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AGCEEP: Navynames.csv (Please come check translations.)

Playing Spain again for old time's sake, I was reminded how terrible the navy names are; half in English, half in Spanglish. Being one of those people who likes everything named appropriately, I decided to put forth a new navynames.csv. There is one navynames mod on the forums, but the author was banned, and there hasn't been much discussion lately. (The mod thread is here, the discussion thread is here.)

After cleaning up and translating, if necessary, the names for the majors, I compiled the additional submissions and translations from these threads. (English meanings are given if I wrote them or they were given by the author.) After Courland, the names are mostly from Duke of Argyll's mod, so they are not all translated or satisfactory, but I figured I would put it up for discussion. My personal opinion is that the names should be in the native language, transliterated if necessary.

To those interested, please check over spellings, suggest new names or translations, or contest these ones. Specifically, I wasn't completely able to decipher the Norwegian names (and think there are bit too many of them), and I wasn't sure about the Danish names (and think there are too few of them). Admittedly, not all of these names are historical, and some of them I think are plainly bad, such as China's, but they do add some nice flavor. Hopefully other people are interested in coming up with new names.

Lastly, here are coastal countries missing names: Burgundy, Friesland, Oldenburg, Holstein, Stettin, Teutonic Order, Livonian Order, Novgorod, Provence, Tuscany, Modena, Athens, Order of St. John, Cyprus, Theodoros, Irish minors, Mamluks and most other African, Asian and Muslim nations. Non-coastal worth considering: Savoy, Hungary, Switzerland, Lithuania.

Code:
#France
FRA;Escadre du Ponant #Ponant Islands Squadron (Bretagne)
FRA;Escadre du Levant #Eastern Squadron (Provence)
FRA;Escadre de la Manche #English Channel Squadron
FRA;Flotte de l'Atlantique
FRA;Flotte de la Méditerranée
FRA;Escadre de l'Aquitaine #Aquitaine Squadron (Gascogne)
FRA;Flotte de l'Amérique
FRA;Flotte des Antilles
FRA;Flotte des Indes
FRA;Escadre Bleue #Blue Squadron
FRA;Escadre Rouge #Red Squadron
FRA;Escadre Blanche #White Squadron
FRA;Flotte Royale #Royal Fleet

#England
ENG;Home Fleet
ENG;Western Squadron
ENG;North Sea Squadron
ENG;Channel Squadron
ENG;Atlantic Fleet
ENG;American Fleet
ENG;West Indies Fleet
ENG;East Indies Fleet
ENG:Royal Navy Reserve Fleet
ENG;Blue Squadron
ENG;Red Squadron
ENG;White Squadron
ENG;St. George's Squadron

#Spain
SPA;Armada Real #Royal Navy
SPA;Armada del Mar Océano #Atlantic Fleet
SPA;Armada de Las Indias #American Fleet 
SPA;Armada de Barlovento #Caribbean Fleet 
SPA;Armada del Mar del Sur #Pacific Fleet
SPA;Armada del Estrecho #Strait of Gibraltar Fleet
SPA;Escuadra de Napoles
SPA;Escuadra de Sicilia
SPA;Escuadra de Levante
SPA;Escuadra de Galicia
SPA:Escuadra de Vizcaya
SPA;Escuadra de Cartagena
SPA:Escuadra de Castilla
SPA:Escuadra de Sevilla
SPA;Escuadra Roja #Red Squadron
SPA;Escuadra Blanca #White Squadron
SPA;Escuadra Amarilla #Yellow Squadron

#Prussia
PRU;Königlich Preußische Flotte #Royal Prussian Fleet
PRU;Ostseeflotte #Baltic Sea Fleet
PRU;Adlergeschwader #Eagle Squadron
PRU;Falkengeschwader #Falcon Squadron
PRU;Geschwader Kronprinz #Squadron Crown Prince
PRU;Nordseeflottille #North Sea Flotilla
PRU;Silbernes Geschwader #Silver Squadron 
PRU;Weißes Geschwader #White Squadron

#Russia
RUS;Czarskiy Standart #Czarist Fleet
RUS;Baltijskaja Eskadra #Baltic Sea Fleet
RUS;Chernomorskaja Eskadra #Black Sea Fleet
RUS;Perviy Baltijskiy Otrjad #First Baltic Squadron
RUS;Vtoroy Baltijskiy Otrjad #Second Baltic Squadron
RUS;Tretiy Baltijskiy Otrjad #Third Baltic Squadron
RUS;Perviy Chernomoskiy Otrjad #First Black Sea Squadron
RUS;Vtoroy Chernomoskiy Otrjad #Second Black Sea Squadron
RUS;Dneprovskaya Flotilija #Dniepr River Detachement
RUS;Dunajskaya Flotilija #Danube River Detachement
RUS;Dvinskaja Flotilija #Daugava River Detachement
RUS;Volzhskaja Flotilija #Volga River Detachement
RUS;Tichookeanskaja Eskadra #Pacific Fleet
RUS;(Perviy) Dal'nevostochniy Otrjad #(First) Pacific Squardon
RUS;Severnaja Eskadra #North Atlantic Fleet
RUS;(Perviy) Severomorskiy Otrjad #(First) Northern Squardon

