should be no port there and the province should be Circassia or native-controlled to be historicaly correct. Both solutions seems don't work with game concept. This area was conquered only once. By Crimea in the mid of 16th cen. after 20 years of very bloody warfare (it was question of honour for khans that's why they didn't want to resignate) but lost in few years later. Formally Crimean control lasted to the end of 16th cen.
@Chegitz Guevara
I just don't know how to deal with the Caucasus to make everyone happy
. Moving around Georgia and Armenia has its advantages but brings another problems, so I'm not convinced if it meets margin call.
When was Georgia ever in control of the Black Sea. Once Constantinople fell, the Black Sea became an Ottoman lake.
Er I mean the black sea coast of Georgia, sorry. I must have been tired or something
Between 1481 and 1826, the Sultans of the Ottoman Empire regularly made an extra payment to the Janisaries to buy and insure their loyalty. Only the ruthless Murad IV was able to forego the payments. I have to do one event for every Sultan from Bayezid II on.
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24014
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "When Mehmed II died, his two sons, Beyazid and Jem vied for control of the Empire. Although Jem was half as far from Constantinople when their father died, through payments and promises to the Janissaries, Beyazid was able to secure the throne. These payments to the Janissaries became a tradition when a new Sultan rose to the throne, and failure to meet expectations could result in a Janisary revolt in the capital."
style = 1
date = { day = 3 month = may year = 1481 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janisaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -20 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24015
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Knowing Beyazid II was in ill health, Selim I sought to secure his position with the Janissaries with promises of payments on his ascention. Having gained their support, Selim then forced the abdication of his father, who died very shortly afterwards."
style = 2
date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1512 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -20 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24016
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Suleyman I paid the now customary bakshish to the Janissaries soon after his succession. He paid more than his father, and also gave money to the palace troops and functionaries."
style = 2
date = { day = 3 month = october year = 1520 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -30 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 20,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24017
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Selim II paid the now customary bakshish to the Janissaries soon after his succession."
style = 2
date = { day = 7 month = september year = 1566 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -30 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 20,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24018
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Murad III paid the now customary bakshish to the Janissaries soon after his succession."
style = 2
date = { day = 1 month = december year = 1574 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -30 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 20,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24019
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "By the time Mehmet III ascended the throne, the Janisaries numbered almost 50,000 strong."
style = 2
date = { day = 15 month = january year = 1595 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -60 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 50,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24020
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Ahmed I paid the now customary bakshish to the Janissaries soon after his succession."
style = 3
date = { day = 22 month = december year = 1603 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -60 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 50,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24021
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Mustafa I paid the now customary bakshish to the Janissaries soon after his succession."
style = 3
date = { day = 22 month = november year = 1617 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -60 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 50,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24022
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Osman II paid the now customary bakshish to the Janissaries soon after his succession."
style = 3
date = { day = 26 month = february year = 1618 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -60 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 50,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24014
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "When Mehmed II died, his two sons, Beyazid and Jem vied for control of the Empire. Although Jem was half as far from Constantinople when their father died, through payments and promises to the Janissaries, Beyazid was able to secure the throne. These payments to the Janissaries became a tradition when a new Sultan rose to the throne, and failure to meet expectations could result in a Janisary revolt in the capital."
style = 1
date = { day = 3 month = may year = 1481 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janisaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -20 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24015
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Knowing Beyazid II was in ill health, Selim I sought to secure his position with the Janissaries with promises of payments on his ascention. Having gained their support, Selim then forced the abdication of his father, who died very shortly afterwards."
style = 2
date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1512 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -20 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24016
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Suleyman I paid the now customary bakshish to the Janissaries soon after his succession. He paid more than his father, and also gave money to the palace troops and functionaries."
style = 2
date = { day = 3 month = october year = 1520 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -30 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 20,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24017
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Selim II paid the now customary bakshish to the Janissaries soon after his succession."
style = 2
date = { day = 7 month = september year = 1566 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -30 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 20,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24018
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Murad III paid the now customary bakshish to the Janissaries soon after his succession."
style = 2
date = { day = 1 month = december year = 1574 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -30 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 20,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24019
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "By the time Mehmet III ascended the throne, the Janisaries numbered almost 50,000 strong."
style = 2
date = { day = 15 month = january year = 1595 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -60 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 50,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24020
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Ahmed I paid the now customary bakshish to the Janissaries soon after his succession."
style = 3
date = { day = 22 month = december year = 1603 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -60 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 50,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24021
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Mustafa I paid the now customary bakshish to the Janissaries soon after his succession."
style = 3
date = { day = 22 month = november year = 1617 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -60 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 50,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
#The Bakshish#
event= {
id = 24022
random = no
country = TUR
name = "The Bakshish"
desc = "Osman II paid the now customary bakshish to the Janissaries soon after his succession."
style = 3
date = { day = 26 month = february year = 1618 }
action_a ={
name = "Pay the Janissaries!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -60 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
}
action_b ={
name = "I Owe the Janissaries Nothing!"
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = desertion which=-2 value = 50,000 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = 477 }
}
}
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Do you think for Suleyman and after I should add an "action_b=I owe the Janisaries nothing?" The effect of this would be to remove a certain number of troops (20K+), drop stability by six, and a couple of revolts in Thrace and Anatolia.
I think so.
I think so.
OK, don't know if anyone can help but:
As the Ottomans (1.07 + Beta 2.3) I got a wretched event upon Persia's creation. -6 stability and permanent revolt risk in any provinces Persia has CB's on (In my case Nuyassibin and Azerbaijan: both provinces I had CB's on).
I don't remember the name of the event, only the choice (there was only choice A... ): "Burn them all!". I couldn't find it in any of the TUR or PER event files that AGC is using. I haven't seen it before so it's either from the patch or from AGC. Anyone know what this event is and where it is (so I can delete it)? My Persian events (now that they're fixed) do a fine job on their own to ensure Persia's creation. -6 stability and permanent RR isn't needed.
As the Ottomans (1.07 + Beta 2.3) I got a wretched event upon Persia's creation. -6 stability and permanent revolt risk in any provinces Persia has CB's on (In my case Nuyassibin and Azerbaijan: both provinces I had CB's on).
I don't remember the name of the event, only the choice (there was only choice A...
): "Burn them all!". I couldn't find it in any of the TUR or PER event files that AGC is using. I haven't seen it before so it's either from the patch or from AGC. Anyone know what this event is and where it is (so I can delete it)? My Persian events (now that they're fixed) do a fine job on their own to ensure Persia's creation. -6 stability and permanent RR isn't needed.
It is a wretched event, isn't it? It lasts about thirty years, but under the wrong circumstances, it can be permenant. I tend to edit it out of my save game.
I edited out the RR myself as well (the Persian events already cover that anyway), but does noone know what the event is? We need to deal with it for Beta 3, after all. Every time I've gotten it it ended up being permanent.
It's just frustrating that I can't find it in any of the event files I looked through.