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ImWist said:
I use them always. Sentinel is perfect support for its price


as RG - voidtech T3 :D But you are right, amazon damager - tide


Has bike root or shield buf? Sentinel isn't skirmisher!!! As a skirmisher like bike amazon have a lancer
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I'm guessing you arent part of the MM server games? Still dont know of a single amazon player that spam arborians there. Feel free to @ me if you are in said server.

As to support unit/skirmisher unit. Doesnt matter. Vorpals are a "support", they hurt. Siphoner is a skirmisher, it's one of the most broken supports in the game. Don't follow labels. They mislead you.
 
iDreadReapr said:
Amazon Sentinel technically have 5 shields defense if manipulate shield used on itself (until end of combat), that's too much for a tier 2
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Notice it also only has 10 damage on it's main attack, which is pretty anemic for any non-flying T2. Plus the thermal weakness (a super common damage type).

Compare the Sentinel to, say, the Bulwark. The latter unit has 20 less HP, but the same raw defense stats, 2 more points of damage, Agile Overwatch, a generally better weapon type for modding, can take cover, and has a ranged concussion. A +3 shields ability is in no way broken when compared to that, so long as it's only tied to a single other unit. Hell, in many matchups the +3 shields does literally nothing, because melee.
 
ImWist said:
as RG - voidtech T3 :D But you are right, amazon damager - tide
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The Rift Generator has waaaay more broken support abilities than the Sentinel though. It also has Phase Field, 2 more defense stats (albeit with -5 HP), and Floating. It's very much worth it as a T3, just not as a primary damage-dealer - although with the CC it offers, you might not even need a DPS anyway.
 
ImWist said:
"Transcendent ‘Absorb Pain’ - Can be cancelled by staggering the Transcendent"
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Zaskow said:
but Engulfer Mount has Stagger Res
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Taking a step back a page (sorry, I don't usually follow this thread): Engulfer mount having stagger resistance has no effect on the ability to break transcendent's share pain; you stagger the transcendent to break share pain, according to the notes.
 
MrNo said:
Taking a step back a page (sorry, I don't usually follow this thread): Engulfer mount having stagger resistance has no effect on the ability to break transcendent's share pain; you stagger the transcendent to break share pain, according to the notes.
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Kir'ko heroes have this skill

It is not the transcendant which can make it stupidly good, it is heroes

UPD: to be honest, Kir'ko heroes got the least number of unique skills among all others
 
Sinsling said:
Still dont know of a single amazon player that spam arborians there
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Spam? Who spams support? Maybe you know a player who spam engineer or overseer? Arborians and biomancers are needed one per stack.
Unlike hoi there is no production bonus for the series and the one unit spam strategy is losing. This's a great game where unit symbiosis is of utmost importance

Sinsling said:
I'm guessing you arent part of the MM server games?
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No, you guessed wrong :) I play MM games only
 
ImWist said:
Spam? Who spams support? Maybe you know a player who spam engineer or overseer? Arborians and biomancers are needed one per stack.
Unlike hoi there is no production bonus for the series and the one unit spam strategy is losing. This's a great game where unit symbiosis is of utmost importance


No, you guessed wrong :) I play MM games only
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what's your nickname in Discord then?
 
ImWist said:
Spam? Who spams support? Maybe you know a player who spam engineer or overseer? Arborians and biomancers are needed one per stack.
Unlike hoi there is no production bonus for the series and the one unit spam strategy is losing. This's a great game where unit symbiosis is of utmost importance


No, you guessed wrong :) I play MM games only
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You dont spam rocket engineers?

Good lord. You are missing out.

Also monostacking is a very viable strategy. Most of the frowned on units are ones who dont mono stack very well, excluding those who obviously bring massive benefit for little investment, like biomancers.
 
Ohh, guys
Sentinel roles:
1. Give shield to hero or tide
2. Root
3. Laser debuff (stagger and shield destroy)
4. moving stump :D in def mode he has 2 armor, 5 shield, stagger immun, regen and provide cover
in facts sentinel w/o mods or rank has 70HP (+10 from hero) and 80HP with new T5-doctrine
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999. make damage

and all this (except laser debuffs) you get without spending a single cosmit !!!
 
iDreadReapr said:
@orangelex44 10 damage is not low for tier 2, more like average.
about bulwark comparison, auto cannons has 80% accuracy and the unit has 2 arc weakness which is also common :)
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No, it's not average. It's not even close. Excluding fliers and NPCs (because the former can fly so are balanced a bit differently and the latter are a pain in the ass to dig through), your comparison units are the Bulwark, Electrocutioner, Hacker, Siphoner, Transcendent, Network Link, and the Vanguard Purifier variant as range 7 repeating units. The only units with equal or lower raw damage in that list are the Transcendent, Network Link, Siphoner, and Purifier - so sure, about half. However, the Transcendent is psi damage, the Siphoner gets essence stacks, and the Purifier applies the DOT - meaning that the only unit that's actually in the ballpark damage-wise is the Network Link, which is basically the hardest of hard supports (and maybe the Transcendent, if you consider 8 psi damage equal to 10 raw damage). That means that at most two of the 13 comparable units (or, if you prefer, two of the 8 unit "types" if you merge the Hackers) have equal or lesser damage. Most of them deal much more.

edit: forgot Overseers, they're also 8 psi damage. So it's 3/14 or 3/9. Note that two of those three are unteched basic units as well.
 
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ImWist said:
Ohh, guys
Sentinel roles:
1. Give shield to hero or tide
2. Root
3. Laser debuff (stagger and shield destroy)
4. moving stump :D in def mode he has 2 armor, 5 shield, stagger immun, regen and provide cover
in facts sentinel w/o mods or rank has 70HP (+10 from hero) and 80HP with new T5-doctrine
...
999. make damage

and all this (except laser debuffs) you get without spending a single cosmit !!!
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Nice try wist. If amazon is so good you are welcome to come join the pbem server and prove it.
 
Of the 3 t2 supports that have comparable damage, 2 of them are psionic channel, 1 of them is a firearms platform, and all 3 of them are better supports than the arborian.
 
As the support T2s are discussed: what is your opinion on Dvar Foremen? To me they are the weakest of their class taken mainly for healing. Their attacks deal low damage. Mortar is good for cover destruction and can stagger in early stage but later on is quite weak. Fist is good only for counter charge. Healing is ok but has range of 1. Incentivize is buff that can do nothing (No crits caused). Maybe buff it to remove psionic debuffs?
 
GygCK2 said:
As the support T2s are discussed: what is your opinion on Dvar Foremen? To me they are the weakest of their class taken mainly for healing. Their attacks deal low damage. Mortar is good for cover destruction and can stagger in early stage but later on is quite weak. Fist is good only for counter charge. Healing is ok but has range of 1. Incentivize is buff that can do nothing (No crits caused). Maybe buff it to remove psionic debuffs?
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Oh somehow I forgot about the foremen. Lol. I tend to skip both supports for dvar.
 
GygCK2 said:
As the support T2s are discussed: what is your opinion on Dvar Foremen? To me they are the weakest of their class taken mainly for healing. Their attacks deal low damage. Mortar is good for cover destruction and can stagger in early stage but later on is quite weak. Fist is good only for counter charge. Healing is ok but has range of 1. Incentivize is buff that can do nothing (No crits caused). Maybe buff it to remove psionic debuffs?
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Foremen are... OK. They're certainly the weakest racial support, but the Dvar's other starting units are all so strong that it hardly matters much. Having a couple Foremen along is never a bad thing, they're just not as tactics-defining as something like a Biomancer, Transcendent, or PUG.
 
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