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Herr Doctor said:
First of all there is a need to mention that Belarusian lands were giving to the Russian army extremely many recruits (about 15 % in the first half of XIX century, but the population was only 10 % from common of the Russian Empire – 4 millions). So, for example in 1812 there were 130.000 Belarusians in the Russian army.

Sure thing. Just add Russians distance and appearing logistic problems (food, ammunition and horse supply via rather bad russian road-net) to deliver to Neman river any Regiment from Orenburg or Irkutsk region.
If you start to see into Nation distribution in any Caucasian war and start to divide amount to participitaing Armenian guys onto whole number of Armenian population you would receive more striking (and confusing!) numbers.
Yep, it was one of big reasons for "overwhelming German infuence" in end of XVIII - mid-XIX century. Russia used to fight in these regions (against Sweden, Poland and in anti-Napoleonic expeditions) then local (German) officers and local (Lutheran lands raised) troops received upper hands in all local matters (but these military matters were MOST important matters for Russian Empire for this timespan).
As soon as any military activity in these regions were stopped - German superiority started to ebb away as well as Polish-Lithuanian (and Byelorussian ;) ). For recognizing this process in full scale - pls, answer how many Byelorusses took part in Turkish Campaigns of 1870s or in Russo-Japanese War?
(Small hint: there were more allied Romanians in Russian ranks in 1870s Campaign then Germans, Poles and Lithuanians combined instead of fact: according to military perceptions of those times - small detachments of German, Pole or Lithuanian troops showed more military prowess then whole Romanian/Wallachian army in each and every military conflict in whole course of previous military history. In spite of this not-argumentative (for military guys of those times ;) ) dogma - Romanians contribute majority of their military ranks (if we start to count them by your method).
Are you sure - if this fact is supporting your theory (I'm not sure what must be conclusion in this theory), based on percentage amount of Byelorusses to whole Byelorussian population, participitating in Napoleonic wars? (I've got a hunch - Armenian percentage of military participitants in any Caucasian war by this method would be higher then Byelorussian participitance in Napoleonic wars anyway ;).

Bash
 
French armies are alright, but "provincial" ones aren't:
#Aquitaine/Guyenne
AQU;Armée de la Guyenne #Army of Guyenne
AQU;Armée du Duc #Army of the Duke
AQU;Régiment de la Guyenne #Guyenne Regiment
AQU;Régiment de la Gascogne #Gascony Regiment
AQU;Armée Ducale #Ducal Army
AQU;Ordre de Lyon
AQU;Armée de la Gascogne #Army of Gascony
AQU;Armée de Limoges #Army of Limoges

#Burgundy
BUR;Armée du Duc #Army of the Duke
BUR;Armée de la Bourgogne #Army of Burgundy
BUR;Régiment du Franche-Comté #French-Comte Regiment
BUR;Armée des Pays-Bas #Army of the Netherlands
BUR;Régiment du Artois #Artois Regiment
BUR;Armée des Flandres #Army of Flanders
BUR;Hollandse Leger
BUR;Zeelandse Leger

#Orleans
ORL;Armée du Duc #Army of the Duke
ORL;Armée de Orléans #Army of Orleans
ORL;Premièr Corps #First Corps
ORL;Deuxieme Corps #Second Corps
ORL;Troisieme Corps #Third Corps

#Provence (shouldn't these be Occitan?)
PRO;Armée de la Provence #Army of Provence
PRO;Armée du Comte #Army of the Count
PRO;Première Armée #First Army
PRO;Régiment de la Provence #Provencal Regiment
PRO;Régiment du Languedoc #Languedoc Regiment
PRO;Deuxième Armée #Second Army
PRO;Régiment du Maine #Maine Regiment

Corrections:
#Aquitaine/Guyenne
AQU;Armée de Guyenne #Army of Guyenne
AQU;Armée du Duc #Army of the Duke
AQU;Régiment de Guyenne #Guyenne Regiment
AQU;Régiment de Gascogne #Gascony Regiment
AQU;Armée Ducale #Ducal Army
AQU;Ordre de Lyon
AQU;Armée de Gascogne #Army of Gascony
AQU;Armée de Limoges #Army of Limoges

#Burgundy
BUR;Armée du Duc #Army of the Duke
BUR;Armée de Bourgogne #Army of Burgundy
BUR;Régiment de Franche-Comté #French-Comte Regiment
BUR;Armée des Pays-Bas #Army of the Netherlands
BUR;Régiment d'Artois #Artois Regiment
BUR;Armée des Flandres #Army of Flanders
BUR;Hollandse Leger
BUR;Zeelandse Leger

#Orleans
ORL;Armée du Duc #Army of the Duke
ORL;Armée d'Orléans #Army of Orleans
ORL;Premier Corps #First Corps
ORL;Deuxième Corps #Second Corps
ORL;Troisième Corps #Third Corps

#Provence (shouldn't these be Occitan?)
PRO;Armée de Provence #Army of Provence
PRO;Armée du Comte #Army of the Count
PRO;Première Armée #First Army
PRO;Régiment de Provence #Provencal Regiment
PRO;Régiment du Languedoc #Languedoc Regiment
PRO;Deuxième Armée #Second Army
PRO;Régiment du Maine #Maine Regiment

Hope this helps.
 
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Herr Doctor said:
The Grodno Hussar regiment was created as I said in very late 1790s as the Life Guards (лейб-гвардия ). Probably participated in the French war etc It still existed in 1860s and I do no really know what happened with this one later ;)

I've just realized - we are speaking about different subjects.
Any Regiment created "as the Life Guards" fulfilled quite simple military purpose. Guard Regiments (only four of them) were quite special.

