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Zardishar
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Ok, I tried the game several times and I noticed that Tlemscen usually secedes to the Italian demands BUT keeps the state together.We will have to look into that, but anyway.

Under a player, Tlemscen can become the Almohads by capturing Sicily and Malta.Afterwards , nothing really happens.I tried scripting events for the Almohads AND tlemscenians (if the player survives the Christian onslaught BUT dosent manage to capture Sicily or Malta)But the problem is, what dates should be given to the Almohads?I can script normal events but I dont know when a player might capture Sicily!.

The Almohads (Meaning Uniters)were historically a religiously inclined state that was created in North Africa to save Al-Andalus.Now when Tlemscen morphs in this strange but intresting state, what happens afterwards?

#1 The Muslims will spend their first decades trying to bring order to Sicily, which would be rocked by revolts.I would assume Sicily is attempting several crusades and reconquests to push the Muslims out.After a while, Sicily could turn into Napoli (cant stay as Sicily if there not Sicily!).Then comes up another choice 'the capital'.This will have a profound impact on the Almohads.The choices are Palamero and Tunis.

Choosing Tunis means a more "North African" State with ambitions in Africa (closley watching the berbers and Arab nobles there) .This of course, means they cant gain Suquli culture.Choosing Palamero means a more "Euro-Muslim"state with ambitions in Italy.This allows them to gain Suquli culture but at the same time trouble with their North African provinces.

Suquli is a culture that will be introduced "during" the game.That is, if Sicily and Malta are Islamized, they slowly morph into a new culture; a Sicilian and Muslim one (Historical by the way).

The 15th and 16th centuries will be mostly centered around expanding the navy, raiding Cordoban coasts, attacking southern Italy (Bari was a Muslim city actually for quite some time) and establishing Muslim influence on the islands (Crete, Malta, Belarus, Sardina).The highest pitch would be I assume for the Almohads is when they extract tribute from the pope (something in those lines).They would also come into conflict with the Byzantines regardign Sicily and southern Italy.

After wards, the Almohads decline.They become hedonistic and laxing.This gives the Mutazelites OR a new fanatical order to take over the reigns of the empire.So the Almohads have a new Mutazelite dynasty during the chaos and turn into Almujadids (The Renewers) or simply have a new Order which takes over and enforces Jihad throughout the realm.

Under the Mutazelites, the Muslims attempt to reform in parallel to Morocco and Cordoba, whilst under the Order they would most likely decline even more as they try to capture Italy.

Any thoughts?Im kinda at loss as to what to do!
 
Hmmm, so I should begin the events for 1460 (five years after the league attacks Tlemscen) and have flag_Sicily1500 or 1400 for Revolts and normal events?Never thought of that.Thanks.
 
This depends on when really you want it begin and when do you think it will happen.

So, eg. you think sicily might get captured from 1450 to 1600.

You get a flag setting event, eg sicily is ours, triggered from 1450 to 1500.
It will set flag sicily_1450.

Then you have serie of events date from 1450 to deathdate of 1500 with flag "sicily_1450". They will fire any time from 1450 to 1500 when sicily is captured. I am not really great at explaining sorry.
 
Created a new religious movement in Africa similar to the Almohads.Almohads arent created but rather a new Empire called "Almujadids".Still primary at best - what do you guys think?

event = {
id = ??????
random = no
country = NAF
name = "The Movement of Salaf Qatiba"
desc = "In the early part of the 15th century, a Berber cheif of the Zurufan tribe named Salaf Qatiba who was returning from a pilgremege to Mecca, broke his journey in Tunis.He was in search of a teacher who would accompany him for missionary work amongst the berbers of the Sahara who were Muslim in name only.He found his man in Abdullah of Maurqa, a professor of theology and law, known for his learning and piety.The two arrived to the lands of the Berbers.Soon after their arrival, they set themselves ardently to the task.They built a monastery in Constantine and ministered to the Muslims south of the 'civilized' lands.Many Berbers who were still pagan , and those who had passing aquintance with Islam came under the spell of the new teachers.The 'Mujadidun' emerged as upholders of a simple and asture Islam.There was simply no place for music, no value for poetry and no room for philosophy in their mental make up."