#Ottoman Empire
TUR;Donanma-i Humayun
TUR;Akdeniz Donanmasi #Mediterranean Sea Fleet
TUR;Karadeniz Filosu #Black Sea Squadron
TUR;Kizildeniz Filosu #Red Sea Squadron
TUR;Suriye Filosu #Syria Squadron
TUR;Hind Donanmasi
TUR;Tunus Filosu #Tunisia Squadron
TUR;Adriyatik Filosu #Adriatic Squadron
TUR;Rodos Filosu #Rhodes Squadron
TUR;Kibris Filosu #Cyprus Squadron
TUR;Adalar Filosu #Princes Islands Squadron (Constantinople)
TUR;Girit Filosu #Crete Squadron
TUR;Malta Filosu #Malta Squadron
TUR;Cebelitarik Filosu #Strait of Gibraltar Squadron
TUR;Atlas Donanmasi #Atlantic Fleet

#Sweden
SWE;Kungliga Flottan #Royal Fleet
SWE;Östersjöflottan #Baltic Sea Fleet
SWE;Skärgådsflottan #Archipelago Fleet
SWE;Finska Flottan #Finnish Fleet
SWE;Blå Eskadern #Blue Squadron
SWE;Gula Eskadern #Yellow Squadron
SWE;Vita Eskadern #White Squadron
SWE;Röda Eskadern #Red Squadron
SWE;Atlantflottan #Atlantic Fleet

#Holland
HOL;Vloot der Republiek; #Fleet of the Republic
HOL;Watergeuzen #Water Beggars
HOL;Oranje Vlooteskader #Orange Squadron
HOL;Hollandse Vloot #Holland Fleet
HOL;Zeeuwse Vloot #Zeeland Fleet
HOL;Friese Vloot #Friesian Fleet
HOL;Noordzee Vloot #North Sea Fleet
HOL;Zuiderzee Vloot #South Sea Fleet
HOL;Oost Indië Vloot #East Indies Fleet
HOL;West Indië Vloot #West Indies Fleet
HOL:Sumatra Vloot #Sumatra Fleet
HOL;Blauwe Vlooteskader #Blue Squadron
HOL;Rode Vlooteskader #Red Squadron
HOL;Witte Vlooteskader #White Squadron
HOL;Verenigde Vloot; #United Fleet

#Austria
HAB;K.u.K. Flotte #Imperial and Royal Fleet
HAB;Habsburgische Flotte #Hapsburg Fleet
HAB;Adlergeschwader #Eagle Squadron
HAB;Goldenes Geschwader #Golden Squadron
HAB;Schwarzes Geschwader #Black Squadron
HAB;Geschwader St. Nikolaus #Squadron St. Nicolaus (patron saint of navigation)
HAB;Österreichische Mittelmeerflotte #Austrian Mediterranean Fleet
HAB;Österreichische Atlantikflotte #Austrian Atlantic Fleet
HAB;Österreichische Nordseeflotte #Austrian North Sea Fleet
HAB;Österreichische Ostseeflotte #Austrian Baltic Sea Fleet
HAB;Erzherzögliche Flottille #Archduke's Flotilla
HAB;Geschwader St. Leopold #Squadron St. Leopold

#Portugal
POR;Frota Real #Royal Fleet
POR;Frota do Atlântico
POR;Frota de África Ocidental #West African Fleet
POR;Frota de África do Leste #East African Fleet
POR;Frota de India
POR;Frota de Brasil
POR;Frota do Leste Distante #Far East Fleet
POR;Esquadrão de Açores #Azores Squadron
POR;Esquadrão de Verde do Cape #Cape Verde Squadron
POR;Esquadrão Verde #Green Squadron
POR;Esquadrão Vermelho #Red Squadron
POR;Esquadrão da Esperança #Squadron of Hope
POR;Esquadrão do Sangue #Squadron of Blood
POR;Esquadrão do Imaculada Conceição #Squadron of the Immaculate Conception

###

#Aragon
ARG;Gran Companyia 
ARG;Flota Catalana 
ARG;Flota d'Itàlia 
ARG;Flota de les Illes 
ARG;Flota Mediterrania 
ARG;Esquadra del Maresme 
ARG;Esquadra de Salou
ARG;Esquadra d'El Grau
ARG;Esquadra d'Alacant
ARG;Esquadra de Port Fangós
ARG;Esquadra de Roses
ARG;Armada Reial
ARG;Armada de la Mediterrània

#Baden
BAD;Zähringer Flotte #Zähringen Fleet
BAD;Markgräfliche Flotte #Margraval Fleet 
BAD;Rotes Geschwader #Red Squadron
BAD;Goldenes Geschwader #Golden Squadron
BAD;Pforzheimer Geschwader #Pforzheim Squadron
BAD;Rastatter Geschwader #Rastatt Squadron
BAD;Karlsruher Geschwader
BAD;Durlacher Geschwader
BAD;Markgräfliche Mittelmeerflotte #Margraval Mediterranean Fleet
BAD;Markgräfliche Nordseeflotte #Margraval North Sea Fleet
BAD;Markgräfliche Ostseeflotte #Margraval Baltic See Fleet
BAD;Markgräfliche Atlantikflotte #Margraval Atlantic Fleet

#Bavaria
BAY;Herzögliches Geschwader #Ducal Squadron
BAY;Wittelsbacher Marine #Wittelsbach Navy
BAY;Bayrische Mittelmeerflotte #Bavarian Mediterranean Fleet
BAY;Bayrische Atlantikflotte #Bavarian Atlantic Fleet
BAY;Bayrische Nordseeflotte #Bavarian North Sea Fleet
BAY;Bayrische Ostseeflotte #Bavarian Baltic Sea Fleet
BAY;Kurfürstlich Bayrische Flotte #Electoral Bavarian Fleet
BAY;Geschwader Kurprinz #Squadron Kurprinz (the successor to the electorate)

#Brabant
HAU;La Marine-Royale
HAU;Flotte de la Mer du Nord
HAU;Escadre d'Or
HAU;Escadre Sable
HAU;Flotte de Hollande