For example Graf von Benckendorff were appointed to Semyonovsky Polk in 1797 by special order of Emperor Paul I, but didn't serve in aforementioned Regiment at all. Instead of it - he was in personal guard for Empress Maria Fedorovna, studied (a bit) in Dorpat University, was sent into Caucausus with special scouting (spying) order, then was relocated in Corfu were created initial batch of "Ionic Policia" - future Ministry of Internal Affair of future Greece, then took part in Austerlitz battle (was commander of arierre-guard troops defending Russian retreat after striking defeat), then took part in whole next campaign (participitating in Preussish-Eylau and Friedland battles), then was sent into France as Attache on Cultural Affairs (actually he was chief resident of whole Russian spy-net in France in period of question). But whole times - he was invariably considered as "officer of Semyonovsky Regiment" and "Guardian" on this reason.
His actual entering of Semionovsky Polk occured only in 1821 when he was Full-Scale General of Cavalry, Chief of Security Forces - Personal Body-Guard of Prince Nicholas (future Czar Nicholas I) and His Family and etc.. and etc...
He received just post of Head of Staff of this regiment what was equal to Sub-Colonel status, but was quite happy about it - he became to be THIRD figure (after Czar of Poland Konstantine and Prince Vasilchikov) in SECOND Guard Regiment of Russian Empire (in other way - he received 13th post in whole Russian "pecking-order" of high-officials!)
It was real importance of "belonging to Guard Regiments" - guy who became second-in-power in Russian Empire from 1825 (He became to be Head of Third Department a bit later, when Second Department was rather weak-spot, and Head of First Department was Czar Nicholas himself.) was really happy to fill in Sub-Colonel post in this VERY important Regiment.

Then... There was "Guards" and "as Life-Guards" in Russian Empire ;).

Bash
 
Bash said:
Well, I'm sure we are on wrong path from the start. Our European friends from whole Europe as well as Greek guy used to presnt names with characters from national alphabets. Then I'm sure we must to follow the pattern with Cyrillic characters instead of Latin:

Главная Армия - Head Army
Первая Армия - First Army
Вторая Армия - Second Army
Третья Армия - Third Army
(Четвертая Армия - Fourth Army)
(Пятая Армия - Fifth Army)
(two last names shown for making VERY imaginative scenarios Russian Military/Navy tradition never used to make name with number more then 3. After this "magic" number some special adjective was used for specialized description. When these special description weren't enough (in second part of XIX century) tradition began to use - purely arithmatic notation with "-я" ending like that:
51-я Армия - 51st Army or
103-я Армия - 103rd Army.

After numbering forms let's turn to specialized names:

Северная Армия (Wehrmacht) - North Army
Дунайская Армия - Army of Danube
Кавказская Армия - Army of Caucausus

and etc...

if you've all necessary character sets I'm ready to continue Russian military names listing, but I'm sure - absolute majority of our readers are already baffled by strings of weird LATIN chars or Pseudo-graphic symbols. If not - let's continue, If yes - I know one China guy who is ready to send you names of China military in Mandarin form for hieroglyphs and one Japan guy who is jast happy to send you a lot of Japanese names in Hira-gana notations :).
Are you ready?

Bash

Even if this was possible(which I don't know), I'd say that no, this is not a good idea. Despite the fact that we do quite a few non-english letters, there is no reason that we should have words represented in native character sets. Thats even more confusing as it would be completely impossible for me to even relate to Arabic, Japanese, Chinese, Hindi, you name it, in their native alphabets.
 
Bash said:
Sure thing. Just add Russians distance and appearing logistic problems (food, ammunition and horse supply via rather bad russian road-net) to deliver to Neman river any Regiment from Orenburg or Irkutsk region.
If you start to see into Nation distribution in any Caucasian war and start to divide amount to participitaing Armenian guys onto whole number of Armenian population you would receive more striking (and confusing!) numbers.
Yep, it was one of big reasons for "overwhelming German infuence" in end of XVIII - mid-XIX century. Russia used to fight in these regions (against Sweden, Poland and in anti-Napoleonic expeditions) then local (German) officers and local (Lutheran lands raised) troops received upper hands in all local matters (but these military matters were MOST important matters for Russian Empire for this timespan).
As soon as any military activity in these regions were stopped - German superiority started to ebb away as well as Polish-Lithuanian (and Byelorussian ;) ). For recognizing this process in full scale - pls, answer how many Byelorusses took part in Turkish Campaigns of 1870s or in Russo-Japanese War?
(Small hint: there were more allied Romanians in Russian ranks in 1870s Campaign then Germans, Poles and Lithuanians combined instead of fact: according to military perceptions of those times - small detachments of German, Pole or Lithuanian troops showed more military prowess then whole Romanian/Wallachian army in each and every military conflict in whole course of previous military history. In spite of this not-argumentative (for military guys of those times ;) ) dogma - Romanians contribute majority of their military ranks (if we start to count them by your method).
Are you sure - if this fact is supporting your theory (I'm not sure what must be conclusion in this theory), based on percentage amount of Byelorusses to whole Byelorussian population, participitating in Napoleonic wars? (I've got a hunch - Armenian percentage of military participitants in any Caucasian war by this method would be higher then Byelorussian participitance in Napoleonic wars anyway ;).

Bash
Well, it’s hard to give a real number of the Belarusians participated in the late XIX century wars as a lot of them were serving in various regiments of Russian origin either. In fact only could be given the number of the persons who served in the military forces at all (and it will be even not a number of the Belarusians but the people of from the Belarusian ethnic territories… ;)). So, it is not accurate.

As to the “conclusions” from this percentage. Well, I just wanted to notice that it must be natural that there were several Lithuanian or Belarusian elite formations in Russian army. ;)


Concerning, the “life-guard” and “guard” issue. In late 1860s the regiment used the name of only “guard”. The last postcard is btw from the series of the Russian Guard regiments uniforms.
 
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Bash said:
I've just realized - we are speaking about different subjects.
Any Regiment created "as the Life Guards" fulfilled quite simple military purpose. Guard Regiments (only four of them) were quite special.

For example Graf von Benckendorff were appointed to Semyonovsky Polk in 1797 by special order of Emperor Paul I, but didn't serve in aforementioned Regiment at all. Instead of it - he was in personal guard for Empress Maria Fedorovna, studied (a bit) in Dorpat University, was sent into Caucausus with special scouting (spying) order, then was relocated in Corfu were created initial batch of "Ionic Policia" - future Ministry of Internal Affair of future Greece, then took part in Austerlitz battle (was commander of arierre-guard troops defending Russian retreat after striking defeat), then took part in whole next campaign (participitating in Preussish-Eylau and Friedland battles), then was sent into France as Attache on Cultural Affairs (actually he was chief resident of whole Russian spy-net in France in period of question). But whole times - he was invariably considered as "officer of Semyonovsky Regiment" and "Guardian" on this reason.
His actual entering of Semionovsky Polk occured only in 1821 when he was Full-Scale General of Cavalry, Chief of Security Forces - Personal Body-Guard of Prince Nicholas (future Czar Nicholas I) and His Family and etc.. and etc...
He received just post of Head of Staff of this regiment what was equal to Sub-Colonel status, but was quite happy about it - he became to be THIRD figure (after Czar of Poland Konstantine and Prince Vasilchikov) in SECOND Guard Regiment of Russian Empire (in other way - he received 13th post in whole Russian "pecking-order" of high-officials!)
It was real importance of "belonging to Guard Regiments" - guy who became second-in-power in Russian Empire from 1825 (He became to be Head of Third Department a bit later, when Second Department was rather weak-spot, and Head of First Department was Czar Nicholas himself.) was really happy to fill in Sub-Colonel post in this VERY important Regiment.

