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I think it's wrong to represent KoI as a strong, unite country capable to cope with other counterparts, such as France or Spain. Italy has got its (political) union in 1861 only and there is a reason beneath. KoI should be a sort of a stronger HRE in a lesser scale.

I think that depends on the circumstances. I certainly can see a strong and assertive KOI arising (after a few decades of devoting it's energys to internal matters) if the founding state has a sufficient powerbase. From what I have read Gian Galeazzo Visconti seemed to have come pretty close to it.
 
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Good solution! Have you tested it?

This one should be replicated for all TAGS dealing with these events, however.

After I edited my last mistake (I forgot to remove COMMAND and the brackets from the line within the commandlinetrigger) the game starts and if manually triggered the event works - was a bit strange when my Ottoman Empire ceded Marche to the Pope and became Italy when I manually triggered the event ^^

Sure, those changes are not for the mantuan guelf event to become KoI only, but intended for ALL italian states guelf option.
 
This thread is to discuss the creation and events of the alternative history "Kingdom of Italy".

As described here
http://www.agceep.net/FAQ.htm#KoI
the Kingdom of Italy is only able to form if at the start of a game in OPTIONS "Kingdom of Italy" is changed from the standard OFF to ON.
 
If the pope receives 100 gold then you should PAY 100 gold and not 20.
You are right here but, as you can see, in several events there is not always correspondence in the events about paying a certain sum of ducats.
Edit: Perhaps a stupid question - but why do we have 3 events (guelf/Waiblingen/force) for each italian state? If the prime condition is that Lombardia has to be owned to be able to form the KoI why not just 3 province specific events for Lombardia for everyone who fulfills all the conditions?
I think it is due to the possibility to check and easily find out those events in each Italian State's event file when the current specific alt_italy event file was't yet provided by Yodamaster.

A consolidation of those events is however always welcome!
 
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This thread is to discuss the creation and events of the alternative history "Kingdom of Italy".

As described here
http://www.agceep.net/FAQ.htm#KoI
the Kingdom of Italy is only able to form if at the start of a game in OPTIONS "Kingdom of Italy" is changed from the standard OFF to ON.

The options of on or off should remain...there are equal numbers of players for each scenario
 
The options of on or off should remain...there are equal numbers of players for each scenario

I did not suggest to change that. My post was a reply to post *1* in this thread before the posts from the normal Italy thread were moved here in between.
 
I did not suggest to change that. My post was a reply to post *1* in this thread before the posts from the normal Italy thread were moved here in between.

I know, I just wanted to enforce it (options)
 
tried with Milan, but it seems to me too difficult, when i grow up (at best i made my vassals Mantua, Swiss, Lorrein, and get annex Provence and piemonte, it in early '500) occurs some bad events and some nations like papal states, venice, or france, decide to attack me.
And now i touched the lowest point so far, it's first quarter of XVI century, i lost every regions, and mantua is the only vassal remained, and suddently without show of events I became a vassal of spain :blink: , nothing appeared to me, at least an announcement :sad:
Reading in events register i read the happening of "the spanish road" for spain in same time of my getting vassal of spain, it may be the cause

by the way, what's the best strategy to unify italy with milan? but first, is it doable with this nation?
what's the best for do it?
venice? but they have ottomans to fight
naples? like milan it seems to me difficult cause bad events for foreign interference (aragon)

I play with difficulty hard and aggressiveness normal, and with AGCEEP
 
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tried with Milan, but it seems to me too difficult, when i grow up (at best i made my vassals Mantua, Swiss, Lorrein, and get annex Provence and piemonte, it in early '500) occurs some bad events and some nations like papal states, venice, or france, decide to attack me.
And now i touched the lowest point so far, it's first quarter of XVI century, i lost every regions, and mantua is the only vassal remained, and suddently without show of events I became a vassal of spain :blink: , nothing appeared to me, at least an announcement :sad:
Reading in events register i read the happening of "the spanish road" for spain in same time of my getting vassal of spain, it may be the cause

by the way, what's the best strategy to unify italy with milan? but first, is it doable with this nation?
what's the best for do it?
venice? but they have ottomans to fight
naples? like milan it seems to me difficult cause bad events for foreign interference (aragon)

I play with difficulty hard and aggressiveness normal, and with AGCEEP

From the AGCEEP FAQ:
How can I form the Kingdom of Italy?
by Norrefeldt

Formation of Kingdom of Italy is possible only if corresponding option is chosen.

There are three roads to forming the Kingdom of Italy. Only available for Savoy, Tuscany, Milan, Modena, Parma and Mantua.

The Guelf option
This path imagines a situation where a considerable force forms in the KoI that is politically tied to the papacy (or a member, so to speak, of the guelf faction). The pope, seeing a way to reduce the emperor's influence in Italy and therefore upon himself, decides that he will simply proclaim that this candidate is the rightful king of Italy.

