Alea iacta est: A Monday MP Rome campaign starting 1900 CEST 28th April

[unmerged(96881)]

I am in, though even if i play, don't know for how long i could, or how regularly on mondays, unfortunately.

Offtopic: Smowz, are there much more who play EU3 in mp in the european timezone?

 

[joriandrake]

Totally offtopic: Just noticed that both Zaku and Jorian are hungarians, as i am. I just find it unusual to find two co-nationals in a game that apparently, quite few people play in MP.

Btw. i would join, but i can't concentrate on this many games, unfortunately. Although the kingdom of Bosphorus doesn't sound bad, nor the Lusitani...eh.

jeez, do write out then that you are hungarian aswell...

:rofl:

 

[joriandrake]

statement: i HATE laptops!

i started the game up at 18.50, but it didn't load properly till 19.25...

i am still in the lobby, would love to have you rehost for me


EDIT: it is now 20:00, i still am in the lobby, and installed ICQ meanwhile, also messaged some of you (Smowz i think i do not have your number yet)

EDIT2: we do need some rule about rehosting...

EDIT3: 20.20: *cries*

EDIT4: 20.35: okay, i don't wait further for rehost, it was somewhat my fault that i was too late anyway, please do write what happened, and if Sparta still exists, if it does i will join next week

 

[Skinner_Empire]

Today isnt my day :wacko:
EU3 didnt work and only 2 games work on my old pc one of them i Rome which is werid.
But would i maybe be able to join and is it possible to move it to a wednsday or any over day but monday?

 

[Zaku]

that i was too late anyway, please do write what happened, and if Sparta still exists, if it does i will join next week

Pontus-Egyipt alliance won the war against Selecuid empire, I got phoenicia, damascus, and one other province, Pontus got parts of Asia minor.
Later Carthage DOWed Rome, and after a long bloody struggle(mp reserves were close to 0 on each side), they signed a white peace. Macedonia became an ally of Egypt and Pontus. Near the end of the session, Selecuid+Bosphorian attacked Amernia, and in response on this, we DOWed them. So the next session will start with a long struggle again.

Sparta was annexed... nahh I'm just joking, it's still alive.

 

[Smowz]

Khul Drogo:
There is indeed a fairly healthy EU3 MP community with a number of different players, there has been a slight fading in the amount of games active, from one or two a night eu timezone to one every other night or so. Currently there are three active games in the week and three at the weekend that i know of with a mixture of euros and americans.

Jorian:
Sorry we couldn't pick you up, when someone don't show gametime I assume the worst!!!

Sparta is no longer available. It exists but I think it would be unfair on the Macedonia player who really could do with taking it at some point. There may be openings in Gaul or in Spain.

Skinner: This is a monday night game, always will be.

 

[joriandrake]

Jorian:
Sorry we couldn't pick you up, when someone don't show gametime I assume the worst!!!

...well... don't...

...Sparta is no longer available. It exists but I think it would be unfair on the Macedonia player...

i had an agreement with the King of Macedonia, let's hear his opinion on this, if he says it is not aviable then I accept, if he still thinks our agreement has mutual benefits, then i remain a spartiate


PS: all come and vote in the polls please

 

[Silktrader]

I believe Egypt is alone a rather fair match for the Seleucid player. I would be interested in reading Smowz' report ov His war versus Pontus and Egypt.

 

[unmerged(71040)]

i had an agreement with the King of Macedonia, let's hear his opinion on this, if he says it is not aviable then I accept, if he still thinks our agreement has mutual benefits, then i remain a spartiate

I think you misunderstood what I wrote in the PM - I said your proposal was interesting and that I'd technically be alright with a Spartan player, but only if all the more important factions were filled first. Even if you'd been on time I would have been reluctant to see Sparta be played by a human while Armenia wasn't. Currently I believe we still have no Gaul player and I wouldn't be surprised if one or two more factions open up during the week.

As it stands now, I really don't see any future for Sparta besides being an eventual Macedonian annexation target.

 

[joriandrake]

I think you misunderstood what I wrote in the PM - I said your proposal was interesting and that I'd technically be alright with a Spartan player, but only if all the more important factions were filled first. Even if you'd been on time I would have been reluctant to see Sparta be played by a human while Armenia wasn't. Currently I believe we still have no Gaul player and I wouldn't be surprised if one or two more factions open up during the week.

As it stands now, I really don't see any future for Sparta besides being an eventual Macedonian annexation target.

ahem...

...Well, to be perfectly candid I think we should first try filling all the 'big' factions before letting anyone play one-province minors, regardless of how intriguing the idea of a Spartan-Britannian ally sounds ...you still want to play Sparta, then we may be able to come to an arrangement along the lines you proposed ...I would certainly be willing ...as well as provide you with initial funding ...You could also count on future support against any power that would encroach upon your rightful territorial claims ...I'm sure we'll get along famously

...i know i have some issues with english, even more if i am tired, but don't tell me i am blind aswell... :rofl:



but allrighty, i don't play sparta then, i will try Atrebates instead

 

[unmerged(71040)]

Here's the PM, pre-jorian edit.