Then... There was "Guards" and "as Life-Guards" in Russian Empire ;).

Bash
Btw, did really Konstantine use the “czar” title? :confused: I think he ruled in Warsaw as the regent of Alexander and later Nikolaj I.
 
Bash said:
Well, I'm sure we are on wrong path from the start. Our European friends from whole Europe as well as Greek guy used to presnt names with characters from national alphabets. Then I'm sure we must to follow the pattern with Cyrillic characters instead of Latin:

Let's not and say we did :)

I submitted some Greek characters to be used only as the numbering for some of the fleet names and tuesday said that the ingame engine can only process basic Latin style characters. Since I don't transcribe from Cyrillic very well, I'd appreciate it if you renamed the four and five and the -r thing into Latin, but if not, I'm sure I can look it up next weekend sometime.

jay.
 
Herr Doctor said:
so, is this really possible to use Cyrillic in the army names? :confused: Then I will also remake Lithuanian stuff.

As mentioned above, no, no it's not. :D

jay.
 
Third Angel said:
Hope this helps.

It does! Thank you!

Garbon said:
Even if this was possible(which I don't know), I'd say that no, this is not a good idea. Despite the fact that we do quite a few non-english letters, there is no reason that we should have words represented in native character sets. Thats even more confusing as it would be completely impossible for me to even relate to Arabic, Japanese, Chinese, Hindi, you name it, in their native alphabets.

It would look cool, but yeah, I'm with you. Besides, I think you can get enough (or better) ethnic coloring by simply doing a good job of transcription instead of using the usual Romance/Latinate versions we get. E.g., being using Q to represent the harsh k in Arabic and Turkish languages, and rendering Greek more literally.

Also, Bash, not that I don't appreciate your help and your knowledge of the subject, which is apparently quite extensive, :) but it really is much easier if along with the history, you post the unit names in the format, so all I have to do is cut and paste it into the main listing. Also, just remember that since I don't know Russian numbers and names, saying etc. doesn't help. :D I've seen A Fish Called Wanda, so I know that's my loss, but still... :) Thanks!

jay.
 
Llywelyn said:
Let's not and say we did :)

I submitted some Greek characters to be used only as the numbering for some of the fleet names and tuesday said that the ingame engine can only process basic Latin style characters. Since I don't transcribe from Cyrillic very well, I'd appreciate it if you renamed the four and five and the -r thing into Latin, but if not, I'm sure I can look it up next weekend sometime.

jay.

Hey copycat! :D No, I'm just kidding, this looks great; we'll have fancy new army and navy names in the next update. I don't have anything really to add to the listings, but as you said I said, as far as I can tell, EU2 uses Western (Windows Latin 1) encoding. Actually, I would like to know EXACTLY what encoding the game uses, but as far as I can tell, it does not use ISO Latin 1 or 9 (and certainly not Unicode, which means no Greek or Cyrillic).

On a sidenote, I test changes on both Mac and PC, and I've noticed that comments in the navy/armynames do not show up in the PC version, but they DO in Mac. (The Mac version is far more picky, in many regards.) I don't know what sort of priority Mac compatibility has, but if it has any, perhaps it would be better to submit completely uncommented files for army/navynames.csv, and have a readme file with the translations (since we're trying to use native languages). A bit down the road, but I thought I would mention it.
 
tuesday4am said:
Hey copycat! :D No, I'm just kidding, this looks great; we'll have fancy new army and navy names in the next update. I don't have anything really to add to the listings, but as you said I said, as far as I can tell, EU2 uses Western (Windows Latin 1) encoding. Actually, I would like to know EXACTLY what encoding the game uses, but as far as I can tell, it does not use ISO Latin 1 or 9 (and certainly not Unicode, which means no Greek or Cyrillic).

On a sidenote, I test changes on both Mac and PC, and I've noticed that comments in the navy/armynames do not show up in the PC version, but they DO in Mac. (The Mac version is far more picky, in many regards.) I don't know what sort of priority Mac compatibility has, but if it has any, perhaps it would be better to submit completely uncommented files for army/navynames.csv, and have a readme file with the translations (since we're trying to use native languages). A bit down the road, but I thought I would mention it.

I didn't know windows could process it with the comments - but yes, I would say just to leave them on these threads, and then remove them for actual use in the .csv files. People who are curious can look them up here.

jay.
 
Nippon Army Names

Historically speaking, the imperial house was forbidden to have any military force in EU2 period, so there was no Imperial Guard or Imperial Yari. Masamune, Muramasa and Murasame were famous swordsmiths, but there where no military forces called by these names. And THERE WERE NO JAPANESE NAMED TORONAGA IN THE HISTORY. Toranaga is OK, I guess. I don't know the name Koutetsou.

Here are several my proposals.

NIP;Enryakuji Sohei
NIP;Honganji Sohei
NIP;Negoroji Sohei
These were major martial monks in Sengoku era. Some were working as mercenaries.

NIP;Takeda Kibatai
Kibatai means cavalry. Traditionally Takeda Shingen was famous for his invincible cavalry (or so folk tales say). But in EU2 this name can be given to an all-infantry regiment.:D

NIP;Ii Akazonae
Akazonae means armors painted in red and represents elite soldiers in Sengoku era. Akazonae of House Ii was very famous in Tokugawa Clan.
 
Duke Shimazu said:
Kibatai means cavalry. Traditionally Takeda Shingen was famous for his invincible cavalry (or so folk tales say). But in EU2 this name can be given to an all-infantry regiment.:D

Indeed, we have quite a few cases where that happens for other nations.
 
