AGCEEP Bohemia & Hungary

[Toio]

Then the revolt entry in the revolt.txt file for ROM would need to be changed so that their capital is Moravia instead of Silesia when they are released:

ROM = { #Romanist Bohemia
	no = BOH
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
	expirydate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1437 }
	minimum = { 314 315 329 330 }
	extra = { 327 328 }
	capital = [color=red]314[/color][color=yellow]315 #Moravia[/color]
	culture = czech
	religion = catholic
	revolt = no
	#ai = "Romanists.ai"
	ai = "ROM_1419_Romanist.ai"
}

and the 1419 scenario so that Bohemia has only a claimcore on Silesia to represent that they did not have full direct control:
in file 1419_boh.inc

 nationalprovinces = { 
        [color=red]314[/color] 315 328 329 330 } 
[color=yellow]claimedprovinces = {
	314 #Silesia because of semi-independant minor duchies
	}[/color]

I have been testing this scenario as I have given Silesia to BRA.

note: all I did was change this event

#(1419) The Death of King Vaclav IV
event = {
id = 129001
random = no
country = BOH
name = "EVENTNAME129001" #Death of Vaclav IV
desc = "EVENTHIST129001"
#-#A broken man, Vaclav IV died of a second stroke on August 16th 1419. His brother, Emperor Sigismund, immediately claimed the throne and was acknowledged as rightful heir by the crown lands and by the remaining catholics in Bohemia, mostly in the crown lands Moravia, Silesia and Lusatia where there still was a catholic majority, however the Hussites who at that time already dominated most of Bohemia proper refused to accept him, fearing suppression of their faith and despising him for his betrayal of Jan Hus that led to his execution at the stake in 1415. Armed resistance against royal authority and violence against Romanists, especially Germans, began almost immediately. Queen Sophia, widow of Vaclav, first acted as regent in Bohemia and tried to maintain at least a bit of central authority in Prague and to secure the throne for her brother-in-law, however she was opposed by the Hussites in Prague and had few effective control over Bohemia. On November 13th, she had to conclude a truce with thecitizens of Prague, having failed to suppress them with hired mercenaries, basically acknowledging that the Hussite movement had become impossible to control, let alone suppress it. For almost two decades large parts of Bohemia would be in Hussite hands.

date = { day = 16 month = august year = 1419 }

action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME129001A" #Destroy this heretic movement!
command = { type = flagname which = "" }
command = { type = country which = ROM }
command = { type = independence which = SIL } #Hussites
command = { type = capital which = 315 } #Moravia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


The 3 game tests where to see what happens in the hussite wars with ROM having 1 province less.
Instead of hussites becoming extinct pre 1424, 2 of the 3 teats thay lasted until 1435, the other to 1428.

All tests ended in 1440

 

[Toio]

Excuse me, medieval history regarding that region isn't your strongest point. Brabant was the direct successor of the duchy of Lower Lorraine/Lotharingia (it remained a subsidiary title of the dukes of Brabant) and Brabant was raised from a landgraviate to a duchy in 1183.

Regarding Silesia both Bohemia and Poland should have a claim on Silesia, they already started to dispute that area in the 10th century. Initially Poland eventually won out, yet Bohemia retained a claim, however the kings of Bohemia also ended up with a claim on the Polish throne.

This eventually was solved by several treaties between the kings of Poland and Bohemia, treaty of Trentschin (1335), congress of Visegrad (1335), treaty of Namslau (1348) in which the king of Bohemia waived his claims on the Polish throne, the suzerainity over Silesia was transfered to the king of Bohemia and the king of Poland waived his claims on Silesia.

So in can see Bohemia and Poland having a claim, but Brandenburg is (your free to do so ) a-historical.

thanks

I used brabant to signify how Silesia is bascially similar and its importance to the game.

In regards to claim by BRA, did not the Piasts maary into BRA nobility to entice german settlement. IIRC Elisabeth was one such person. I will need to read up on it


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_of_Brandenburg,_Duchess_of_Brzeg-Legnica_and_Cieszyn

as above it would be after october 1449 that bohemia can first have a claim on Silesia



In regards to independence for silesia, you cannot be a suzerity unless you are independent. read page 747
http://books.google.com.au/books?id...Q6AEwADgU#v=onepage&q=silesian piasts&f=false

 

[Toio]

ROM capital during the hussite wars.

Sudetan

Plzeň was first mentioned as a castle in 976, as the scene of a battle between Duke Boleslaus II of Bohemia and Emperor Otto II. It became a town in 1295 when King Wenceslaus II granted Plzeň its civic charter as a special "Royal City" and established a new town site, located some 10 km away from the original settlement, which is the current town of Starý Plzenec. It quickly became an important town on trade routes leading to Nuremberg and Regensburg; in the 14th century, it was the third-largest town in Bohemia after Prague and Kutná Hora. During the Hussite Wars, it was the centre of Catholic resistance to the Hussites: Prokop the Great unsuccessfully besieged it three times,

but Moravia seems more likely as this was the centre of sigsmund troop gatherings

 

[pgroves]

I'm a little confused how the Hussite religion works in the game e.g. is it tolerated with the Protestant slider when the reformation starts? Does it get the same bonuses and penalties as Protestantism? Is there a guide to how this all works for the Hussites? Thanks

 

[Kuld von Reyn]

The Hussite religion is identical to the Protestant religion in terms of bonuses and penalties, with the sole exception of an additional 0,50 land morale bonus. Dunno how things are with tolerance, relations etc. though.