#Bremen
BRE;Erzbischöfliche Flotte #Archbishop's Fleet
BRE;Geschwader St. Willehad #Squadron St. Willehad
BRE;Geschwader St. Ansgar #Squadron St. Ansgar
BRE;Geschwader St. Adaldag #Squadron St. Adaldag
BRE;Geschwader St. Adalbert #Squadron St. Adalbert
BRE;Goldenes Geschwader #Golden Squadron
BRE;Silbernes Geschwader #Silver Squadron
BRE;Rotes Geschwader #Red Squadron
BRE;Weißes Geschwader #White Squadron

#Brittany
BRI;Morlu Dug
BRI;Morlu Bro Gernev 
BRI;Morlu Bro Zol 
BRI;Morlu Bro Leon 
BRI;Morlu Bro Naoned 
BRI;Morlu Bro Roazhon 
BRI;Morlu Bro Sant-Brieg 
BRI;Morlu Bro Sant-Malo 
BRI;Morlu Bro Dreger 
BRI;Morlu Bro-Wened

#Byzantine Empire
BYZ;Basilikon Ploimon #Imperial Navy (Constantinople)
BYZ;Aigiaon Ploimon #Aegean Navy
BYZ;Kibyrrhaiotai #Cilician Navy
BYZ;Thema Klimata #Crimean Navy
BYZ;Opsikion Ploimon #Smaller Smyrna Force
BYZ;Samon Ploimon #Second Aegean Navy
BYZ;Thrakesion Ploimon #Smaller Smyrna Force
BYZ;Thema Sikelia #Sicilian Navy
BYZ;Karabisianoi #obsolete fleet name
BYZ;Khilionautes #The Thousand Ships
BYZ;Alpha Ploimon
BYZ;Beta Ploimon
BYZ;Gamma Ploimon
BYZ;Delta Ploimon
BYZ;Epsilon Ploimon
BYZ;Zêta Ploimon
BYZ;Êta Ploimon
BYZ;Thêta Ploimon
BYZ;Iota Ploimon
BYZ;Kappa Ploimon
BYZ;Lamda Ploimon
BYZ;Mu Ploimon
BYZ;Nu Ploimon
BYZ;Xi Ploimon
BYZ;Omikron Ploimon
BYZ;Pi Ploimon
BYZ;Rho Ploimon
BYZ;Sigma Ploimon
BYZ;Tau Ploimon
BYZ;Upsilon Ploimon
BYZ;Phi Ploimon
BYZ;Chi Ploimon
BYZ;Psi Ploimon
BYZ;Omega Ploimon

#Castille
CAS;Armada Real #Royal Navy
CAS;Armada del Mar Océano #Atlantic Fleet
CAS;Armada del Mar Mediterráneo
CAS;Escuadra Roja #Red Squadron
CAS;Escuadra Blanca #White Squadron
CAS;Escuadra Amarilla #Yellow Squadron

#Catalonia
CAT;Gran Companyia
CAT;Flota Catalana
CAT;Armada de la Mediterrània

#Courland
KUR;Herzögliche Flotte #Ducal Fleet
KUR;Kurlandicher Geschwader #Kurland Squadron
KUR;Karibischer Geschwader #Caribbean Squadron
KUR;Afrikanischer Geschwader #African Squadron

#Denmark
DAN;Orlogsflåden #The Naval War Fleet
DAN;Østersøflåden #The Baltic Fleet
DAN;Nordsøeskadren # North Sea Squadron
DAN;Elb Eskadren #The Elbe River Squadron
DAN;Skærgårdsflåden #Archipelago Fleet 
DAN;Vestindiens Eskadren #West Indian Squadron
DAN;Ostindiens Eskadren #East Indian Squadron
DAN;Indiske Eskadre #Indian Squadron
DAN;Afrikanske Eskadre #African Squadron
DAN;Kanonbådsflotillen # The Gun Boat Flotilla
DAN;Øresundseskadren # The Sund Squadron
DAN;1. Eskadre
DAN;2. Eskadre
DAN;3. Eskadre
DAN;4. Eskadre
DAN;5. Eskadre
DAN;6. Eskadre
DAN;7. Eskadre
DAN;8. Eskadre
DAN;9. Eskadre
DAN;10. Eskadre

#Flanders
FLA;Vlaamse Vloot #Flemmish Fleet
FLA;Zeeuwse Vloot #Zeeland Fleet
FLA;Picardische Vloot #Picardie Fleet
FLA;Zwarte Vlooteskader #Black Squadron
FLA;Goude Vlooteskader #Golden Squadron

#Gelderland
GEL;Gelderse Vloot #Fleet of Gelderland
GEL;Noordzee Vloot #North Sea Fleet
GEL;Zuiderzee Vloot #South Sea Fleet
GEL;Blauwe Vlooteskader #Blue Squadron
GEL;Rode Vlooteskader #Red Squadron
GEL;Witte Vlooteskader #White Squadron

#Genoa
GEN;Flotta di Genova
GEN;Flotta del Mar Ligure
GEN;Flotta Corsa
GEN;Flotta di Bastia
GEN;Flotta Africana
GEN;Flotta del Mediterreano

#Mecklenburg
MEC;Herzögliche Flotte #Ducal Fleet
MEC;Geschwader Schwerin #Squadron Schwerin
MEC;Geschwader Stargard #Squadron Stargard
MEC;Herzögliche Nordseeflotte #Ducal North Sea Fleet
MEC;Herzögliche Ostseeflotte #Ducal Baltic Sea Fleet
MEC;Herzögliche Atlantikflotte #Ducal Atlantic Fleet