The remainder of the army names list, since it needed to be moved for space limitations :) :

#Papal States
PAP;Guardie Svizzere #Swiss Guard
PAP;Legio I Iuris Sanctae #Legion of Holy Justice
PAP;Legio II Sanctitatis #Legion of Righteousness
PAP;Legio III Irae Sanctae #Legion of Holy Vengence
PAP;Legio IIII Manus Dei #Legion of the Hand of God
PAP;Esercito I Papale #Papal Army
PAP;Legio V Christi #Legion of Christ
PAP;Esercito II Sancto #Holy Army
PAP;Esercito III della Salvezza #the Salvation Army :D
PAP;Legio VI Pontificis Maximi #Legion of the Pontiff
PAP;Legio VII Italiana #Italian Legion
PAP;Legio VIII Campaniana #Neapolitan Legion
PAP;Legio IX Emiliana #Emilian Legion
PAP;Legio X Romana #Roman Legion
PAP;Cavalieri del Papa
PAP;Legio XI Patris Sancti #Legion of the Holy Father
PAP;Legio XII
PAP;Legio XIII
PAP;Legio XIIII
PAP;Legio XV
PAP;Legio XVI
PAP;Legio XVII
PAP;Legio XVIII
PAP;Legio XIX
PAP;Legio XX
PAP;Legio XXI

#Persia
PER;Persian Army
PER;Kizilbash Cavalry
PER;1st Ghulam Cavalry
PER;2nd Ghulam Cavalry
PER;Ghulam Infantry
PER;Army of the Shah
PER;Army of Abbas
PER;Baluchi Levy
PER;Kurdish Levy
PER;Afghan Levy
PER;Shia Guards
PER;Armenian Levy
PER;Azerbaijani Levy

#Palatinate/Pfalz
PFA;Kurfürstliche Armee
PFA;Oberpfälzer Regiment #Upper Pfalz Regiment
PFA;Kurpfälzer Landwehr
PFA;Linksrheinische Schützen
PFA;Garde du Corps #Bodyguard
PFA;1. Kürassier-Regiment #1st Currasiers
PFA;2. Kürassier-Regiment #2nd Currasiers
PFA;1. Chevaulegers-Regiment #1st Cavalry
PFA;2. Chevaulegers-Regiment #2nd Cavalry
PFA;1. Dragoner-Regiment #1st Dragoons
PFA;2. Dragoner-Regiment #2nd Dragoons

#Poland
POL;Wielka Armia Koronna
POL;Pierwsza Armia Koronna
POL;Druga Armia Koronna
POL;Pierwsza Armia Polna
POL;Druga Armia Polna
POL;Trzecia Armia Polska
POL;Czwarta Armia Polska
POL;Pospolite Ruszenie
POL;Kozacy Rejestrowi
POL;Ulani Nadwislanscy
POL;Piechota Lanowa
POL;Hufiec Walny
POL;Hufiec Czelny
POL;Szwolezerowie
POL;Straż Królewska
POL;Wojsko Kwarciane
POL;Obrona Potoczna
POL;Husaria
POL;Rajtaria
POL;Dragonia
POL;Pancerni
POL;Chorągiew Krakowska
POL;Chorągiew Wielkopolska
POL;Chorągiew Ruska
POL;Chorągiew Sieradzka
POL;Pułki Hetmana Koronnego
POL;Pułki Hetmana Polnego

#Portugal
POR;Atiradores
POR;Caçadores do Porto
POR;1st Caçadores
POR;Besteiros do Conto
POR;2nd Caçadores
POR;Ordem de Avis #Ordo Avis
POR;3rd Caçadores
POR;Ordem de São Tiago
POR;Cavaleiros de Cristo #Knight of Christ

#Provence (shouldn't these be Occitan?)
PRO;Armée de Provence #Army of Provence
PRO;Armée du Comte #Army of the Count
PRO;Première Armée #First Army
PRO;Régiment de Provence #Provencal Regiment
PRO;Régiment du Languedoc #Languedoc Regiment
PRO;Deuxième Armée #Second Army
PRO;Régiment du Maine #Maine Regiment

#Prussia
PRU;Füsilier-Garde
PRU;Wartenslebisches Regiment zu Fuß
PRU;Anhalt
PRU;Leibregiment #Life Regiment
PRU;Kronprinz #Crown Prince
PRU;Königs Regiment #King's Regiment
PRU;Gardegrenadier-Bataillon #Grenadiers
PRU;Gelbes Regiment
PRU;Markgraf #Margrave's
PRU;Leibgarde #Lifeguard
PRU;König Friedrich I. #King Frederick I
PRU;Grenadiergarde-Regiment #Grenadiers
PRU;Prinz von Preußen #Prince of Prussia
PRU;Preußen #The Prussians
PRU;Markgraf von Brandenburg #Margrave of Brandenburg
PRU;Schwedischpommersches Regiment
PRU;1. Füsilier-Regiment
PRU;2. Füsilier-Regiment
PRU;3. Füsilier-Regiment
PRU;1. Schlesisches Regiment
PRU;Jung-Schwerin
PRU;Prinz Ferdinand
PRU;Prinz Heinrich
PRU;Prinz Lubomirski
PRU;Jung-Dohna
PRU;Braunschweig
PRU;Jung-Braunschweig
PRU;Sachsen-Eisenach
PRU;Erbprinz von Württemberg
PRU;Landgraf
PRU;Pioniers-Regiment
PRU;1. Kürassier-Regiment
PRU;2. Kürassier-Regiment
PRU;Schlesisches Kürassier-Regiment
PRU;Trabantengarde
PRU;Leib-Karabinier-Regiment
PRU;1. Dragoner-Regiment
PRU;2. Dragoner-Regiment
PRU;Garde du Corps #Bodyguard
PRU;Grenadiers zu Pferde
PRU;Bayreuth
PRU;Königin Dragoner
PRU;Porzellan-Dragoner
PRU;Ansbach
PRU;Grüne Husaren
PRU;Königliches Leibkorps Husaren
PRU;Preußisches Husarenkorps #Prussia Hussars
PRU;Weiße Ulanen
PRU;Leibhusaren
PRU;Preußische Panduren
PRU;Braune Husaren
PRU;Bosniaken
PRU;Schlesische Schützen

#Black Sheep Turks
QAR;Kürtçe Ordu
QAR;Padisah Nöbet
QAR;Azerbaijanli Alay
QAR;Ilk Kolordu
QAR;Kürtçe Nöbet
QAR;Irakli Alay
QAR;Ikinci Kolordu
QAR;Orduin Iran
QAR;Iranli Nöbet
QAR;Üçüncü Kolordu