date = { day = 11 month = october year = 1427 }
offset = 60

action_a = {
name = "Let us keep an eye on Salaf Qatiba"


event = {
id = ??????
random = no
country = NAF
name = "The Mujadidun Movement"
desc = "When Salaf died his college Abdullah continued his mission.He gave the movement it's political direction and destiney.He united the berbers in one solid brotherhood.From the Western Atlas they fanned out over most southen Tlemscen.Like a flame set upon the African coast, protagonists and missionaries of the movement spread the word, mesmerizing the populace under the melody of their religious orthodoxy.The Movement soon exploded , adding to it's ranks Arabs, Bedouins, and Andalusians.North Africa embraced the Mujadidun - and rightly so, they did it before with the Almohads and Almoravids."

date = { day = 11 month = october year = 1449 }
offset = 60

action_a = {
name = "A new Movement to Pester me"




###############################
#
# Jihad Declared! - Triggered by Jihad responses in the either Ultimatum event 466160 or 466170
#
###############################

event = {
id = 704060
random = no
country = NAF
name = "Jihad declared!"
desc = "The Sultan's defiance against the demands of the infidels triggered a wave of puritan rallies in his name.The Mujadidun were the first to put their resources and followers for the Grand Jihad.The Almoravid and Almohadi heritage of North Africa was instrumental in reviving the fighting spirit of the Moors and Arabs of the region. Thousands flocked in the name of Allah and his Prophet for the most Holy Jihad against the Sicilians. The Nobility, in a fit of religious fervor, even donated a merchantile fleet to transport the Holy Warriors to the front."

action_a = {
name = "Allahu Akbar!"
command = { type = INF which = -2 value = 7000 }
command = { type = CAV which = -2 value = 5000 }
command = { type = galleys which = -2 value = 15 }
command = { type = transports which = -2 value = 10 }
command = { type = ai which = "tlemcen_jihad.ai" } #still need to write this
}
}



################
#
# Cultural change and conversion on Malta
#
################

event = {
id = 704150
trigger = {
owned = { province = 891 data = -1 }
}
random = no
country = NAF
name = "Malta under Dar al-Islam"
desc = "When the Zayyanid took control of the former Genoese lands of Malta, many of the Christian people fled the island to Sicily. Islamic Puritans (mostly Mujadidun) accompanied by their families would populate the island in the wake of the Christian exodus, bringing Valleta under the Crescent Moon with the rest of Dar al-Islam."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
offset = 300
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1600 }
action_a = {
name = "Consolidate the island!"
command = { type = trigger which = 704151 }
command = { type = population which = 819 value = -3500 } #overall loss of people from malta
command = { type = population which = -2 value = -3500 } #muslims arrive from the capital
command = { type = provinceculture which = 819 value = arabic }
command = { type = conversion which = 891 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 891 value = 1 }
}
}

event = {
id = 704151
random = no
province = 399
name = "Flood of Christian Refugees from Malta"
desc = "Before the Muslim armies captured the city of Valleta in Malta, the Governor, Jiovani Iscaro, ordered the evacuation of the city and the island, in hope of saving the Good Christians from the scimitars of the Moors."
action_a = {
name = "Welcome brothers!"
command = { type = population which = 399 value = 2500 }
command = { type = population which = -1 value = 1500 }
command = { type = population which = -1 value = 1500 }
command = { type = population which = -1 value = 1500 }
}
}

##############################################
#Sicily Captured by the Moors!
##############################################

event = {
id = 704160
trigger = {
war = { country = NAF country = SIC }
control = { province = 395 data = NAF } # Messina
control = { province = 396 data = NAF } # Sicily
}
random = no
country = SIC
name = "The Moors Capture Sicily!"
desc = "The path of confrontation with the Moorish pirates of Africa proved to be a costly one for the fledgling dynasty of the Kingdom of Two Sicilies. Although Sicily was successful at first - due in part to incompetant Muslim defence - the Moorish fervor and hostility eventually prevailed, overwhelming the Sicilians. With Islam in control of Sicily, the Hohenstaufern dynasty had no option but to flee to Napoli and continue the fight from there."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1500 }
action_a = {
name = "Flee to the Mainland!" #Secede provinces of Sicily and Messina to the Moors
command = { type = secedeprovince which = NAF value = 396 }
command = { type = capital which = 393 } # Napoli
command = { type = fortress which = -2 value = 1 }
command = { type = vp value = -50 }
}
}