#Milan
MLO;Squadrone della Croce d'Oro #Golden Cross Squadron
MLO;Squadrone del Serpente Scarlatto #Crimson Serpent Squadron
MLO;Flotta del Mediterraneo
MLO;Flotta del Mar Tirreno #Tyrrhenian Sea Fleet

#Morea
SPR;Ton Despotes #The Despot's Fleet
SPR;Ploimon Dodekannson
SPR;Ploimon Kyrphon
SPR;Ploimon Rhodon

#Muscovy
MOS;Baltijskaja Eskadra #Baltic Sea Fleet
MOS;Perviy Baltijskiy Otrjad #First Baltic Squadron
MOS;Vtoroy Baltijskiy Otrjad #Second Baltic Squadron
MOS;Tretiy Baltijskiy Otrjad #Third Baltic Squadron

#Naples
NAP;Flotta di Santa Lucia
NAP;Flotta della Madonna Nostra
NAP;Flotta Reale
NAP;Flotta del Mediterraneo
NAP;Flotta Principale
NAP;Flotta Caprese
NAP;Squadrone di Pompei
NAP;Squadrone di Amalfi
NAP;Squadrone di Positano
NAP;Squadrone di Procida
NAP;Squadrone di Sorrento
NAP;Squadrone di Ischia
NAP;Squadrone del Vesuvio
NAP;Flotta Napoletana

#Navarra
NAV;Escadre de l'Atlantique
NAV;Escadre de la Méditerranée
NAV;Escuadra del Mundo Nuevo
NAV;Escuadra del Caribe
NAV;Escuadra de Cuba

#Norway
NOR;Norske Flåte #Norwegian Fleet
NOR;Kongens Flåte # The King's Fleet
NOR;Islandske Eskadre #Iceland Squadron
NOR;Kongelige Eskadre #Royal Squadron
NOR;Kystflåten #Coastal Fleet
NOR;Sankt Olav's Flåte #St. Olav's Fleet
NOR;Prinsens Eskadre #The Prince's Squadron
NOR;Grønlandsflåten #Greenland Fleet
NOR;Akershus Flåte #Akershus Fleet
NOR;Nidaros Flåte # Nidaros Fleet (Trondheim)

#Novgorod
NVG;Baltijskaja Eskadra #Baltic Sea Fleet
NVG;Perviy Baltijskiy Otrjad #First Baltic Squadron
NVG;Vtoroy Baltijskiy Otrjad #Second Baltic Squadron
NVG;Tretiy Baltijskiy Otrjad #Third Baltic Squadron

#Papal States
PAP;Ala Pontifica #Pontifical Squadron
PAP;Ala Romana #Roman Squadron
PAP;Ala de Mare Nostrum #Mediterranean Sea Squadron
PAP;Ala de Mare Superum #Adriatic Sea Squadron
PAP;Ala de Mare Inferum #Tyrrhenian Sea Squadron
PAP;Ala de Sancta Sedes #Holy See Squadron

#Poland
POL;Królewska Flota #Royal Fleet
POL;Biala Flotylla #White Squadron
POL;Czerwona Flotylla #Red Squadron
POL;Flota Morze Baltyckie #Baltic Sea Fleet
POL;Flotylla Gdánsk #Danzig Squadron
POL;Flotylla Reval #Reval (Talinn) Squadron

#Pommerania
POM;Greifenflottille #Griffin Flotilla
POM;Drachenflottille #Dragon Flotilla
POM;Basiliskenflottille #Basilisk Flotilla
POM;Lindwurmgeschwader #Wyvern Flottilla
POM;Herzögliche Ostseeflotte #Ducal Baltic Sea Fleet
POM;Herzögliche Nordseeflotte #Ducal North Sea Fleet
POM;Herzögliche Atlantikflotte #Ducal Atlantic Fleet

#Pskov
PSK;Baltijskaja Eskadra #Baltic Sea Fleet
PSK;Perviy Baltijskiy Otrjad #First Baltic Squadron
PSK;Vtoroy Baltijskiy Otrjad #Second Baltic Squadron
PSK;Tretiy Baltijskiy Otrjad #Third Baltic Squadron

#Québec
QUE;Escadre du Québec
QUE;Escadre de Saint-Laurent #Saint Lawrence Squadron
QUE;Escadre de l'Atlantique
QUE;Escadre du Nord #Northern Squadron
QUE;Escadre des Lacs #Great Lakes Squadron
QUE;Détachements Navals

#United States
USA;Continental Fleet
USA;Atlantic Squadron
USA;Great Lakes Squadron
USA;Gulf Squadron
USA;Continental Navy Reserves

#Venice
VEN;Flotta Militare Veneziana #Venetian Battle Fleet
VEN;Flotta Mercantile Veneziana #Venetian Merchant Fleet
VEN;Squadrone Scarlatto #Crimson Squadron
VEN;Squadrone Dorato #Golden Squadron
VEN;Squadrone del Doge #Doge's Squadron
VEN;Squadrone di San Marco #Saint Mark's Squadron
VEN;Galeoni di Cipro #Galley of Cyprus
VEN;Galeoni Rumeni #Galley of Romania
VEN;Galeoni Greci #Galley of Hellas
VEN;Leone Dorato #Golden Lion
VEN;Il Bucentauro #The Bucentauro

###

#Albania
ALB;First Albanian Fleet
ALB;Second Albanian Fleet
ALB;Third Albanian Fleet

#China
CHI;Imperial Navy
CHI;Dragon Squadron
CHI;Shanghai Merchant Fleet
CHI;Emperor's Fleet

