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TURKISH NAVY NAMES:


TUR;Donanma-i Humayun #Imperial Fleet
TUR;Akdeniz Donanmasi #Mediterranean Fleet
TUR;Karadeniz Donanmasi #Blacksea Fleet
TUR;Kostantiniyye Kalyonlari #Constantinople Galleons
TUR;Kizildeniz Filosu #Red Sea Squadron
TUR;Suriye Filosu #Syrian Squadron
TUR;Hind Donanmasi #Indian Fleet
TUR;Cezayir Kalyonlari #Algerian Galleons
TUR;Tunus Kalyonlari #Tunisian Galleons
TUR;Arnavut Kalyonlari #Albanian Galleons
TUR;Egriboz Kalyonlari #Negropontine Galleons
TUR;Kefalonya Kalyonlari #Cephallonian Galleons
TUR;Rodos Kalyonlari #Rhodian Galleons
TUR;Kibris Kalyonlari #Cypriot Galleons
TUR;Adalar Filosu #Squadron of the Islands (Aegean)
TUR;Girit Kalyonlari #Cretan Galleons
TUR;Basra Filosu #Basrah Squadron
TUR;Afrika Filosu #African Squadron
TUR;Malta Kalyonlari #Maltese Galleons
TUR;Cebelitarik Kalyonlari #Gibraltar Galleons
TUR;Donanma-i Bahr-i Garp #Western Sea Fleet (Atlantic)
TUR;Trablus Filosu #Tripolitan Squadron
TUR;Kostantiniyye Kadirgalari #Constantinople Galleys
TUR;Suriye Kadirgalari #Syrian Galleys
TUR;Tunus Kadirgalari #Tunisian Galleys
TUR;Arnavut Kadirgalari #Albanian Galleys
TUR;Cezayir Kadirgalari #Algerian Galleys
TUR;Trablus Kadirgalari #Tripolitan Galleys

I have compiled an initial list to serve as a base for a better list. Better than Red and Blue Squadrons that is.
 
Thanks for the updates. I guess I should have bumped this before posting in submissions thread. Anyway, the "red, white and blue" squardons are a leftover from vanilla, of course, and were left when there weren't quite enough real names. If they are at the bottom of the list, I can't see the harm, since you will be just getting a generic location fleet name anyway.

Question: is there a standard length for the names? I saw someone post about that, and some of these really are far too long. It doesn't bother me too much though.

Also, anyone have any ideas for fleet names for Order of St. John and Cyprus? I've been playing with them, and they are decent naval powers, but no fleet names. (And I love fleet names, as you can tell.) Perhaps someone who knew some Italian and Greek could suggest some.

Also, note that the names at the end of the list (in the first post) should be in native languages. Does anyone know East Asian languages (Korean, Japanese, Chinese) or Gaelic (Scottish and Irish)? Or Albanian?
 
I think Latin names for Maltese knights would be great. But I am not sure which ones are better and more accurate for them.

Scottish IMO should be defiantly in Scots (English dialect).
 
tuesday4am said:
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Also, anyone have any ideas for fleet names for Order of St. John and Cyprus? I've been playing with them, and they are decent naval powers, but no fleet names. (And I love fleet names, as you can tell.) Perhaps someone who knew some Italian and Greek could suggest some.
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have three for knights from the battle of lepanto 1571

Prior of Messina, it was based in Malta
Order of St john
Order of St peter
 
Toio said:
have three for knights from the battle of lepanto 1571

Prior of Messina, it was based in Malta
Order of St john
Order of St peter
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Are they ship names or fleet names?
 
Tunch Khan said:
Are they ship names or fleet names?
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both, as due to the fact the knights had not a big fleet and any ship smaller than a galley became part of the galley's name to become a fleet.
 
Toio said:
have three for knights from the battle of lepanto 1571

Prior of Messina, it was based in Malta
Order of St john
Order of St peter
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I think the Prior of Messina was a position held by an admiral of the Order. The ship was called Vittoria of Malta. It's hard to find information on their naval history, but here is a site with some decent naval information. I'm still looking around.
 
tuesday4am said:
I think the Prior of Messina was a position held by an admiral of the Order. The ship was called Vittoria of Malta. It's hard to find information on their naval history, but here is a site with some decent naval information. I'm still looking around.
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May be some artificial names are better: something like Adriatic Fleet, Mediterranean Squadron etc?
 
tuesday4am said:
I think the Prior of Messina was a position held by an admiral of the Order. The ship was called Vittoria of Malta. It's hard to find information on their naval history, but here is a site with some decent naval information. I'm still looking around.
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i have every ship, every commanders name for all the league who partipated in lepanto

knights had

Lantern ship, named "flagsip of Malta" captain was "Pietro Giustiniano" who died at the battle

the had also 2 galleys
named - Saint Pierre - captain was "Pierre Saint Aubin"
and
San Juan - captain was "Alonso de Trejada"
 
Toio said:
i have every ship, every commanders name for all the league who partipated in lepanto

knights had

Lantern ship, named "flagsip of Malta" captain was "Pietro Giustiniano" who died at the battle

the had also 2 galleys
named - Saint Pierre - captain was "Pierre Saint Aubin"
and
San Juan - captain was "Alonso de Trejada"
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Yeah, but the ship itself wasn't called the Prior of Messina. It was the "Flagship of Malta" or "Vittoria" or "Capitana" of Malta. Pietro Giustiniano was the Prior of the Messina. I'm not sure how to translate that though.