########################################################
# Almujadid Empire Declared!
##########################################################

# The Tlemscenian Conquest of Sicily and the Declaration of the Almujadidun
event = {
id = 704170
random = no
country = NAF
trigger = {
atwar = no
control = { province = 395 data = NAF } # Messina
control = { province = 396 data = NAF } # Sicily
control = { province = 819 data = NAF } # Malta
}
name = "The Domination of Sicily and the birth of the Mujadidun"
desc = "With the Sicilian islands secured, and North Africa firmly under the grip of the Sultan, many from amongst the Ulema urged the Sultan to embace the Almujadidi tenants and resources to properly defend the newly conquered lands. As his Empire was sandwitched between the influence of Cordoba, Baghdad and Egypt, installing himself as Caliph of a movement no different than that of the Almohads would surely boast his prestige. The puritan state which saved al-Andalus from Christian domination would be reborn again, albeit different in both form and purpose. Later, the Sultan would formaly break with the Abbasid Caliphate and claim the title of Caliph for himself, thus starting a period of tense relations between Baghdad and Tlemscen. From that time on, the prayers in Sicily and North Africa were said in the name of the new Almujadid 'Caliph', not in the name of the Abbasid Caliph. This move strengthened the position of the Sultan over his lands and lead to a considerable cultural enrichment."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1455 }
offset = 200
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1500 }
action_a = { name = "We are the Almujadids!"
command = { type = country which = ALM }
command = { type = addcore which = 891 }
command = { type = addcore which = 395 }
command = { type = addcore which = 396 }
command = { type = population which = 396 value = -600 } # Christian emigrants
command = { type = population which = 395 value = -600 } # Christian emigrants emigrants
command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 120 }
command = { type = ADM which = 1 value = 120 }
command = { type = inflation value = -3 }
command = { type = vp value = 200 }
command = { type = technology which = torthodox }
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = EGY value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = FAT value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = MAM value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = CRD value = -100 }
}
}

#############################################
Capital of the new Empire and Sicily's rebellions
#############################################

To Palamero or Tunis?

event = {
id = ?????
random = no
country = ALM
name = "The Court of the Mujadidun"
desc = "Prior to the fall of Sicily, many amongst the Arab nobility were unsatisfied with the current hold the Mujadidun held on the Sultanic court.The rather harsh laws pretaining Islamic judisprudance and the enforcement of Muhatasaba laws had brought the Arab gentry at a collision course with the Mujadidun.It was rather obvious to all those involved in the court of Tlemscen that things were heating up in the capital as retainers of the aristocracy clashed with followers of Salaf in the streets and Mosques of the crowded capital.Though the Sultan (or Caliph) was of Arab stock, he was also a follower of the Mujadidun movement. Seeking to avoid bloodshed in Tlemscen, the Sultan decided to move him court to a more suitable city, detaching himself from both the Arab gentry and Mujadidun followers.He was presented with two choices ; either a move to the more central position in Tunis, which meant he could keep an eye on the nobles from a good distance or take his throne to the newly conquered island of Sicily , though that may give the Arabs free reign in Africa it would quicken the pace of conversion amongst the Sicilians.However, no matter where the Sultan ruled from, the Empire was soon in for a ride as ethnic strife, religious frevor and nostalgia ripped apart the new state."
date = { day = 1 month = august year = 1456 }
offset = 100
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1500 }

action_a ={
name = "Move to Tunis"
}
action_b ={
name = "Move to Palamero"
}
}
###########################################
Unrest in the Empire
###########################################