#Russia
RUS;Glavnaya Armiya#Head Army
RUS;Pervaya Armiya #First Army
RUS;Vtoraya Armiya #Second Army
RUS;Tretya Armiya #Third Army
RUS;Jegerskiy Imperatorskiy Polk #Imperial Jager Guards
RUS;Wehrmacht #Wehrmacht, apparently an historical unit :D
RUS;Rizhskiy Konno-Egerskiy Polk #Riga's Mounted Jagers Regiment
RUS;Liflandskiy Egerskiy Polk #Livland Jager Rergiment
RUS;Turkestanskaya Armiya #Turkestan Army
RUS;Vilenskiy Ulanskiy Polk #Vilnius Catholic Regiment
RUS;Izumskiy Gusarskiy Polk #Izum Hussar Regt.
RUS;Akhtyrskiy Gusarskiy Polk #Akhtyr Hussar Regt.
RUS;Kavkazkaya Armiya #Army of the Caucasus
RUS;Grodnenskij Gussarskij Polk #Grodno Hussars militia
RUS;Semenovski Gvardeiski Polk #Lifeguard militias
RUS;Finlandski Gvardeiski Polk
RUS;Izmailovski Gvardeiski Polk
RUS;Preobrazhenski Gvardeiski Polk
RUS;Suzdalski Polk #Militias
RUS;Riazanski Polk
RUS;Riazski Polk
RUS;Pskovski Polk
RUS;Vladimirski Polk
RUS;Brianski Polk
RUS;Sibirskiy Korpus #Siberian Corps
RUS;Eletski Polk
RUS;Apsheronskiy Polk
RUS;Rostovski Polk
RUS;Permski Polk
RUS;Belevski Polk
RUS;Kurski Polk
RUS;Yaroslavskiy Polk
RUS;Shirvanski Polk
RUS;Arkhangelogorodski Polk
RUS;Tobolski Polk
RUS;Polotski Polk
RUS;Ladozhskiy Polk
RUS;Voronezhski Polk
RUS;Nizovski Polk
RUS;Butyrski Polk
RUS;Kazanski Polk
RUS;Chernigovski Polk
RUS;Tambovski Polk
RUS;Muromski Polk
RUS;Ingermanlandski Polk
RUS;Astrakhanski Polk
RUS;Volynski Polk
RUS;Azovski Polk
RUS;Simbirski Polk
RUS;Vilenski Polk
RUS;Moskovski Grenaderski Polk #Grenadier militias
RUS;Pavlovski Grenaderski Polk
RUS;Sibirski Grenaderski Polk
RUS;Khersonski Grenaderski Polk
RUS;Kexholmski Grenaderski Polk
RUS;Astrakhanski Grenaderski Polk
RUS;Kievski Grenaderski Polk
RUS;Yaroslavskiy Kirasirskiy Polk #Currasier militias
RUS;Riazanski Kirasirskiy Polk
RUS;Kazanski Kirasirskiy Polk
RUS;Glukhovski Kirasirskiy Polk
RUS;Novgorodski Kirasirskiy Polk
RUS;Astrakhanski Kirasirskiy Polk
RUS;Orenburgski Dragoonski Polk #Dragoon militias
RUS;Pskovski Dragoonski Polk
RUS;Severski Dragoonski Polk
RUS;Rizhski Dragoonski Polk
RUS;Taganrogski Dragoonski Polk
RUS;Narvski Dragoonski Polk
RUS;Gvardeiski Yegerski Polk #Jager Guard militia
RUS;42ya Armiya #42nd
RUS;57ya Armiya #57nd
RUS;86ya Armiya #86th
RUS;103ya Armiya #103rd

#Saxony
SAC;Leichte Infanterie
SAC;Prinz Anton
SAC;Prinz Friedrich-August
SAC;Prinz-Clemens-Ulanen
SAC;von Rechten
SAC;Chevaulegers Prinz Johann
SAC;Chevaulegers Prinz Albrecht
SAC;Leib-Grenadier-Garde #Grenadier lifeguard
SAC;Polnische Dragoner
SAC;Ulanen
SAC;Bosniaken #Bosnians
SAC;1. Kürassier-Regiment
SAC;2. Kürassier-Regiment

#Scotland
SCO;Royal Scottish Army
SCO;Army o the Bruce
SCO;Borderman Guard
SCO;Highland Gillies
SCO;Hagbuteers
SCO;Galloglaich
SCO;Royal Highland Brigade
SCO;Royal Coldstream Guards
SCO;Order of the Thistle
SCO;Royal Lifeguard
SCO;Saint Baithen
SCO;Saint Columba
SCO;Royal Shetland Brigade
SCO;Royal Scottish Marines
SCO;Royal Scottish Grenadiers
SCO;Royal Scottish Lancers
SCO;Royal Scottish Halberdiers
SCO;Royal Scottish Dragoons
SCO;Royal Scottish Fencers
SCO;Royal Scottish Cuirassiers
SCO;Royal Scottish Hussars
SCO;Thistle Guards
SCO;Azure Guard
SCO;Silver Guard
SCO;Blue Guard
SCO;White Guard
SCO;Saltire Guard #?

#Serbia
SER;Srpska Vojska #Serbian Army
SER;Kosovska Vojska #Kosovar Army
SER;Zamanitchka Vojska
SER;Beogradska Vojska #Belgrad Army
SER;Raska Vojska
SER;Niska Vojska
SER;Uzicka Brigada
SER;Sumadijska Brigada
SER;Gussars
SER;Hussars
SER;Voynuks

#Shan (listed twice)
SHA;Warriors of the Shawano
SHA;Shawano Warriors
SHA;Delaware Braves
SHA;Tecumseh's Warriors

#Holstein
SHL;Armee von Holstein
SHL;Kieler Garnison
SHL;Schleswiger Armee
SHL;Gottorper Heer
SHL;Leibgarde
SHL;Landwehr