#Éire
EIR;Home Fleet
EIR;Shamrock Squadron
EIR;Emerald Squadron
EIR;Veridian Squadron
EIR;Peridot Squadron
EIR;Green Squadron
EIR;St. Patrick's Squadron

#Korea
KOR;Royal Fleet
KOR;Gold Squadron
KOR;Black Squadron
KOR;Red Squadron
KOR;Seoul Fleet
KOR;Royal Naval Reserves

#Japan
NIP;First Imperial Fleet
NIP;Second Imperial Fleet
NIP;Third Imperial Fleet
NIP;Crimson Squadron
NIP;White Squadron
NIP;Sea of Japan Detachment

#Scotland
SCO;Home Fleet
SCO;Royal Atlantic Squadron
SCO;Royal Fleet of the Hebrides
SCO;Azure Squadron
SCO;Silver Squadron
SCO;Saltire Squadron
SCO;White Squadron
SCO;Unicorn Squadron
SCO;St. Andrew's Squadron
SCO;Royal Naval Reserves
 
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#Scotland
SCO;Scottish Home Fleet
SCO;Royal Atlantic Squadron
SCO;Royal Fleet of the Hebrides
SCO;Azure Squadron
SCO;Silver Squadron
SCO;Saltire Squadron
SCO;White Squadron
SCO;Unicorn Squadron
ENG;St. Andrew's Squadron
SCO;Scottish Royal Naval Reserves

should be SCO?

You say the Swiss dont have any? (no surprise :D ), but what language would they be? Italian? - most likely ports. Or German.

yours
Ayeshteni
 
For Québec :
"Détachementes Navales" should be "Détachements Navals"
(Détachement is male in french)

For Brabant :
Nordenmeer Fleet => Flotte de la Mer du Nord (just french translation, or is "Fleet" dutch also?)
Flotte d'Hollande => Flotte de Hollande
 
I have edited the code in my first post to reflect the corrections thus far. I have also translated the Polish names, translated the Papal States names from Italian to Latin, added United States names, changed the Naples names to reflect the fleet/squadron differentiation, and made several other minor changes and additions. The list is separated into three parts now. The first part, until Portugal, reflects the order of the vanilla names. The second part, until Venice, is non-vanilla, translated names in alphabetical order. The third part is untranslated names from Count of Argyll's mod in alphabetical order. I do not claim to be a master linguist, so I hope those knowledgeable of these languages will continue to post corrections. I will continue to work on some other names and translations. Also, I would like to see more of the major naval powers to have more generic names. So far, the generic names are colors, patron saints, mascots, etc. Other ideas would be welcome.

Ayeshteni: I'm not sure what language Swiss naval units should be in. Obviously, there isn't much historical precedent. But if you notice, the Navarra units are half in French, half in Spanish.
 
This is a wonderful idea!

I also like seeing the names more historically accurate. It just helps with the immersion. :)

BYZ's fleets should be something along these lines:

Code:
BYZ;Basilikon Ploimon #Imperial navy at Constantinople
#(incidentally, if BYZ starts the game with a fleet, this should be its title)
BYZ;Aigiaon Ploimon #Aegean navy
BYZ;Kibyrrhaiotai #Cilician navy, incl. Rhodes
BYZ;Thema Klimata #Crimean navy
BYZ;Opsikion Ploimon #smaller Smyrna force
BYZ;Samon Ploimon #2d Aegean navy
BYZ;Thrakesion Ploimon #smaller Smyrna force
BYZ;Thema Sikelia #Sicilian navy
BYZ;Karabisianoi #obsolete fleet name

& Some imaginary fleets or fleet building words
Code:
BYZ;Kupron Ploimon #Cyprus
BYZ;Kretes Ploimon #Crete
BYZ;Ploimon ton Neson #of the Islands
BYZ;Italias Ploimon #Italy
BYZ;Indikon Ploimon #Indian Ocean
BYZ;Aigypton Ploimon #Egypt
BYZ;Karthagon Ploimon #Tunisia
BYZ;Ploimon tes Afrikes #2d Tunisian fleet

BYZ;Ploimon #'navy'
BYZ;Khilionautes #'the thousand ships'
BYZ;Nauarkhia #'fleet'
BYZ;Stolos #'fleet'
BYZ;Nautikoton #'fleet'

Since I don't know Greek, some of the tenses may need adjusting, but that's more or less accurate :)
jay.
 
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tuesday4am said:
Also, I would like to see more of the major naval powers to have more generic names. So far, the generic names are colors, patron saints, mascots, etc. Other ideas would be welcome.

One (too?) obvious solution is to name at least some of them after the areas where you know the country will have a naval presence: Britain, e.g., should have a "Caribbean Squadron" and an "Fleet of the Indias."

jay.
 
Llywelyn said:
One (too?) obvious solution is to name at least some of them after the areas where you know the country will have a naval presence: Britain, e.g., should have a "Caribbean Squadron" and an "Fleet of the Indias."

jay.

Great, thanks for the Byzantine names. I'll add them to the list soon. Perhaps some of them can be used for Morea and Athens too.

The basic nomenclature I've been using is as follows. The first name is the "flagship" fleet, e.g. Royal, Imperial, Continental, Home, etc. unless there are enough geographic names to obviate this need, as in the case of France. Then, the "flagship" name is at the end, as an extra name. Next comes geographic names, based on where the country historically had fleets. These are divided into fleets and squadrons; fleets for oceans or continents, squadrons for regions and smaller bodies of water. Last come "generic" squadrons: colors, mascots, patron saints, reserves, etc. I'm curious to know if people prefer having a lot of extra generic names, or simply prefer the default English names (based on where the fleet is created or split) after the standard ones run out, if they have an opinion on this at all. Actually, I would be curious to know how many people even bother assigning their armies and navies the correct names. Me, I find myself splitting and reorganizing a lot, especially after a war.