Tunis move makes Sicily more rebellious

event = {
id = ?????
random = no
trigger = capital event move to Tunis
country = ALM
name = "Deep unrest in the Empire"
desc = "The Mujadidun was a relatively new and inexperianced empire, inheriting the poor ways of administration of Tlemscen.Lacking a strong centralized authority, the Sultanic provinces descended into chaos as tribal Berbers fought for control against Arabs,Mujadidun vyed for influence against the nobility,Cities made a bid for freedom, Corrupt Officials carved up semi-independent princedoms and most importantly; determined Christian revolts in Sicily.There was also the tribal revolts of the Hafsid(Tunis), Ber Mogrien(Algeirs) and and Andalus(Beleares) Houses to contend with.It would take the Sultanate decades to restore order and acheive some semblence of government throughout North Africa and Sicily. "

style = 2
date = { day = 1 month = october year = 1460 }
offset = 1500
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1500 }

action_a ={
name = "Our Empire descends"

}
}
Sicily move makes NA more rebellious

event = {
id = ?????
random = no
trigger = capital event move to Sicily
country = ALM
name = "Deep unrest in the Empire"
desc = "The Mujadidun was a relatively new and inexperianced empire, inheriting the poor ways of administration of Tlemscen.Lacking a strong centralized authority, the Sultanic provinces descended into chaos as tribal Berbers fought for control against Arabs, Christian revolted in Sicily and Malta,Cities made a bid for freedom,Corrupt Officials carved up semi-independent princedoms and most importantly; civil war rocked the coasts of Africa between the Mujadidun and Arab nobles.There was also the tribal revolts of the Hafsid(Tunis), Ber Mogrien(Algeirs) and and Andalus(Beleares) Houses to contend with.It would take the Sultanate decades to restore order and acheive some semblence of government throughout North Africa and Sicily. "

style = 2
date = { day = 1 month = october year = 1460 }
offset = 1500
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1500 }

action_a ={
name = "Our Empire descends!"

}
}
############################################
1500 and upward ; Events for the 16th century
############################################


event = {
id = ?????
random = no
country = ALM
name = "An Empire at Peace"
desc = "For the last decade, Prince Abu Ya'qub had been fighting insurgents and rebels in both Africa and Sicily.Tiered of continous warefare against his own people, he seeked to stop the bloodshed by negotiating a peace between his father Mohammed an-Nasir and the rebels.His aging father rebuffed him ,calling his ways 'foolish'.When the old Sultan died of his wounds after a bitter battle outside of Palamero, Abu Ya'qub ascended the throne as Sultan of the Almujadid Empire.With his silver tongue and unresistable charisma, Abu Ya'qub brought a closure to decades of strife and war as he formented reconciliation between the many factions.He laid down rights for the numerous groups and persecuted offendors with a vengence.He elevated the stature of Berbers and Suqlubis (Muslim Sicilians) to that of Arabs and allowed Christian Governors to reign over Sicily under the supervision of a Muslim Administrator.The Berbers and Arabs ceased their infighting in Africa and the Christians laid down their arms in Sicily.It gave Abu'qub a chance to concentrate on the defence of his dominions against the Christians.Alas, some of the more devoted Mujadideen refused the 'capitulations' of Abu Ya'qub.They labeled him an apostate and fled with their families to the south."

style = 2
date = { day = 1 month = december year = 1500 }
offset = 200
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1505 }

action_a ={
name = "The Almujadid Empire is at peace"

}
}

event = {
id = ?????
random = no
country = ALM
name = "Reforms of Sultan Abu Ya'qub III"
desc = "With an Empire in shambles and a government lacking structure, Abu Ya'qub faced a difficult task.Abu Ya'qub devoted his time to the establishment of his Empire. Under his supervision, he first invited Christians and Jews into the heiriarchy of Almujadidi government (to the distaste of the Ulema) in hope of attaining their experiance and learning.Following that, he appeased Mujadidi devotees by appointing Governors and Mayors of Almujadidi ideals to minister over his dominions.This proved worth while as the officials were quite zealous in their work and it helped curb the influence of the Tribal Sheiks.He also attempted to organize a Buereacracy for the Almujadidi Empire , copying from the Andalusian and Egyptian models greatly. He contributed largely to the judicial decisions in his Empire, and established a strong judicature in Almujadidi Africa.Abu Ya'qub then turned his attention to the finances of the Almujadidi state , enacting Merchantile and Tax reforms to reinvigorate the economy.These political and economic reforms were quite a revolutionary leap from the meager beginings of the former Tlemscenian state, with a more elaborate system of governance and a Sultan holding considerable power.One could say that Abu Ya'qub was, in essence, the founder of the Almujadidi Empire."

