AGCEEP Timurids & Mughals

[Garbon]

This thread is to discuss both the Timurid and Mughal dynasties.

 

[McCaslin]

Mughal Empire??

Hello. I've been trying to replicate the fall of the Timurid Empire, and subsequent rise of the Mughals. I've done this before, in Vanilla EU2, However, it seems that it's not possible to get the "Babur event" while playing as the Timurids!!

I was expecting him to ascend to the Timurid throne if I held the empire together long enough (as was the case in EU2). Imagine my surprise when I see him ascend to the throne of KABUL (of was it Fergana??). Kabul was one of my vassals, if memory serves...

Simultaneously, I have a random monarch...

So, I reloaded an earlier save... thinking that if I forcibly annexed Kabul, it might cause the "Babur event" to fire... it didn't!

What's the story here? Do I have to abandon the Timurids, and play as the Afghans in order to replicate the Mughals?? If this is the case, I might just abandon my current game... I've kept the Timurids in extremly good shape (re: recovered most of the Persians lands, eliminated Khorasan, already vassalized 3 Indian Sultanates, etc, etc).

 

[Garbon]

Yes, you thought wrong. Here's from an only strategy write up.

The majority of Shah Rukh's reign should be pretty smooth sailing. With the Empire's very bad reputation, expanding during this period is a rather bad option unless the Timurids want to risk being attacked from all sides. The best bet for the Timurids is to build up their north eastern provinces around Samarkand in preparation for the hell that will break loose upon the death of Shah Rukh.
After breaking into three separate Timurid states, the Timurids will get a brief reprieve in the form of capable monarch, Abu Said. Much in the same way as Shah Rukh, though, the death of Abu Said will herald another period of decline. Upon Abu Said's death, the Timurid Empire was divided between his five sons and usurping distant relations in Khorasan.
From here the Timurid Empire historically met its dead end. Another Timurid prince, Babur, managed to hold Samarkand for a brief period of time; however, he eventually had to flee to form an empire centered around Kabul. If the Timurids had not been forced out of Samarkand, the Mughal Empire that went on to take India may as well never have been founde. (In order to form the Mughals, as the Timurid Empire, you need to re-capture Kabul and let the Uzbeks take Samarkand... or "simply" reload as Kabul).

Thread moved and merged as the was an AGCEEP question

 

[khannate]

Will you add Akbar's 'Divine Faith' as a new religion?
And how about Jainism? Currently, when you choose "C. Convert to Jainism" in Akbar's Religious Conversion event, your nation converts to buddhism instead.

 

[Garbon]

I don't know on either front. I mean, Akbar's faith historically died out with him and Jainism doesn't really make up any physical province in eu2. It would be cool to include them, I just personally don't know if it makes sense.

 

[Mrdie]

Having Din-i-Illahi in makes no sense. Jainism, maybe.

From An Intellectual History of Islam in India (1969), pp. 29-30:

The Mughal emperor Akbar (1556-1605) had received little formal education, since he was raised indifferently when his father's fortune was at the lowest ebb. But he had an alive and inquisitive mind. He began as a good Muslim with a reverence for Chishtī Ṣūfism, and observed conformity in religion. In due course he was revolted by the petty-mindedness and worldliness of the religious dignitaries of his court, especially Makhdūm-al-Mulk, the shaykh al-Islām, and 'Abd-an-Nabī, the Ṣadr-as-ṣudūr. About the same time he came under the influence of an ex-Mahdawī rationalist Shaykh Mubārak and his gifted son Abū-l-Faḍl. The power of the theologians was badly curtailed when, in 1579, Shaykh Mubārak manœuvred them to sign a atwā—wrongly called an 'infallibility decree' by some European historians—by which they invested the Emperor with the power to legislate in accordance with the shaī'a if, on any question, there was a dispute or a difference of opinion among the theologians. Soon a hall, called 'ibādat khāna' (place of worship), intended originally for ritual or mystical worship, was converted into a chamber where religious debates were held between representatives, first, of the Muslim sects, and later, of other religions. During these debates, Akbar's and Abū-l-Faḍl's eclecticism grew deeper. Akbar became a vegetarian, developed a veneration for sun and light verging almost on a solar monotheism, came to believe in an interreligional ethics, and finally, in 1581, founded his own heretical messianic sect the Dīn-i Ilāhī. The sect was really a palace club, to which membership was not encouraged, and no effort was made to propagate it publicly. It centred round the person of the Emperor in an ambiguous way, attributing something like prophethood or even a shade of divinity to him, but on the whole it remained within Islam and was closer to it, than, for instance, the Khoja sect.

The Dīn-i Ilāhī prohibited sensuality, lust, misappropriation, deceit, slander, oppression, intimidation and pride. It frowned upon animal slaughter and extolled celibacy. Nine of the ten values it enjoined were derived directly from the Qur'ān, and indeed from the scriptures of other religions as well. These were liberality, forbearance, abstinence, avoidance of 'violent material pursuits', piety, devotion, prudence, gentleness and kindness. To these was added the Ṣūfistic aim of the purification of the soul by yearning for Goa. The Dīn-i Ilāhī did not claim to possess a revealed text, and did not develop a priest-craft.

The sect had nineteen members and only one of them was a Hindu. Its preoccupation with light and sun suggests Zoroastrian and Hindu as well as Ishrāqī Ṣūfī influences. Its ritual prayer telescoped Zoroastrian practices into the Muslim ṣalāt. It is difficult to believe that any of its members, least of all Akbar himself, seriously believed in it. It was therefore largely a spiritual hobby. It slowly died out during the last years of Akbar's reign, when some of its members died and Akbar became preoccupied with other problems.

 

[khannate]

Please consider the following monarchs to be added to the next version of AGCEEP.

Timurid Empire(TIM)

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	id = { type = 6 id = 0135514 }
	startdate = {
		year = 1605
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1820
	}
	name = "Timurid Emperors *"
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
}

Ferghana(NOG)

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 098003 }
	startdate = {
		year = 1515
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1820
	}
	name = "Local Nobles *"
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
}

Balkh(TOX)

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 0137014 }
	startdate = {
		day = 4
		month = september
		year = 1702
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1820
	}
	name = "Local Nobles *"
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
}