Anyway, as far as I can tell, "Caribbean" wasn't used very much; most of the world at this time refered to the Caribbean islands as the "West Indies", India and the "Spice Islands" were refered to as the "East Indies". Britain later had a East Indies Fleet, so this is what I used, and their "Caribbean" fleet is called the West Indies Fleet. In other languages, such as Dutch and French, the Caribbean islands are called the Antilles and the East Indies simply as the "Indies" or "India," so their names reflect these differences.
 
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#Spain
SPA;Armada Real #Royal Navy
SPA;Flota Atlántica
SPA;Flota Mediterránea
SPA;Flota Américana
SPA;Flota de las Antillas
SPA;Flota India
SPA;Escuadra de Galicia
SPA;Escuadra de Valencia
SPA;Escuadra de Napoli
SPA;Escuadra de Sicilia
SPA;Escuadra de Antigua
SPA;Escuadra de La Plata
SPA;Escuadra Roja #Red Squadron
SPA;Escuadra Blanca #White Squadron
SPA;Escuadra Amarillo #Yellow Squadron

Change "Flota Américana" for "Flota de las Américas"(or "Flota Americana"), "Flota India" for "Flota de las Indias"(or "Flota Índica" if you mean the indian ocean) "Escuadra de Napoli" for "Escuadra de Nápoles"... and "Escuadra Amarillo" for "Escuadra Amarilla"

Also i wouldnt use "Escuadra de Antigua"(if you´re naming it after the caribbean island)

You could also add the historical Levante Guipúzcoa, Vizcaya, Castilla and Andalucía Squadrons(Escuadra=Squadron).

Anyway, I personaly would use this list instead(i think it's a bit more historicaly accurate):

#Spain
SPA;Armada Real #Royal Navy
SPA;Armada del Mar Océano #Atlantic Fleet
SPA;Armada de Las Indias #American Fleet
SPA;Armada de Barlovento #Caribbean Fleet
SPA;Armada del Mar del Sur #Pacific Fleet
SPA;Armada del Estrecho #Guards the Gibraltar Strait
SPA;Escuadra de Napoles
SPA;Escuadra de Sicilia
SPA;Escuadra de Levante
SPA;Escuadra de Galicia
SPA:Escuadra de Vizcaya
SPA;Escuadra de Cartagena
SPA:Escuadra de Castilla
SPA:Escuadra de Sevilla
SPA;Escuadra Roja #Red Squadron
SPA;Escuadra Blanca #White Squadron
SPA;Escuadra Amarilla #Yellow Squadron



great work, btw!
 
Toom said:
Change "Flota Américana" for "Flota de las Américas"(or "Flota Americana"), "Flota India" for "Flota de las Indias"(or "Flota Índica" if you mean the indian ocean) "Escuadra de Napoli" for "Escuadra de Nápoles"... and "Escuadra Amarillo" for "Escuadra Amarilla"

Also i wouldnt use "Escuadra de Antigua"(if you´re naming it after the caribbean island)

You could also add the historical Levante Guipúzcoa, Vizcaya, Castilla and Andalucía Squadrons(Escuadra=Squadron).

Anyway, I personaly would use this list instead(i think it's a bit more historicaly accurate):

#Spain
SPA;Armada Real #Royal Navy
SPA;Armada del Mar Océano #Atlantic Fleet
SPA;Armada de Las Indias #American Fleet
SPA;Armada de Barlovento #Caribbean Fleet
SPA;Armada del Mar del Sur #Pacific Fleet
SPA;Armada del Estrecho #Guards the Gibraltar Strait
SPA;Escuadra de Napoles
SPA;Escuadra de Sicilia
SPA;Escuadra de Levante
SPA;Escuadra de Galicia
SPA:Escuadra de Vizcaya
SPA;Escuadra de Cartagena
SPA:Escuadra de Castilla
SPA:Escuadra de Sevilla
SPA;Escuadra Roja #Red Squadron
SPA;Escuadra Blanca #White Squadron
SPA;Escuadra Amarilla #Yellow Squadron



great work, btw!

No, your list looks great, I'll add them when I update the list next. The Spanish names were my translations from the vanilla names, so I admit they weren't perfect. I see you left out the Mediterrranean fleet, but I suppose it is made up by all the Mediterrranean squadrons. What would be the proper name for a Mediterrranean fleet (I'm thinking for Castille too)? Armada del Mar Mediterráneo?

I hope people will continue to look over the translations.
 
tuesday4am said:
Great, thanks for the Byzantine names.

You're welcome. :) You'd be amazed how hard it is working in English to find the actual Mediaeval Greek terms for naval warfare, but then most countries don't have a past like Salamis to clog up the search engines.

I'll add them to the list soon. Perhaps some of them can be used for Morea and Athens too.

Morea might have something "ton Despotes" - the Despot's personal fleet - and then double up on some of the closer ones. "Ploimon Dodekannson," "Ploimon Kyrphon," and "Ploimon Rhodon" would be small, local affairs that SPR would have but BYZ wouldn't. I really don't see SPR having many fleets before it turns into BYZ though. :)

Contrary to some of the current lists, ATH's fleets and armies should have Italian names. GRE would prolly just use some of those archaic Greek "nautikos" forms instead of "ploimon."