One thing that's been bothering me since I got FTG 1.3: the Hussites seem to consistently lose within 1-2 years of the Hussite Wars starting, without even getting close to capturing a single Romanist province. This has happened in at least 10 games so far. (Not 10 full games, mind you) My memory might be betraying me, but they at least used to stand a chance if HUN got distracted by the Ottomans or prolonged wars against Venice. Now they're dead and buried in no time regardless.

It seems that the increased odds of snow causes the Hussites to rapidly lose most of their troops to attrition. While this applies to the Romanists and their allies too, they can replenish their losses a lot faster than the Hussites and only have to siege two provinces to boot.

What I ended up doing was:
1. Increase the amount of troops given to the Hussites in the Community at Tabor event, and spreading them over more than one province. (Resulting in two stacks of about 20k troops)
2. Improved the fortress in Ostmarch/"Tabor" by 1 in the same event.
3. Give the Hussites about 15k troops in the Diet at Caslav event (more to last them until the Battle of Malesov than anything historical)

This is of course an overpowered advantage to a human player, but it works well as a crutch for the AI. After introducing these changes, I tended to get Hussite Wars lasting roughly as long as the historical version.

Not sure how relevant this is to you folks using Plvs Vltra and the like though.

 

[LodovicoAriosto]

the Hussites seem to consistently lose within 1-2 years of the Hussite Wars starting, without even getting close to capturing a single Romanist province.

The wars historically lasted from 1419 to 1434. Total five crusades were crushed and the Hussites remained undefeated because in 1434 the Hussites lost a decisive battle of Lipany to other Hussites who split and joined the catholics. It seems that their lasting superiority was caused by several factors:
- functional organization of the army - the regiments were organized in such a way to fulfill certain roles not according to their place of origin and lord
- the army was more nation-based - people from all walks of life were part of it (including women - both noble and peasant, and children too; while the imperial forces were multicultural, elitist, narrowminded, divided and hastily put together with mercenaries and bandits
- use of wagons, firearms such as "houfnice" or "píšťala" (=pipe, flute =>pistol) and makeshift polearms made from farming tools (flails) proved to be superior to heavy cavalry
- leaders such as Žižka or Prokop had long time experience, for example from battling the Teutons in Grunwald

apart from morale boost they should probably receive a temporary military tech advantage because their strength was not in numbers. In fact the Imperial forces were usually 2-10 times bigger than the Hussites. Battle of Vítkov (12k vs 100k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qcFCWF5eLE), Battle of Domažlice (30k vs 100k). too bad it is easier to model this with the spawning Hussite überstacks.

 

[Kuld von Reyn]

This is already represented very well in-game, with excellent domestic sliders for combat, a huge boost to Land technology from the get go and a religion that boosts land morale. They also get a number of very good leaders, the ones you mentioned among them. The problem is that while their armies can easily beat the Romanist armies, it slowly dwindles to nothing as a combination of Romanist doomstacks and the snow causes massive attrition in the Hussite forces. Their provinces being Catholic doesn't help either; they don't seem to be capable of replacing their losses efficiently without relying on events providing them troops.

Edit:
That's an awesome video by the way.

 

[Nein]

This is of course an overpowered advantage to a human player, but it works well as a crutch for the AI.

You can always add the AI = yes condition.

 

[ConjurerDragon]

The boheman Anarchy already is marked with emperor=no to prevent it´s election to emperor.
Should these be prevented too?

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 022504 }
	name = "Bohemian Diet"
	startdate = {
		year = 1446
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 27
		month = october
		year = 1453
	}
	DIP = 3
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
        [color=yellow]emperor = no[/color]
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 022544 }
	startdate = {
		day = 7
		month = november
		year = 1611
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1820
	}
	name = "Bohemian Diet *"
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 5
	dormant = yes
        [color=yellow]emperor = no[/color]
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 022545 }
	startdate = {
		day = 1
		month = june
		year = 1647
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1820
	}
	name = "Bohemian Diet *"
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 5
	dormant = yes
        [color=yellow]emperor = no[/color]
}

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 022546 }
	startdate = {
		year = 1419
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1820
	}
	name = "Taborite regency *"
	DIP = 1
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 9
	dormant = yes
        [color=yellow]emperor = no[/color]
}

#BOH_129052
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 022547 }
	startdate = {
		year = 1419
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1820
	}
	name = "Utraquist regency *"
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 6
	MIL = 7
	dormant = yes
        [color=yellow]emperor = no[/color]
}

 

[vjwua]

I like to play as the Hussites from time to time, especially when we're slaughtering the Crusaders one by one
More ideas for events: I don't think the Hussites will have anything to do with the HRE of the German nation. Perhaps a separate event for choosing the next elector?

