Fair enough. I agree with you actually, and think that without a specific Avignon province the arrival of the Pope is better represented by an event for the owner.donm61873 said:
Switch military access for vassal status and that won't be a problem.JohnnyReb said:
Underhand said:
You can send military forces into provinces owned by your vassals, so the Ottos wouldn't be stranded until the Byzantines broke the vassalage. A player will do that quickly, but he'll also revoke military access if it serves his purposes (i.e. always unless there's an event-driven declaration of war it can block, since the AI can cancel military access and declare war on the same day).JohnnyReb said:
If it's important that the TUR DoW over Athens fires correctly, yes. But then you'll have to delete the line 'NOT = { vassal = { country = BYZ country = TUR } }' from the triggers of event 3001000 otherwise that event will not fire. My own opinion would be that at the start of the game BYZ is so dependent on TUR that vassal status is appropriate in any case, and that this status would not stop TUR clipping BYZ's wings if it showed any signs of resurgence.donm61873 said:
Besides, I like the idea of playing Byzantium and knowing that if I expand at all it means an instant showdown with the Turks.
Underhand said:Speaking of which, I think there should be an event chain causing TUR to declare war if BYZ expands at all (since BYZ will have at least 2 provinces, this will not lead directly to annexation, only to the new province(s) being stripped away). By this I mean it would have a countrysize = 2 trigger, with the possible exceptions of Byzantine expansion to incorporate Morea and/or Trebizond. Byzantium may be being given opportunities it never had, but that doesn't mean that the OE in 1419 would tolerate any significant expansion, nor does it mean that the early years should not be extremely nerve-wracking and painful
JohnnyReb said:
It's a shame it'd be quite easy to avoid. Simply get into the OE's alliance before expanding. However, that only puts off the inevitable. You still need 7 provinces total to kick off the core-adding events, and two of those must be Macedonia and Bulgaria, so you more or less have to fight the Turks.JohnnyReb said:
#(1419-1500) Turks take issue with Byzantine expansion
event = {
id = 3001000
trigger = {
exists = TUR countrysize = 2 NOT = { war = { country = BYZ country = TUR } alliance = { country = BYZ country = TUR } }
}
}
random = NO
country = BYZ
name = "Turks decide to clip our wings"
desc = "Ever suspicious of Roman resurgence, the Sultan has decided that enough is enough and mobilises his troops to strip away our new lands."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
offset = 1 #immediate
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1500 }
action_a = {
name = "Oh bugger."
command = { type = vp value = 1 }
}
#(1419-1500) Turks take issue with Byzantine expansion (no war version)
event = {
trigger = { countrysize = 4 atwar = no event = 3001000 stability = -2 NOT = { alliance = { country = BYZ country = TUR } } }
id = 3001001
random = NO
country = TUR
name = "The Romans are getting cocky"
desc = "The Romans have abused our leniency in tolerating their existence, and have sought to expand their lands. We cannot allow this, my lord."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1500 }
action_a = {
name = "Glory to God! We march on Constantinople!" #Crush them
command = { type = war which = BYZ }
}
action_b = {
name = "They are so weak, it is no matter" #Let them be
command = { type = relation which = BYZ value = 100 }
command = { type = stability = -1 }
}
}
#(1419-1500) Turks take issue with Byzantine expansion (atwar version)
event = {
trigger = { countrysize = 4 atwar = yes event = 3001000 stability = -2 not = { event = 3001002 alliance = { country = BYZ country = TUR } } }
id = 3001002
random = NO
country = TUR
name = "The Romans are getting cocky"
desc = "The Romans have abused our leniency in tolerating their existence, and have sought to expand their lands. We cannot allow this, my lord."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1500 }
action_a = {
name = "This will have to wait... for now."
command = { type = relation which = BYZ value = 100 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Glory to God! We march on Constantinople!" #Crush them
command = { type = war which = BYZ }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 3001001 }
}
}Good thinking. There was one too many close brackets, so the event stopped just before 'random = NO'. It works now.JohnnyReb said:
Underhand said:I also seem to be crafting my own 'iron man' version of this add-on, by taking away all of BYZ's starting bonuses. Army down to 4k inf and 1k cav and navy to one galley and treasury reduced to 50 (like in the AGCEEP GC). Diplomats removed. Thrace's manpower reduced to zero and population to 10,000 (only to find that there's an event that reduces Thrace's population by 40,000 when war with the Ottos kicks off, leaving it at 1,000 - I think I'll restore Thrace's starting population
. . . That sounds like more than a challenge, it sounds absolutely impossible. How could you ever pull off a successful game under those conditions?
motiv-8 said:
It's not impossible. The AI is stupid and predictable, and I know a lot of tricks. I'm actually thinking of doing an AAR on it. Because there aren't enough Byzantine AARs already, you knowmotiv-8 said:
Well, part of it is that I think Byzantium starting the game with a decent army and a whopping navy is a bit silly. They were a pathetic remnant by this point in real life, and so they ought to be pathetic at the start of the game. It's the job of the player to make them great.donm61873 said:
I think you should add these lines to the trigger:
# Magna Graecia
event = {
id = 3001268
random = NO
country = BYZ
name = "Magna Graecia"
desc = "The waves of new immigrants to these shores has finally succeeded in changing the prevailing culture.
Greek is the lingua franca of Syracuse and Taranto once more!"
[COLOR=Yellow]#[/COLOR] date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1550 }
[COLOR=Yellow]#[/COLOR] offset = 3600 #10 years
[COLOR=Yellow]#[/COLOR] deathdate = { year = 1820 }
action_a = {
name = "Opa!"
command = { type = population which = 394 value = 1000 }
command = { type = population which = 395 value = 1000 }
command = { type = population which = 396 value = 1000 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 394 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 394 value = 1 }
command = { type = provinceculture which = 394 value = greek }
command = { type = provincetax which = 395 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 395 value = 1 }
command = { type = provinceculture which = 395 value = greek }
command = { type = provincetax which = 396 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 396 value = 1 }
command = { type = provinceculture which = 396 value = greek }
command = { type = relation which = NAP value = -100 } #They're still not happy...
command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = PIS value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = TOS value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = PAR value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = PAM value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = VEN value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = MLO value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = GEN value = -100 }
}
}