The first name is the "flagship" fleet, next comes geographic names, based on where the country historically had fleets. These are divided into fleets and squadrons; fleets for oceans or continents, squadrons for regions and smaller bodies of water. Last come "generic" squadrons: colors, mascots, patron saints, reserves, etc.

Well, all I was saying was that some more generic names (especially for an expansive player) could come from giving fleet names for ahistorical areas. (e.g., BYZ hadn't had an Indian Ocean fleet in almost 1000 yrs, but I'll be damned if it doesn't get one every game I play (if I survive the first 20 years, anyway :D.))

The squad/fleet division seems appropriate.

My only thoughts on the generic names are that countries should be consistant - i.e., if ENG has color squadrons, it gets all and only color squadrons after a certain point and not numbers, saints, etc. except where historically justified.

Besides colors, mascots, patron saints, reserves there's auxiliaries, support, tender fleet, etc.; for pagans, Hindus, and Chinese, there's gods' names; interior region names (e.g., Switz. could have a "Bern squadron" presumably crewed or funded by the locals; ) letters (or those weird "call letters" - Bravo, Charlie, Delta - although that's obv. ahistorical; ) totem animals for pagans and natives; and, natch, numbers. :) After all, the fleets that currently run the world's oceans - America's - are only ever called "5th Fleet" etc. I don't know how common the practice was before rationalization and modernity, but it has to have been common in some places.

I'm curious to know if people prefer having a lot of extra generic names, or simply prefer the default English names (based on where the fleet is created or split) after the standard ones run out, if they have an opinion on this at all.

Yep. First one, at least to a reasonable depth. There's no reason each of the ships I keep out in the Caribbean as pirate patrols needs to have a cool name, but it's certainly more fun if at least a major armada or two per ocean isn't called "Naples Squadron." Obviously, armies need more name depth for most countries; but POR just isn't fun if you run out of fleet names after six expeditions.

Actually, I would be curious to know how many people even bother assigning their armies and navies the correct names.

It's a lot to muck with the files myself - I only have really cared to do it with BYZ and maybe later with WLS - but I appreciate the care shown when it's included in the game. :)

jay.
 
Incidentally, when BYZ or the Greeks run out of place names, their fleets would be based on the alphabet - like in Hebrew, it doubled for most of Greek history as their numbering system.

BYZ;Ploimon Alpha
BYZ;Ploimon Beta
BYZ;Ploimon Gamma
BYZ;Ploimon Delta
etc.
etc.
to
BYZ;Ploimon Digamma #6
BYZ;Ploimon Koppa #90
BYZ;Ploimon Sampi #900
BYZ;Ploimon San #old "sigma" stand in
(which are archaic letters only used as numbers, and don't get included in normal character sets)

or - if the game engine allows it -

BYZ;α Ploimon
BYZ;β Ploimon
BYZ;γ Ploimon
BYZ;δ Ploimon
BYZ;ε Ploimon
BYZ;ζ Ploimon
BYZ;η Ploimon
BYZ;Θ Ploimon
BYZ;ι Ploimon
BYZ;κ Ploimon
BYZ;λ Ploimon
BYZ;μ Ploimon
BYZ;ν Ploimon
BYZ;ξ Ploimon
BYZ;ο Ploimon
BYZ;π Ploimon
BYZ;ρ Ploimon
BYZ;Σ Ploimon
BYZ;τ Ploimon
BYZ;υ Ploimon
BYZ;φ Ploimon
BYZ;χ Ploimon #the Lucky Christophilic one :)
BYZ;Ψ Ploimon
BYZ;ω Ploimon
which I think would look cool

jay.
 
#Holland
HOL;Vloot der Republiek; #Fleet of the Republic
HOL;Watergeuzen #Water Beggars
HOL;Oranje Vlooteskader #Orange Squadron
HOL;Hollandse Vloot #Holland Fleet
HOL;Vlaamse Vloot #Flanders Fleet
HOL;Zeeuwse Vloot #Zeeland Fleet
HOL;Friese Vloot #Friesian Fleet
HOL;Noordzee Vloot #North Sea Fleet
HOL;Zuiderzee Vloot #South Sea Fleet

HOL;Oost Indië Vloot #Dutch East Indies Fleet
HOL;West Indië Vloot #Antilles Fleet
HOL:Sumatra Vloot #Sumatra Fleet
HOL;Blauwe Vlooteskader #Blue Squadron
HOL;Rode Vlooteskader #Red Squadron
HOL;Witte Vlooteskader #White Squadron
HOL;Verenigde Vloot; #United Fleet

Added two names for the other two important bnaval provinces, plus two for the Noordzee and Zuiderzee (current IJsselmeer). Vlaamse Vloot should maybe be removed, if things work out historically they shouldn't have Flanders. Corrected the color names.

#Flanders
FLA;Vlaamse Vloot #Flemmish Fleet
FLA;Zeeuwse Vloot #Zeeland Fleet
FLA;Picardische Vloot #Picardie Fleet
FLA;Zwarte Vlooteskader #Black Squadron
FLA;Goude Vlooteskader #Golden Squadron

Corrected the color names.

#Gelderland
GEL;Gelderse Vloot #Fleet of Gelderland
GEL;Noordzee Vloot #North Sea Fleet
GEL;Zuiderzee Vloot #South Sea Fleet
GEL;Blauwe Vlooteskader #Blue Squadron
GEL;Rode Vlooteskader #Red Squadron
GEL;Witte Vlooteskader #White Squadron

Some for Gelderland.

I will try to find good friesian names for Friesland.
 