#Despotato tou Morea
SPR;Taxeis #The "Regiments," the only name for the army of the late Empire
SPR;Mourtatoi #Turkish mulatto/convert archer unit
SPR;Tagma tes Tsakones #a company of native, hillbilly Greeks
SPR;Tagma tes Maniates #a company of native, hillbilly Greeks
SPR;Paramonai #a company of native Greeks
SPR;Melingoi #a Slavic unit; name the source of American "Melungeons"
SPR;Tourkopouloi #"Turksons," converts or mulattos
SPR;Vigla #The Watch
SPR;Tourma ton Peloponneson #Peloponnesian thematic forces
SPR;Moira Achaiakon #Achaean moira
SPR;Tourma Helladikon #Greek theme
SPR;Tourma Makedonike #Macedonian theme
SPR;Tourma Thessalonike #Thessalonican theme
SPR;Phoideratoi #The Allies
SPR;Vardariotai #Magyars
SPR;Tagma ton Skythikon #Anyone NE of the Black Sea
SPR;Arkhontopouloi #'Sons of the Commanders'
SPR;Hetaireia #The Companions (Mercs)
SPR;Boukellarioi #The Companions
SPR;Moira Strymon #Various Balkan moirai
SPR;Moira Kephalenia
SPR;Moira Nikopolitikon
SPR;Moira Dyrrakhion
SPR;Tourma Boulgarion #Bulgarian theme
SPR;Tagma Pyrobolikou #Artillery Brigade
SPR;Despotikon Mêkhanikoi #Despotic Engineers

#Songhai
SON;Jund Songhai
SON;Askia Royal Guards
SON;Soso Regiment
SON;Mandingo Regiment
SON;Djenne-Djeno Regiment

#Spain
SPA;Ejército Real #Royal Army
SPA;Ejército de Italia
SPA;Ejército de Flandres
SPA;Ejército de Nápoles
SPA;Ejército de Indias
SPA;Guardia del Rey #Guard of the King
SPA;Guardia Real #Royal Guards
SPA;Don Augustin Meija
SPA;Morena
SPA;Las Penas
SPA;Del Infante #Prince's
SPA;Santa Hermandad #Holy Brotherhood, formed by Isabella to protect the weak from the Spanish nobility
SPA;Guardia di Re #Guard of the Queen
SPA;Grammont
SPA;St Amour
SPA;Strozzi
SPA;Delli Pozzi
SPA;Visconti
SPA;Ribaucourt
SPA;Granges
SPA;Ambisi
SPA;Bassigny
SPA;Rittberg
SPA;Albuquerque
SPA;Meghen
SPA;Principe de Lina
SPA;Avela
SPA;De Latour
SPA;Velandio
SPA;Vilalva
SPA;Castelvi
SPA;Strozzi

#Nubia
SUD;Nubian Army
SUD;Egyptian Army
SUD;Ethiopian Army
SUD;Army of the Nile

#Sweden (what an embarassment of riches )
SWE;Kungliga Arméen
SWE;Skånska Arméen #Swede Army
SWE;Finska Arméen #Finn Army
SWE;Livländska Arméen #Livland Army
SWE;Livgardet #Lifeguard
SWE;Åbo Ryttare
SWE;Livregementet #Life-infantry?
SWE;Dalregementet
SWE;Norrländska Tremänningar
SWE;Skaraborgs Regemente
SWE;Karelska Regementet
SWE;Livhusarerna #Life-hussars?
SWE;Livdragonerna #Life-dragoons?
SWE;Härjedalens Regemente
SWE;Viborgs Läns Ryttare #Viborg lancers
SWE;Lybeckers Skånsa Ryttare
SWE;Hälsinge Regemente
SWE;Västgöta Ryttare #Vastgottland cav
SWE;Smålands Ryttare #Smaland cav
SWE;Smålänska Dragonerna #Smalan dragoons
SWE;Kalmar Regemente
SWE;Västerbottens Regemente
SWE;Västmanlands Regemente
SWE;Åbo-Viborgs Regemente
SWE;Kronobergs Regemente
SWE;Estlands Infanteriregemente
SWE;Västerbottens regemente
SWE;Dalregementet
SWE;Livregementet till häst
SWE;Hälsinge regemente
SWE;Upplands regemente
SWE;Södermanlands regemente
SWE;Älvsborgs regemente
SWE;Jönköpings regemente
SWE;Åbo läns infanteriregemente
SWE;Kronobergs regemente
SWE;K.M. Drabanter
SWE;Jämtlands dragoner
SWE;Savolax regemente
SWE;Hamiltonska regementet
SWE;Smålands ryttare
SWE;Södra Skånska kavalleriregementet
SWE;Norra Skånska kavalleriregementet
SWE;Västmanlands regemente
SWE;Kalmar regemente
SWE;Närke-Värmlands regemente
SWE;Östgöta infanteriregemente
SWE;Skaraborgs regemente
SWE;Västgöta-Dals regemente
SWE;Savolax dragoner
SWE;Björneborgs regemente
SWE;Tavastehus regemente
SWE;Adelsfanan
SWE;Nylands infanteriregemente
SWE;Viborgs läns infanteriregemente
SWE; Det Gamla Blå

#Tuscany
TOS;Esercito I Repubblicano #Army of the Republic
TOS;Esercito II Fiorentino #Army of Florence
TOS;Esercito III della Signoria #Army of the Lords
TOS;Esercito IIII di San Giambattista #Army of St John the Baptist
TOS;La Guardia Tedesca #The German Guard
TOS;Brigata I Nuova #New Brigade
TOS;Esercito V della Toscana #Army of Tuscany
TOS;Brigata II di San Lorenzo #St Lorence Brigade
TOS;Brigata III di San Zenobi #St Zenobius Brigade
TOS;Brigata IIII Francese #French Brigade
TOS;Esercito VI di Liberazione #Army of Liberation
TOS;Brigata V Sienese #Siena Brigade
TOS;Brigata VI Guelfa #Guelf Brigade
TOS;Brigata VII Ghibellina #Ghibelline Brigade
TOS;Brigata VIII Condettieri #Mercenary Brigade
TOS;Esercito VII
TOS;Esercito VIII
TOS;Esercito IX
TOS;Esercito X
TOS;Esercito XI
TOS;Esercito XII
TOS;Esercito XIII
TOS;Esercito XIIII
TOS;Esercito XV
TOS;Esercito XVI
TOS;Esercito XVII
TOS;Esercito XVIII
TOS;Esercito XIX
TOS;Esercito XX

#Currently unused tag, according to the ID repository
THU;Bischöfliche Armee
THU;Würzburger Stadtgarnison
THU;Fränkisches Regiment

#Trebizond
TRE;Taxeis #The "Regiments," the only name for late Imperial armies (TRE was always doing well to field 300 men at a time, although those three hundred guys were very well regarded)
TRE;Banda Trapezountas #Trabzon brigade
TRE;Tagma tou Lazou #a native Georgian regiment
TRE;Tagma ton Tzanon #a native Georgian regiment
TRE;Banda Anatolikon #Anatolian brigade
TRE;Banda Pontikon #Pontic brigade
TRE;Banda Sinopike #Sinope brigade