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1509 }
offset = 900
deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1510 }

action_a = {
name = "Reform of the Government"
}
action_b = {
name = "Reform the finances"

}
}

event = {
id = ?????
random = no
country = ALM
name = "The Military Reforms of Abu Ya'qub III"
desc = "Though the Empire weathered the terrible storm of discord and infighting, she was rather poor in Military poweress in regards to her neighbours.Facing insistant Christian attacks on Sicily and Malta, Abu Ya'qub laboured long and hard to establish a strong Military for the Sultanate.His armies were mostly levied troops from the nobility who were rather reluctant to give up their priveleges.His attempts of reform also antagonized Almujadidi Orders and Ribats who regularly contributed Mujjahedin for the wars of the Sultan.They believed that Abu Ya'qub was attempting to stop Muslims from attaining Martyerdom - as absurd as that sounded, it did give Abu Ya'qub some trouble.The old armies were based mostly around camel riders , Mameluki Slaves, and Moorish Scimitar weilders.The problem was, they were unruly and suitable only for African campaigns.Abu Ya'qub , inspite of the opposition to his reforms, invited drill instructors from Byzantium and al-Andalus, and reinforced the walls of Messina.He also organized small Militias called 'Defahiyat al-Mujadidun' to protect Sicily.Most of his cocentration was directed towards developing a land based Imperial army as he, like his ancestors before him, still depended on the pirates of the Barbary for naval assistance."

date = { day = 16 month = august year = 1514 }
offset = 300
deathdate = { day = 16 month = august year = 1515 }
action_a = {
name = "Reform the Army and establish the Militias"

}
action_b = {
name = "Army only!"

}
action_c = {
name = "We can not afford these reforms"


event = {
id = ?????
random = no
country = ALM
name = "Abu Ya'qub Passes Away"
desc = "During a minor expedition in the Sicilian frontier against the Genoese Abu Ya'qub fell ill, and his condition became so serious that he had to be carried on a canopied stretcher.After a painful journey of 17 days , he was brought to Kairoun.As his health deteriorated he summoned his only son Abd al-Adeem to his bedside and gave him advice on political matters.According to his will he was buried in the Almujadidi Mosque of Kairoun in a simple cotten sheet which was woven under the supervision of his three daughters, each named after the flowers he loved - Bahar,Narjis, and Banafsah.The Monks of the Almujadidi Monastery chisled an epitah on his grave in respect to the great warrior of Islam 'His Relics will tell you the history /And you will see him face to face / Time will not beget the like of him/ Nor the ones like him to guard the borders of Sicily.' A Christian Sicilian chornicle viewed his death differently .He wrote 'In 1523,died Abuqub, and was hurried to hell'."
style = 2
date = { day = 1 month = october year = 1522 }
offset = 100
deathdate = { day = 30 month = january year = 1523 }

action_a ={
name = "Rest in peace Abu Ya'qub!"

}
}
 
Calipah,

My response is really very simple: you are getting better and better at this. ;)

Six months ago it would have all been in one or two events. Now it is spread out over more, creating a better storyline and more options for players to chose different directions and more chances for the ai to behave a little differently each game. And, of course, your text has it's usual poetic delights.

The supression of events should lead to either the gaining of Sicilian culture, or the turning of the Island to Arabic? Berber?

Matty
 
Well, There will be a sort of "side" step event giving the Almujadid Empire (gotta change the name from Almohad to Almujadid) Sicilian culture if they convert Messina and Sicily to Islam.Which would be quite easy.