Hello there,

Well, to be perfectly candid I think we should first try filling all the 'big' factions before letting anyone play one-province minors, regardless of how intriguing the idea of a Spartan-Britannian ally sounds I'm not sure if you've had any experience with EU3 MP or not, but there the usual procedure is to fill all the majors first before even considering putting players in the minors, mostly for their own sake but also the campaign's. However, if the roster does fill up and you still want to play Sparta, then we may be able to come to an arrangement along the lines you proposed.

Alternatively, if you are interested in making Britannia a powerhouse, I would certainly be willing to set up a trade route to Atrebates from one of my provinces from day one, as well as provide you with initial funding, should you choose to play them. You could also count on future support against any power that would encroach upon your rightful territorial claims in Gaul.

 

[joriandrake]

Here's the PM, pre-jorian edit.

well, even that way, they won't understand all the gallic mentioning if we don't show them the other, earlier Pm aswell :rofl:

...

and i do not intend to, that plan is still something i wish to do, but now in an other MP

PS: as i see you removed parts of the massage aswell, heh

 

[Smowz]

I believe Egypt is alone a rather fair match for the Seleucid player. I would be interested in reading Smowz' report ov His war versus Pontus and Egypt.

Your forgetting that sometimes I suck!!!

I do believe I made some small mistakes, but also I think in the main Pontus and Egypt maintained a very clever co-ordinated joint assault.

The initial steps by myself was to reinforce the Syrian border region in Damascas and Pheonicia, whilst keeping 15k back to deal with the two Asian minor provs currently held by Egypt. However I was slightly naive as to the Pontus threat, in all the games I have previously played Pontus has been hesitant to attack Seleucid direct even with an Egypt by their side.

I certainly believe this adaption 'the Pontus offensive' of the Egypt-Seleucid opening may well become more commonplace, as without it Egypt can struggle to get an army big enough to push the Seleucid back.

However, I decided to plough on with my efforts, pushing into the Sinai, trying to rush toward key Egypt provinces. However my lack of overall manpower and reinforcements, meant I could not decisively hold Alexandria and my manpower started to go aput. Even then I tried to afford a mercenery style offensive in Anatolia, harrying the growing Pontus invasion again with limited success.

I took a rather harsh peace deal, but when one is attacked by two you have to accept sometimes a deal beyond that (as well when you have a huge wealth of provinces). I gave away both Egyptian cores, not wanting to give the Egyptian a free CB and perhaps rather lamely gave Pontus two provinces up in Asia minor.

Post war, I had to take an awful lot of time to repair the damage of my campaign, my increasingly desperate tactics at the end of the war virtually bankrupted the realm.

The second offensive came at the end of the session, I believe if I had not given the second egyptian core it would have become before this. After a resolution to the Armenian iron grab (and the Crete manpower grab) by myself although lets not kid ourselves it was coming regardless of this, Pontus actually has declared (of course with egypt being called in), which is logical considering its growing but still far less cost in order to repair its stability. There has been no military engagements thus far, but I confess I fear I will be unable to hold the growing powers for much longer, Egypt and Pontus have been free to increase their wealth dramitically whilst the cultural conversions in Seleucia have been slow.

Also quite interesting was the opening punic war contest, that as pointed out earlier attrition seemed to take its toll and ended in a deal with Carthage handing a small cash settlement (although considering Carthage has infact taken far more of a cash settlement off of Massilla it is debatable who actually won the conflict).

 

[unmerged(96881)]

Near the end of the session, Selecuid+Bosphorian attacked Amernia, and in response on this, we DOWed them.

Khm...no, you didn't attack Bosphoran Kingdom...but thanks for the heads-up

I did play a rather neutral side thus far, we will see how it goes.

The roman-carthaginian conflict was finally grand and balanced. I am unsure who will be the final victor there.

 

[joriandrake]

wow, this sounds cool...smowz, you tricky one, now you have a free CB on Pontus

 

[Varam]

Regarding the first Punic War:

I attacked Rome in response to Rome's invasion of Massilia; I was not nearly as prepared to attack as I would have liked to have been, but in the interest of preventing the Romans from securing Emporion I went ahead and invaded. Initially, the war was going very well. Our navies were initially of equal size, and after a minor defeat in which I lost two ships, I scored a decisive naval victory and sunk a full half of the Roman navy, granting me naval superiority for the rest of the war. On the ground, I managed to score some early victories and occupy the southernmost Italian province and Rome itself.

The Romans very quickly rallied their armies and drove me out of their home, but at some significant cost -- in one of the battles fought over Rome, the victorious Roman army suffered 20,000 casualties while dealing little more than 1,000 to my own army. Unfortunately this sort of Pyrrhic victory was the exception rather than the rule, and it wasn't enough by itself to break Rome.