#Ottoman Turks
TUR;Imperial Army
TUR;Army of Anatolia
TUR;Army of Syria
TUR;Army of Egypt
TUR;Army of Persia
TUR;Army of Hungary
TUR;Army of Austria
TUR;Army of Crimea
TUR;Army of the Balkans
TUR;Skoder
TUR;Kurutzes
TUR;Iayalars
TUR;Tokoeli
TUR;Al Sultan
TUR;Jeni Ceri I
TUR;Jeni Ceri II
TUR;Jeni Ceri III
TUR;Jeni Ceri IV
TUR;Druz
TUR;Al Kairo
TUR;Nizami Cedid
TUR;Bolgar Kan
TUR;Nowi Pazae
TUR;Duar el Dey
TUR;Bachi Buzuks
TUR;Nizami Cedid
TUR;Jeni Ceri I
TUR;Jeni Ceri II
TUR;Al Damas
TUR;Kalmuks
TUR;Pachalik
TUR;Sandjak
TUR;Haiduks
TUR;Bachi Buzuks
TUR;Pandur

#USA
USA;Continental Army
USA;Army of New England
USA;Army of Carolina
USA;Army of Virginia
USA;Army of Georgia
USA;Army of New York
USA;Army of Conneticut
USA;Army of Pennsylvania
USA;Appalachian Army
USA;Continental Army
USA;Virginia Army
USA;Carolina Army
USA;Massachusetts Army
USA;Kentucky Rifles
USA;Tennessee Rifles

#Venice
VEN;Condottieri di Verona
VEN;Condottieri di Padua
VEN;Condottieri di Venezia
VEN;Cacciatori del Veneto
VEN;Cacciatori d'Istria

#Wallachia
WAL;Român Armata
WAL;Primul Armata
WAL;Armata de la Tipar
WAL;Secunda Armata
WAL;Al Treilea Armata

#Wales
#If anyone knows Welsh, could doubtless use some grammar help
WLS;'n frenhinol Cymraeg Bragad
WLS;Bragad chan Cymru #Welsh Brigade
WLS;Bragad chan Gwynedd #Gwynedd Brigade
WLS;Brenhinol Cymraeg #Royal Welsh
WLS;Catrawd chan Aberteifi #Cardigan Regiment
WLS;Catrawd chan Penfro #Pembroke Regiment
WLS;Cartref Cad #Cardiff Army
WLS;Tyddewi #Church of St. David
WLS;Denbigh Lluydd #Denbigh Force
WLS;Bangor Byddin #Host of Bangor
WLS;Mon Cad #Army of Anglesey
WLS;Catrawd chan Caerffili #Caerphilly Regiment
WLS;Bragad chan Caernarfon #Carnarvon Brigade
WLS;Catrawd chan Aper Tyui #Swansea Regiment
WLS;Bragad chan Radnor
WLS;Bragad chan Hardelagh #Harlech Brigade
WLS;y Fflint Cad #Flint Army
WLS;yr Wyffdfa Catrawd #Snowdon Regiment

#Wirtemberg
WUR;Dragoner Kronprinz
WUR;Jäger-Bataillon König
WUR;Erbprinz
WUR;Grenadiers à cheval
WUR;Garde du Corps
WUR;1. Kürassier-Regiment
WUR;2. Kürassier-Regiment
WUR;1. Chevaulegers-Regiment
WUR;2. Chevaulegers-Regiment
WUR;1. Dragoner-Regiment
WUR;2. Dragoner-Regiment

#Mombasa
ZAN;Swahili Army
ZAN;Bantu Militia
ZAN;Tanganyika Regiment
ZAN;Zambia Regiment


jay.
 
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Added (sort of) Arabic names to armies for Mamluks, Morocco, Hedjaz...

Also army names for Tuscany.

Spelling and grammatical check are encouraged. If you know how to make the Mamluk names into Egyptian Arabic (is all it involves turning the al-s into el-s? or is there more?) or whether Egyptian had splintered off yet, I'd be glad to hear from you....

jay.
 
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#Russia
RUS;Glavnaya Armiya#Head Army
RUS;Pervaya Armiya #First Army
RUS;Vtoraya Armiya #Second Army
RUS;Tretya Armiya #Third Army
RUS;Kavkazkaya Armiya #? Army of Caucausus
RUS;Wehrmacht Rossii #Russian Wehrmacht, apparently historical

It is wrong. "Wehrmacht" was result of rather obscure treaty between Peter the Great and his first Livonien henchman - Benckendorff. In exchange for loyalty of Livonien population in Great Northern war times - Peter allowed local form of puppet government with local army and so on. One of the main feature of local militia was mutual agreement - these detachements mustn't be placed in any Russian lands and weren't considered as Russian troops, but in the same time they were integral part of Russian Army. (Czar liked to fight with local population helping hand, but didn't like to see them in Moscow region with... ehm.. weird ideas. All story would be strange aberration of some sort, but in 1780 Catherine the Great appointed to leading role in Livland her own niece Charlotte (Annette) - in marriage von Benckendorff. This resourceful woman redesign local militia completely and due to start Swedish War received unparalleled authority in all local affairs. Re-emergence of local militia, which actually pushed out all Russian troops from "lutheran lands of Russian Empire" occured under her insistence. These local (lutheran) troops received almost-forgotten name of "Wehrmacht" from Great Northern War times. But they weren't "Wehrmacht Rossii" at all. They were - just "Wehrmacht" without any other suffixes or affixes, but in German sources it used to have names - "Ostsee Wehrmacht" or "Livland Wehrmacht" (I can misspel these names a bit).
. "Wehrmacht Rossii" is equivalent to names - "Highlanders of England" or "Gascogners of France" for regiment naming. Impossible.

RUS;Pervaya Livonien Orjad #1st Livonian Regiment? Wrong name - inland military coulnd't receive official name of Otryad - this definition was reserved for naval unit..
RUS;Vtoraya Livonien Orjad #2nd Livonian Regiment? Wrong.
RUS;Tretya Livonien Orjad #3rd Liv Reg Wrong again.