Now I was thinking - what happens to Abdul Adeem I?Hes incompetant and rather eccentric so I decided to add the "three Sisters" Rule of the Almujadid Empire.The duaghters of Abu Ya'qub rule behind the curtains and raise the administration/military and diplomacy of Abdul Adeem considerably and most of the events would circulate around the three women.

When one of them dies, the stats go down a bit, the second dies in labour , the stats go down more, and of course, the third then passes away followed by the incompetant Sultan.

What do you think Matty?
 
MattyG said:
The supression of events should lead to either the gaining of Sicilian culture, or the turning of the Island to Arabic? Berber?

Matty

Arabic Malta: yes. Indeed, one could say the Maltese had almost become Arabs by the time the Normans took the islands in the 11th century and reimposed Christianity - they'd adopted both the language and the religion of the Arab world at any rate.

Arabic Sicily: much less likely. The Sicilians were notoriously independent-minded, and there were a lot more of them. But if the Almohads do the right things I don't see why they couldn't have Sicilian as a secondary culture.
 
Incompetent said:
Arabic Malta: yes. Indeed, one could say the Maltese had almost become Arabs by the time the Normans took the islands in the 11th century and reimposed Christianity - they'd adopted both the language and the religion of the Arab world at any rate.

Arabic Sicily: much less likely. The Sicilians were notoriously independent-minded, and there were a lot more of them. But if the Almohads do the right things I don't see why they couldn't have Sicilian as a secondary culture.

No Almohads - renamed into Almujadids, new movement and what not.But I agree with you.
 
It should depend on how the Almojudids handle things. If their are very narrowminded and bring in Arabic peoples to populate the island and enforce Arabic as the only language, then it can Arabize. Remembering that culture doesn't mean that 100% of the population is a unified, same-language-and-customs group. It largely represents the ruling elites.

What I have done in the past is to give a culture change but also a permanent province_revoltrisk of +1 to indicate that, which the dominant culture may be the newly imposed peoples and elites, the populace isn't completely cooperative. It could event be +2

I think this is better than giving Sicilian culture, becuase if the Almohadijadis subsequently capture the southern peninsula, they get right-culture for two provinces that - surely - would be steadfastly anti-Almojihadi.

I typically then also back those culture-change events up with an event to reconvert the province to Sicilian hould it come under the control of a catholic state, and give it a long offset to represent that working the Sicilians back into cultural dominance doesn't happen over night. Also gives a time for the Almojojhodids to recapture.
 
MattyG said:
Almojudids / anti-Almojihadi./ Almojojhodids

:D :rofl: sorry, its just too funny for an arabic speaker.

Though as you said, it depends on how the Almujadidis are and the player's choices regarding Sicily are (needs scripting, maybe under the Sisters Rule).

By the way, the Moroccan-Cordoban sequence stil refers to the Rusafa as "alhambra" and Egypt's event file has "Granada" in it.Needs a quick cheeky, though be careful, one of the events for the al-sharay family says "He went to study in Granada AND Cordoba" wouldnt make sense if it were Cordoba and Cordoba.

Oh yes, and before I forget "Happy Valentine".
 
Calipah and Ahmed have both stated that the Tlemcen collapse isn't working well and that the Almujadid Empire either doesn't ever rise or lacks the power to pull offthe Sicilian conquest. Here are my thoughts.

1. Tlemcen's Collapse

Not to hard to rebuild at all. I'd like to see this happen completely about 60% of the time. 20% of the time it ought to be able to survive and rebuild itself.

2. Almujadid Empire

This is the key. I think that for variety, the Almujadid's ought to arive about 20% of the time. But when they do, they need to be a lot tougher for the first 50 years. One excellent general (5/5/6/1) and a great admiral (4/4/5) both of whom last for about 30 years, plus some additional support leaders. We also need to have a starting event that gives them a big kick of manpower bonus (just general manpower, not province_manpower) and which moves the sliders to the right place.


We have to rememeber that it will always be tough. Naval invasions are hard in EU2 because you can excel at both the navy and the army. If we give them Land 0, 1, 2 to help defeat the Sicilian navy, then they will be too weak on land, and vice versa. So it goes, that's the game.