Prerequisites:

principality, i.e. savoy, tuscany, milan, modena, mantua or parma as duchy
owns 5 provinces in the KoI (KoI is defined as piemonte, lombardia, firenze, siena, mantua, romagna and emilia), must include Lombardia. Piemonte is a mandatory for Savoy.
pope's relationship w/ candidate state + 190
max badboy 3
stability 3
alliance b/tw candidate state and Papal States
not a vassal of Austria or the Papal States
Papal States not a vassal of the candidate
religion catholic or counterreform
not at war
before Edict of Tolerance (1658-1660)

The Ghibelline option
This path imagines a situation where an large force in KoI emerges that is part of the ghibelline, or pro-imperial, faction. The emperor (Austria is always considered emperor here), seeing a way to vicariously increase his influence in Italy and strengthen his position vis-a-vis the Pope, decides to hand the crown to the candidate state (as had happened in medieval times).

Prerequisites:

principality, i.e. savoy, tuscany, milan, modena, mantua or parma as duchy
owns 5 provinces in the KoI (KoI is defined as piemonte, lombardia, firenze, siena, mantua, romagna and emilia), must include Lombardia. Piemonte is a mandatory for Savoy.
candidate relationship w/ Austria + 150
max badboy 5
stability 3
candidate in royal marriage w/ Austria
not a vassal of Austria, France or the Papal States
Austria not a vassal of the candidate
candidate in alliance w/ Austria
religion catholic or counterreform
not at war
before Edict of Tolerance (1658-1660)

The force majeur option
This path imagines a situation where a principality wrests by force the title of king from Austria and the Pope.

Prerequisites:

principality, i.e. savoy, tuscany, milan, modena, mantua or parma as duchy
owns 5 provinces in the KoI (KoI is defined as piemonte, lombardia, firenze, siena, mantua, romagna and emilia), must include Lombardia. Piemonte is a mandatory for Savoy.
Papal States is a vassal
Austria is a vassal
stability 3
religion catholic or counterreform
not at war
before French Revolutionary Wars (previously, Sabre Rattling, 1792)

Always save and reload after switching country tag!

Important: For those who forgot to select Kingdom of Italy option before starting a game...
(and don't understand why the kingdom doesn't form when all conditions are fulfilled...)

Open your savefile with a text editor and add:
event = "AGCEEP\Events\AGCEEP_Alt_Italy.eue"
on the same line where all other 'event =' directives are located.

Don't forget to make a backup of your savefile first, just in case.



What you get
You get cores on Piemonte, Lombardia, Firenze, Siena, Mantua, Emilia and Romagna. You get the leaders from the original state and Milan, but retain the original monarchs.
Finally, you get plausible events of the country that formed Italy and some province specific events.

So it´s not possible for Venice to form the Kingdom of Italy as Venice is a republic. Naples is out of the question as the Kingdom of Naples is outside the borders of the medieval "Kingdom of Italy" that can be formed in AGCEEP.

The event that makes Milan a vassal of Spain (as happened historically) won´t fire if you have changed Milan to Italy before.
 
finally mission accomplished with difficulty hard, with tuscany by ghibelline way










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to complete the previous post
just 160 years of kingdom of italy...
in early XVII century I conquered the "irredenta" Rome (was owned by ottomans!), then italy became rich and more rich by taxes of own rich provinces and monopoly in the trade center of venice, that moreover was a vassal of italy
the enemy was only the ottoman empire, a sustainable pressure, but then also spain, pressure grown up to limit, but italy resistered also by means of constant french friendship.
but then came austria with its modern (almost 10 levels forward than land tech of italy, france and spain!) army, and italy came back to tuscany in first quarter of 1700...


italia3.png




I'm almost arrived to 1789, and the situation is the same, so game over for this kingdom of italy

PS but I still have corsica :cool:
 
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Wow, rise and fall kingdom of Italy! Nice game)
Who were your allies?

when I was tuscany austria was my allied, while france and spain were friendly
but after one century of kingdom of italy (second half 1600) relation with austria and spain begin to fall down, and in 1700 happened war with overwhelming austria, only france was always my allied, but it could not save me

PS i forgot, also mantua was conquered by italy
PS2 badboy was 0 when austria began to attack italy
 
The FAQ was on the AGCEEP website
www.agceep.net
which is down again.

Several of the pages of the AGCEEP website I have uploaded
here:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...EP-website&p=16731711&viewfull=1#post16731711
This is not as a homepage, but as files not connected to each other or the graphics that would belong into the html pages. It´s not pretty but readable.
very useful!

being AGCEEP website often (or always?) down, if these FAQ uploaded by you were sticked on forum it will be great for noobs like me, a novice needs to read it to play well AGCEEP