A combination of attrition and battles saw my invasion force quickly worn down, and I was soon driven from Italy entirely. Barbarians and rebels were running rampant through my virtually undefended home provinces, and my manpower was completely spent, I opted to surrender; Rome's demand was a small payment of 25 gold, which I was more than willing to pay.

I think the war is a clear loss for Carthage; although I succeeded in forcing Massilia to pay tribute and wasted a lot of Roman time and manpower, I failed to achieve my foremost goal of securing Emporion, had most of my western provinces sacked by barbarians, and had one of my wealthiest provinces defect to Numidia. Overall, I made a lot of mistakes that contributed to my defeat, but that's hardly anything new for me. Sirrus certainly did an excellent job of playing it cool and sticking with a strong defense until my manpower had zeroed out.

 

[unmerged(96881)]

It was cool. I'm at work, so no AAR, but key moments of the evolution of Bosphoran Kingdom:

1. Working close with Macedonia, i defeated the Rhoxolani, by attacking their ally Tylis, although the navy of Tylis delayed the conflict more than it was expected. All Rhoxolani territories beside the capital, annexed.

2. Had a plan drawn up with Macedonia...didn't work out for a particular reason , so my next move was attacking Colchis, annexed all, beside the capital.

(Sometime afterwards i annexed both the Rhoxolani and Colchis)

3. Seeking manpower, i attacked Rhodes and Crete. Annexed Rhodes.

4. The phase of the grand mercenary army of Bosphoran Kingdom. I defeated large hordes of barbarians and revolting peasants in roman territory. Gone as far west as Sardinia.

5. The assault of Iberia, while Armenia was occupied with war with the Seleucids, gained Meshketi, Iberia became a tributary.

So this is how i stand now.

In any case, i could field at this point a *huge* mercenary army. Whether i'll have to, we'll see next time.

 

[Zaku]

Khm...no, you didn't attack Bosphoran Kingdom...but thanks for the heads-up
I did play a rather neutral side thus far, we will see how it goes.

I thought you will be called into the war.

Actually, Pontus and Macedonia wanted this war, I was just coming along. Deus was angry because Smowz anexed Crete, and he wanted it. Strono was simply greedy, so he always wants more provinces )
I agreed on the war in a while, because I know a fully grown Selecuid Empire is far more powerful then Egyipt. Plus Rome and Carthage is too weak at this moment to intefere(They have very low manpower, and probably high war exahusion)

 

[unmerged(71040)]

Macedonia's opening moves:

1) Set up various trade agreements with anti-Seleucid factions. In particular, horses from Thessaly and iron from Macedon found their way to Alexandria. The Bosporan Kingdom remains Macedonia's favoured trading partner however (and with our recently constructed forums, we welcome any proposals to set up new routes!).

2) Formed alliances with Egypt and the Bosporan Kingdom initially, and Pontus later on.

3) After 5 failed (and discovered) assassination attempts, still no CB on Epirus. When Carthage also declared war on Epirus panic struck and I decided to attack without one.

4) Epirus annexed. Decided to help the Bosporans by taking Tylis (who were allied to Rhoxolanai) for them. Did more harm than good for my poor ally, but the tribute gave me an sorely needed initial economy boost to regain stability.

5) Tylis annexed in a second war, ending any Pontic ambitions to colonize westwards eventually.

6) After an insane amount of failed attempts to acquire a CB (while still gaining approximately 10bb from discovered assassination attempts!), Egypt proposes a war against Illyria. They end up with Dalmatae(?), and the rest goes to Macedonia.

7) Illyria reduced to a shadow of her former self. Some bored provincial governors in northern Macedonia got drunk and decided to start a civil war, which ended a few months later. Arrangements are made with Egypt and Pontus to secure Macedonian claims on Crete and Rhodes. However, staying true to the trend, attempts to gain a CB fail over and over again, until suddenly the Seleucids and Bosporans rush in to annex them.

8) Finally, our first CB this session, and on the Aetolian League no less! Achean League is annexed and the Aetolians are made a tribute state.

9) Following the Seleucid-Bosporan incursion into Armenia and Iberia, plans for war are hatched between the anti-Seleucid alliance and eventually carried out. Macedonia's humble demands are Crete, with a desire to return to neutral relations afterwards.

Khm...no, you didn't attack Bosphoran Kingdom...but thanks for the heads-up

(Edit: Zaku beat me to it ) We were not sure if the Bosporan Kingdom would side with the Seleucids or remain neutral, but we prepared for the worst (which is why I cancelled my alliance with you). Macedonia still strives for an amicable relationship with their premier trading partner however, and we hope to renew our alliance after the war.

 

[Zaku]

1) Set up various trade agreements with anti-Seleucid factions. In particular, horses from Thessaly and iron from Macedon found their way to Alexandria.

I'd like to thank you the horses you sent me during the war, I forgot to do so ingame. I'm not sure about this, but if you(or anyone else) sent money too, I thank that too. I noticed there was some gifts but in the heat of battle I quickly shot down the popups, so I don't know who sent them.