#(1460-1820) Bohemia breaks free from the Empire
event = {
    id = 129057
    trigger = {
        isvassal = no
        atwar = no
        stability = 3
        OR = {
            event = 129051 #BOH: Taborite republic
            event = 129052 #BOH: Utraquist republic
            event = 129053 #BOH: Podiebrad dynasty
        }
    }
    random = no
    country = BOH
    name = "EVENTNAME129057" #Bohemia breaks free from the Empire
    desc = "EVENTHIST129057"
    #-#After Ladislaus Postumus' death in 1457 there was no question about establishment of Hussite state. Bohemia began to gradually abandon its Germanic remnants, including its membership in the Holy Roman Empire.

    date = { year = 1460 }
    offset = 90
    deathdate = { year = 1820 }
    
    action_a = {
        name = "ACTIONNAME129057A" #We are free!
        command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -25 }
        command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -25 }
        command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 25 }
        command = { type = relation which = -6 value = -50 }
        command = { type = relation which = -7 value = -25 }
        command = { type = relation which = -7 value = -25 }
        command = { type = relation which = -7 value = -25 }
        command = { type = relation which = -7 value = -25 }
        command = { type = relation which = -7 value = -25 }
        command = { type = hre which = 314 value = no } #Silesia
        command = { type = hre which = 315 value = no } #Moravia
        command = { type = hre which = 327 value = no } #Ostmarch
        command = { type = hre which = 328 value = no } #Bohemia
        command = { type = hre which = 329 value = no } #Erz
        command = { type = hre which = 330 value = no } #Sudeten
        command = { type = vp value = 50 }
        command = { type = elector which = BOH value = 0 }
    }
    action_b = {
        name = "ACTIONNAME129057B" #We know how to deal with the Empire
        command = { type = relation which = PAP value = 25 }
        command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 25 }
        command = { type = relation which = -6 value = 50 }
        command = { type = relation which = -7 value = 25 }
        command = { type = vp value = -20 }
        command = { type = badboy value = -1 }
    }
}

There are also separate events for culture changing...

#(1460-1600) Erz is Czech
#by vjw
event = {
    id = 129058
    trigger = {
        owned = { province = 329 data = -1 } #Erz
        control = { province = 329 data = -1 }
        ownerchange = { province = 329 years = 30 }
        controlchange = { province = 329 years = 10 }
        OR = {
            event = 129051 #BOH: Taborite republic
            event = 129052 #BOH: Utraquist republic
            event = 129053 #BOH: Podiebrad dynasty
        }
    }
    random = no
    country = BOH
    name = "EVENTNAME129058" #Erz is Czech
    desc = "EVENTHIST129058"
    #-#After the establishment of the Hussite state, a significant number of Germans left Bohemia. The Czech population became dominant.

    date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1460 }
    offset = 300
    deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1600 }
    
    action_a = {
        name = "OK"
        command = { type = provinceculture which = 329 value = czech } #Erz
        command = { type = population which = 329 value = -1500 } #Erz
    }
}

#(1460-1600) Silesia is Czech
#by vjw
event = {
    id = 129059
    trigger = {
        owned = { province = 314 data = -1 } #Silesia
        control = { province = 314 data = -1 }
        ownerchange = { province = 314 years = 30 }
        controlchange = { province = 314 years = 10 }
        OR = {
            event = 129051 #BOH: Taborite republic
            event = 129052 #BOH: Utraquist republic
            event = 129053 #BOH: Podiebrad dynasty
        }
    }
    random = no
    country = BOH
    name = "EVENTNAME129059" #Silesia is Czech
    desc = "EVENTHIST129059"
    #-#After the establishment of the Hussite state, a significant number of Germans left Bohemia. The Czech population became dominant.

    date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1460 }
    offset = 300
    deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1600 }

    action_a = {
        name = "OK"
        command = { type = provinceculture which = 314 value = czech } #Silesia
        command = { type = population which = 314 value = -2500 } #Silesia
    }
}

...and adding Hussite monarch flag check.

#(1462) Pius II and George Podiebrad
event = {
id = 129013
trigger = {
monarch = 022506 #Jiri z Podiebrad
NOT = { flag = [Hussite_Kingdom] }
}
random = no
country = BOH
name = "EVENTNAME129013" #Conflict with the Church
desc = "EVENTHIST129013"
...

 

[ConjurerDragon]

In your first event in action A you remove provinces from the empire. That should only be possible if the Hussites actually own AND control all of them.

 

[vjwua]

I'm doing my part!

trigger = {
isvassal = no
atwar = no
stability = 3
OR = {
event = 129051 #BOH: Taborite republic
event = 129052 #BOH: Utraquist republic
event = 129053 #BOH: Podiebrad dynasty
}
owned = { province = 314 data = -1 } #Silesia
control = { province = 314 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 315 data = -1 } #Moravia
control = { province = 315 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 327 data = -1 } #Ostmarch
control = { province = 327 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 328 data = -1 } #Bohemia
control = { province = 328 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 329 data = -1 } #Erz
control = { province = 329 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 330 data = -1 } #Sudeten
control = { province = 330 data = -1 }
}