Ordo Sancti Joannis
Ordo Sancti Pietro
Ordo Sancti Raimundus (St. Raymond, a larger warship type built around 17000)
 
From the weird discussion in the Bugs thread. So, it turns out that size does matter. Navynames should not have more than 31 characters.

Here are those that will cause problem:
Code: 
HAB;Österreichische Mittelmeerflotte
MLO;Squadrone del Serpente Scarlatto
POR;Esquadrao do Imaculada Conceiçao
TOS;L'Ordine dei Cavelieri di San Stefano
It seems that we have three options: delete them, move them at the end of the list, or try to write them another way, like replacing "esquadrao" with "frota" (used in other entries) or "squadrone" with "flotta" (also used in other entries).

I'd rather go with the third option, although I have no idea for the other two names.
 
Thanks for your test.

I agree with the proposal for the MLO (flotta) and POR (frota) entries. But could someone confirm?

For the HAB entry, we could just remove "Österreichische".
Österreichische Mittelmeerflotte means Austrian Fleet of the Mediterranean See. But we already know it is for Austria...

For the TOS one, maybe simply "Cavelieri di San Stefano" could fit.
L'Ordine dei Cavelieri di San Stefano means The Order of the Knights of San Stefano.
 
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YodaMaster said:
Thanks for your test.

I agree with the proposal for the MLO (flotta) and POR (frota) entries. But could someone confirm?

For the HAB entry, we could just remove "Österreichische".
Österreichische Mittelmeerflotte means Austrian Fleet of the Mediterranean See. But we already know it is for Austria...

For the TOS one, maybe simply "Cavelieri di San Stefano" could fit.
L'Ordine dei Cavelieri di San Stefano means The Order of the Knights of San Stefano.
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I agree with the Austrian choice
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The TOS means
The Order of the Knights of Saint Stephen.

The naval arm was only called
L'Ordine de San Stefano

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MLO;Squadrone del Serpente Scarlatto
This means, Squadron of the Scarlet Serpent
I suggest
MLO;Flotta del Serpente Scarlatto

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POR;Esquadrao do Imaculada Conceiçao
95% sure this means , Squadron of the Immaculate Conception

use
POR;Frota do Imaculada Conceiçao
 
About "L'Ordine de San Stefano". Shouldn't it be "Ordine di Santo Stefano" instead?

See here (in Italian) and here (in French but the name of the Order is mentioned in Italian, see note at the bottom of page 300).
 
YodaMaster said:
About "L'Ordine de San Stefano". Shouldn't it be "Ordine di Santo Stefano" instead?

See here (in Italian) and here (in French but the name of the Order is mentioned in Italian, see note at the bottom of page 300).
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yes you are correct for this tuscan order "Ordine di Santo Stefano"

de is french and spanish

do is portuguese

but da would be too northern italian

my initial thoughts where "Ordine da San Stefano" ;)

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by the way where is the VEN naval arm you recently created , I cannot find it here

VEN;Flotta di Zobenigo
VEN;Galeoni di Fhlandria
VEN;Galeoni di Quarnera
VEN;Squadrone di San Moisee
VEN;Flotta Mercantile Veneziana
VEN;Flotta Militare Veneziana
VEN;Flotta da San Zanipolo
VEN;Flotta da San Stae
VEN;Galeoni di Cipro
VEN;Galeoni Greci
VEN;Galeoni Rumeni
VEN;Il Bucentauro ---this is the doge private boat for special occasions
VEN;Leone Dorato
VEN;Squadrone del Doge --- never was one
VEN;Squadrone di San Marco
VEN;Squadrone Dorato
VEN;Squadrone Scarlatto ---- never was one

plus i need some removed and below added
VEN;Flotta da San Zanipolo
commissioned in 1453 under Alvise Diedo to help Constantinople, escapes the fall with christian to thessalonika. Zanipolo means John Paul

VEN;Flotta da San Stae
commisioned in 1571 under sebastiano Venier for Corfu, before he took over the current Admiral Zane grand fleet and went on to fight at lepanto
Stae mean Eustachius

These 2 , Zanipolo and Stae where the only Venetian fleets to be named after Church's.

Edit: aditions

VEN;Flotta di Zobenigo - Means fleet of the lily , named after a rich noble family, Zuberico, who had trading rights between barcelona and nice, commencing in the 10th century

VEN;Galeoni di Fhlandria - Galleons of Flanders, a once in a year trading trip to southampton and flanders using exclusively, only war galleys. FH spelling is a very old form, similar sound to Ph in english ie phone

VEN;Galeoni di Quarnera - galley fleet which patroled from istria (not including istria) to albania, basically what venice referred to as dalmazia

VEN;Squadrone di San Moisee - The only fleet name i found which represented 1 of the six venetian districts. The double e is the correct spelling.
 
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Final proposal:
Code: 
HAB;[COLOR=Red]Österreichische[/COLOR] Mittelmeerflotte
MLO;[COLOR=Red]Squadrone[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]Flotta[/COLOR] del Serpente Scarlatto
POR;[COLOR=Red]Esquadrao[/COLOR] [COLOR=Yellow]Frota[/COLOR] do Imaculada Conceiçao
TOS;[COLOR=Red]L'[/COLOR]Ordine [COLOR=Red]dei Cavelieri[/COLOR] di San[COLOR=Yellow]to[/COLOR] Stefano
I'll look into armynames.csv when I get the time.
 
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