RUS;Jegerskiy Imperatorskiy Polk #Imperial Jager Guards of Emperor
RUS;Rizhskiy Konno-Egerskiy Polk #Riga's Mounted Jagers Regiment
RUS;Liflandskiy Egerskiy Polk #Livland Jager Rergiment
RUS;Vilenskiy Ulanskiy Polk #Vilnius Catholic Regiment
RUS;Izumskiy Gusarskiy Polk #Izum Hussar Regt.
RUS;Akhtyrskiy Gusarskiy Polk #Akhtyr Hussar Regt.

RUS;Preobrazhensky Polk #? All these names appeared later in different form - they are doubles.
RUS;Semyonovsky Polk #? Doubles.
RUS;Izmailovskiy Polk #Foreigner militia? Doubles.
RUS;Finlandskiy Polk #Finlander militia. Doubles.

RUS;Grodnenskij Gussarskij Polk #Grodno Hussars militia
RUS;Suzdalski Polk #Militias
RUS;Riazanski Polk
RUS;Riazski Polk
RUS;Pskovski Polk
RUS;Vladimirski Polk
RUS;Brianski Polk
RUS;Sibirskiy Korpus #Siberian Corps
RUS;Eletski Polk
RUS;Apsheronskiy Polk
RUS;Rostovski Polk
RUS;Permski Polk
RUS;Belevski Polk
RUS;Kurski Polk
RUS;Yaroslavskiy Polk
RUS;Shirvanski Polk
RUS;Arkhangelogorodski Polk
RUS;Tobolski Polk
RUS;Polotski Polk
RUS;Ladozhskiy Polk
RUS;Voronezhski Polk
RUS;Nizovski Polk
RUS;Butyrski Polk
RUS;Kazanski Polk
RUS;Chernigovski Polk
RUS;Tambovski Polk
RUS;Muromski Polk
RUS;Ingermanlandski Polk
RUS;Astrakhanski Polk
RUS;Volynski Polk
RUS;Azovski Polk
RUS;Simbirski Polk
RUS;Vilenski Polk
RUS;Moskovski Grenaderski Polk #Grenadier militias
RUS;Pavlovski Grenaderski Polk
RUS;Sibirski Grenaderski Polk
RUS;Khersonski Grenaderski Polk
RUS;Kexholmski Grenaderski Polk
RUS;Astrakhanski Grenaderski Polk
RUS;Kievski Grenaderski Polk
RUS;Yaroslavskiy Kirasirskiy Polk #Currasier militias
RUS;Riazanski Kirasirskiy Polk
RUS;Kazanski Kirasirskiy Polk
RUS;Glukhovski Kirasirskiy Polk
RUS;Novgorodski Kirasirskiy Polk
RUS;Astrakhanski Kirasirskiy Polk
RUS;Orenburgski Dragoonski Polk #Dragoon militias
RUS;Pskovski Dragoonski Polk
RUS;Severski Dragoonski Polk
RUS;Rizhski Dragoonski Polk
RUS;Taganrogski Dragoonski Polk
RUS;Narvski Dragoonski Polk
RUS;Semenovski Gvardeiski Polk #Lifeguard militias (Delete doubles higher)
RUS;Finlandski Gvardeiski Polk (Delete doubles higher)
RUS;Izmailovski Gvardeiski Polk (Delete doubles higher)
RUS;Preobrazhenski Gvardeiski Polk (Delete doubles higher)
RUS;Gvardeiski Yegerski Polk #Jager Guard militia
RUS;Malorossijaskaya Armiya #Little Russian (Ukrainian) Army - wrong - this regiment never existed, because Ukrainians were considered as Orthodox as Russians - then they couldn't receive some sort of special army. Whole Russian military system was Faith-based - not national based.
I would repeat all these names isn't match Russian military tradition. All things with "Jegerskiy" affix must match Lutheran population, all "Ulanskiy" affixes must match Catholic provincial names, all "Hussarskiy" affixes belong to former Uniat lands and so on. Kazan and Astrakhan (rather Muslim filled - and as result agrocultural) provinces couldbn't raise any Cuirassier regiments, because Cuirassiers were Orthodox originated fellows from industrialised regions - like Kiev, Perm, Moscow or Tula. And so on.


RUS;Uralskaya Armiya #Ural Army - not sure about it. There wasn't any possible enemies in region when this place received "Ural" name. Kill it. If you like an alternative - for imaginative scenarios with fighting against Mid-Asian Muslims - use "Turkestanskaya Armiya" (Army of Turkestan) instead - this thing existed in XIX century.
RUS;42ya Armiya #42nd
RUS;57ya Armiya #57nd
RUS;86ya Armiya #86th
RUS;103ya Armiya #103rd
 
Llywelyn said:
Added (sort of) Arabic names to armies for Mamluks, Morocco, Hedjaz...

Also army names for Tuscany.

Spelling and grammatical check are encouraged. If you know how to make the Mamluk names into Egyptian Arabic (is all it involves turning the al-s into el-s? or is there more?) or whether Egyptian had splintered off yet, I'd be glad to hear from you....

jay.

Actually in modern transcription systems, the letters "e" and "o" never appear in Arabic transliteration under any circumstances. The elite of the Islamic world (like the people responsible for naming armies) would have spoken a literary version of Arabic unconnected to any of the regional dialects. We should also render tribal names as the "Banu so-and-so" rather than "Bani so-and-so." Also now that MAG is an Indonesia country shouldn't it get non-German army names? The Shan as well have been given names for an NA native tribe, when they were an Asian people distantly related to the Thai and found primarily in Burma. Oh, and can we do Persia's army names in Persian?
 
zacharym87 said:
Actually in modern transcription systems, the letters "e" and "o" never appear in Arabic transliteration under any circumstances.

Well, I don't know your sources, but transliteration out of Egyptian Arabic most certainly does - just see the abundance of place names beginning in "el" rather than "al."

The elite of the Islamic world (like the people responsible for naming armies) would have spoken a literary version of Arabic unconnected to any of the regional dialects.

Eh. Maybe.

Obviously it's easier on me if my quick-and-easy Arab names work for every Arab state - it just doesn't seem that it should.

We should also render tribal names as the "Banu so-and-so" rather than "Bani so-and-so."

Why? I prefer the sound of "Banu" but Wiki gives it as an occasional or regional varient, with "Bani" being the normalized Arabic form. Obviously, if a native speaker is around on the boards, this can be easily addressed.

Also shouldn't MAG and Shan and Persia's army names be better?

Sure. That's what we're here for. Even more than those, the OE's current names are an embarassment. Post any of 'em up and I'll add em in.

jay.