I personally feel that the Almujadids could become something akin to a revamped OE, in that they are tough enough to spread north and threaten the Christian heartland. It's an intriguing scenario, at the very least. They might not be able to sustain it, but then maybe they could.

Matty
 
Ahmed AA said:
:rofl:

Belarus is closer to me than you, calipah!

The Almujadids already own the Belarus islands - as they begin as Tlemscen if you havent noticed :)


1. Tlemcen's Collapse

Not to hard to rebuild at all. I'd like to see this happen completely about 60% of the time. 20% of the time it ought to be able to survive and rebuild itself.

Well, the triggers are somewhat incorrect - the recurring Scenario for tlemscen is that Algeirs revolts but Tlemscen survives.I suggest that if it is Ai controlled, Tlemscen should become Algiers, and release Belarus, Tripoli and Tunis (It can remain united if and only if under player control or fights well against the Sicilians :) ) That way, we solve the collapse matter I think.


2. Almujadid Empire

This is the key. I think that for variety, the Almujadid's ought to arive about 20% of the time. But when they do, they need to be a lot tougher for the first 50 years. One excellent general (5/5/6/1) and a great admiral (4/4/5) both of whom last for about 30 years, plus some additional support leaders. We also need to have a starting event that gives them a big kick of manpower bonus (just general manpower, not province_manpower) and which moves the sliders to the right place.


We have to rememeber that it will always be tough. Naval invasions are hard in EU2 because you can excel at both the navy and the army. If we give them Land 0, 1, 2 to help defeat the Sicilian navy, then they will be too weak on land, and vice versa. So it goes, that's the game.

I personally feel that the Almujadids could become something akin to a revamped OE, in that they are tough enough to spread north and threaten the Christian heartland. It's an intriguing scenario, at the very least. They might not be able to sustain it, but then maybe they could.

They are to some extent, similar to the Almohads in both Millitary aggression and idealogy.However, I fear in 'overpowering' them - and giving them too much attention, at least for now.There are other parts of the world that need desperate attention, being the Caliphate, Central Asia (Yes desperatly there!) and Egypt + Morocco.
 
Agreed. It is a project that we need to come back to and I really think the Almujadid Empire is a fanastic piece of alternative history with a LOT of potential. I would like to think of the first leader of this Empire as someone who has managed to harnass the passion and support of diverse groups: the mujadid warriors, the pirates and their ships, the Arabic nobility and bind them all into a powerful force, at least for the length of his life. Maybe a North African Napoleon?


I think Ahmed is :rofl: because you keep calling the islands Belarus (which is part western Russia) instead of Baleares. :D

Matty
 
Well Abu Ya'qub was a good monarch :p

But a North African Napoleon...perhaps a woman?like a Sanusi Warrior Pristess :D

Oh that!Sorry, I always think of the islands in it's arabic name 'Balqar' :eek:o
 
Would it not be more Interregnum-y to call him Roger V instead of Napoleon? :D

Anyhow, any such monarch would need to be followed by a subsequent collapse, which would probably be around the time of the Hohenstaufen marriage in Sicily, and could well cost Alwhateverdis the islands again.
 
Calipah said:
Well Abu Ya'qub was a good monarch :p

But a North African Napoleon...perhaps a woman?like a Sanusi Warrior Pristess :D

Oh that!Sorry, I always think of the islands in it's arabic name 'Balqar' :eek:o

Yep, looking back, the leaders for the Almujadids are good enough. Maybe I'll play them and see if I can take Sicily.
 
Reviewing the performance of Tlemcen trying to become the Almujadid empire as ai, it's just too hard. It never even comes close. It isn't that the ai for it is poorly written, it just cannot cope with war with Sicily AND all the revolts it has to supress. It's hard enough as a player.

I suggest that we alter the file such that, for the ai only, there are two versions of the events that allow it to go JIHAD! Version one is normal (revolts and possible collapse) and the second has no revolts whatsoever. The 'nation' unites behind Ya'qub and goes hell-for-leather against Sicily.

This will help the Almujadid Empire form and throw into the mix that juicy Islamic invasion of Italy so many people want to see.