#Russia
RUS;Imperskij Flot #Imperial Fleet
RUS;Goluboj Flotiliya #Blue Squadron
RUS;Krasnyj Flotiliya #Red Squadron
RUS;Belyj Flotiliya #White Squadron
RUS;Baltiyskoye More Flot #Baltic Sea Fleet
RUS;Chernoye More Flot #Black Sea Fleet
RUS;Beringovo More Flot #Bering Sea Fleet
That's wrong. Adjusted to russian grammar, this would be like that:

RUS;Imperskij Flot #Imperial Fleet
RUS;Golubaja Flotiliya #Blue Squadron
RUS;Krasnaja Flotiliya #Red Squadron
RUS;Belaja Flotiliya #White Squadron
RUS;Baltijskij Flot #Baltic Sea Fleet
RUS;Chernomorskij Flot #Black Sea Fleet
RUS;Severnyj Flot #Northern Fleet
 
tuesday4am said:
No, your list looks great, I'll add them when I update the list next. The Spanish names were my translations from the vanilla names, so I admit they weren't perfect. I see you left out the Mediterrranean fleet, but I suppose it is made up by all the Mediterrranean squadrons. What would be the proper name for a Mediterrranean fleet (I'm thinking for Castille too)? Armada del Mar Mediterráneo?

I hope people will continue to look over the translations.

well, i dont know if there ever was a "mediterranean fleet", i just know about several galley squadrons that operated there, but Armada del Mar Mediterráneo sounds good.
 
almoravid said:
That's wrong. Adjusted to russian grammar, this would be like that:

RUS;Imperskij Flot #Imperial Fleet
RUS;Golubaja Flotiliya #Blue Squadron
RUS;Krasnaja Flotiliya #Red Squadron
RUS;Belaja Flotiliya #White Squadron
RUS;Baltijskij Flot #Baltic Sea Fleet
RUS;Chernomorskij Flot #Black Sea Fleet
RUS;Severnyj Flot #Northern Fleet

Adjusted to Russian History - "Northern Fleet" is anachronism - I'm afraid (this Fleet was created just in WWI times), but it can be used in some sort of imaginable scenarios.

Never met terms: "Imperial Fleet" or any "colourful Flotiliya" as well.
"Tcarskiy Standart/Flot" - instead of "Imperial Fleet" in times of Peter the Great, later - only "Pervaya Escadra".

Instead of any "coloured" names were used only nominative definitions:
"Pervaja", "Vtoraja" and "Tretja" with meaning "First", "Second" and "Third" - "Flotilija" till end of XVIII, but from Catherine II the Great times - only "Escadra" for big fleets, and "Otrjad" (Detachment) for small groups ("Perviy", "Vtoroy" or "Tretiy" Otrjad - respectedly...)

Bering and his crew must receive name - "Dal'nevostochniy Otrjad" as in archives, if game would favor his labours/discoveries, Russia would receive "Tikhookeanskiy Otrjad/Flot" ("Pacific Detachment") earlier then in history (end of XIX century).

Except that there was special name for dedicated Marine Navy troops - like "Gvardeyskiy Ekipage" (Guard Marine) or just "Ekipage". If Russia would get in game course some far-seas colonies - all Russian Navy what would go there would bear "Gvardeyskiy Ekipage", "Perviy Ekipage" and etc.

Bash

P.S. Almoravid, - come on. You are St.Petersburg inhabitant - not me! Why must I explain to "Heart of Navy" inhabitant about Russian navy names?!
Direct translation isn't enough - guy asked about REAL names of our Navy!
 
almoravid said:
That's wrong. Adjusted to russian grammar, this would be like that:

RUS;Imperskij Flot #Imperial Fleet
RUS;Golubaja Flotiliya #Blue Squadron
RUS;Krasnaja Flotiliya #Red Squadron
RUS;Belaja Flotiliya #White Squadron
RUS;Baltijskij Flot #Baltic Sea Fleet
RUS;Chernomorskij Flot #Black Sea Fleet
RUS;Severnyj Flot #Northern Fleet

By the way - my friend just ICQed me about this post again.
He read this post and just missed point, but his colleagues just rolled out from laughing. Problem is:
There wasn't any Navy Detachment in whole Russian history with name -
"Golubaja Flotiliya", because on informal level it means quite abusive invective. Something like... ehm... "Gay Crowd" - in polite language, I'm afraid.

Bash
 
Bash said:
By the way - my friend just ICQed me about this post again.
He read this post and just missed point, but his colleagues just rolled out from laughing. Problem is:
There wasn't any Navy Detachment in whole Russian history with name -
"Golubaja Flotiliya", because on informal level it means quite abusive invective. Something like... ehm... "Gay Crowd" - in polite language, I'm afraid.

Bash

:rofl:
That's pretty hilarious. That name should be kept just for the fun of it... :D
 
Hallsten said:
:rofl:
That's pretty hilarious. That name should be kept just for the fun of it... :D

Mind you - it would be rather double-edged decision. Just imagine - enemy Navy come to your shores and start to disembark. Name of invaders is - "Fag/Schwule Squad" or some equivalent of this invective. Your soldiers recognize whole range of possible implications of this name and possible outcoming of battle with... such opponent and start to run away faster then local virgins. Then Great Northern War would end in no time :).
In other way defenders would be invigorated to no extent preferring death to inprisonment, because after hostility ending their honour in home country would be... ehm... marred a bit.
Yep, their honor would be marred if troops in question call to their weird name, or not - I'm afraid ;). Then Great Northern War would be more bloody.

It means - Great Northern War would convert into bloody blitzkrieg, but Mother Russia in whole time of her history preferred "Sitzkriegs" over "blitzes".
Then such name would be - absolutely impossible, because its existence would led Mother Russia to wrong kind of war. Do you see? ;)

Bash