Almohad/Tlemscen issue

[MattyG]

In my games, Morocco also tends to declare war on Tlemcen, even though it lacks a CB.

Yes, the problem is that there are very few nations in that area and eventually someone wants to DoW someone else. Cordoba has the Iberian minors, Tlemcen has Cyrenaica only and Morocco has Cordoba (unlikely and a baaaad idea) and Mali. I'll have to look at its ai to see if we can get it to go for Mali, which really ought to be its 100% of the time target of choice.

Thanks,

Matty

 

[unmerged(55521)]

Yes, the problem is that there are very few nations in that area and eventually someone wants to DoW someone else. Cordoba has the Iberian minors, Tlemcen has Cyrenaica only and Morocco has Cordoba (unlikely and a baaaad idea) and Mali. I'll have to look at its ai to see if we can get it to go for Mali, which really ought to be its 100% of the time target of choice.

Thanks,

Matty

Give some african minor to them. O just split some one prov from Tlemcen.
Seperating Sus will only weaken Morroco...

OR:
Create one prov weak pagan berber country at Canaries with that Calipah said name. (With completely Interregnum - may be add them cape verde (or azores) as their colony)
Before spanish killed them there was pagan berbers who were left out of islamic attention.

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Today, archaeological and ethnographic studies have led most scholars to accept the view that the pre-colonial population of the Canaries were descendants of North African Berber tribes who lived in the Atlas region and started arriving in the Canaries by sea c. 1000 BC.(..)

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The religious and cosmological beliefs of the indigenous Canarians have proven to be a particularly problematic field of the islands' archaeological and historical studies. Most of the present knowledge derives, once again, from the contradictory and biased chronicles, whose ambiguous affirmations and descriptions often make it rather difficult for scholars to distinguish between what was originally the product of the chroniclers' misinterpretations, consciously concealed data, or actual religious syncretism caused by a century of contacts with the missionaries and other Europeans before the Spanish colonisations. Moreover, there is remarkably little archaeological evidence available, for, although certain sites containing architectonic remains have been identified as sanctuaries, the indigenous Canarian people often performed their religious practices (i.e. mainly libations and animal sacrifices) in natural sanctuaries such as cliffs, mountains and places marked by particular striking geographical features or types of vegetation (especially the tree Dracaena Drago), most of which will go unnoticed from an archaeological perspective.(..)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaries

 

[Incompetent]

I suggest that we alter the file such that, for the ai only, there are two versions of the events that allow it to go JIHAD! Version one is normal (revolts and possible collapse) and the second has no revolts whatsoever. The 'nation' unites behind Ya'qub and goes hell-for-leather against Sicily.

Nice idea. Tlemcen is supposed to be a challenging country for the player to take on, so it would look strange if it always survived and went on the rampage. This would also be pretty much fatal for AI Sicily, who already have the Genoese and other Italian states to worry about, and cease to be a major if they lose Sicily proper and morph into Naples. But it would be fun if once in a while we see a super-Almujadid Empire and a Sicily becoming a Muslim island.

On Suquli and Sicilian cultures: if we can only have one of them, I'd take Sicilian, as this would also allow us to distinguish Sicily from the rest of Italy. If Tlemcen gets Sicilian culture, but we don't want them having such an easy time in continental Sicily, we can always have events that give RR, or we could turn the provinces Italian if the state in Naples makes a final break with Sicily - a remnant Naples would naturally be more sympathetic to the North, as it's lost many of the Sicilian influences, and any Italian who ruled there would at least have the advantage of being Christian. In any case, if a Muslim ruler of Sicily got Sicilian culture, it's assumed he's taken a fairly tolerant route, so he wouldn't necessarily have THAT much trouble ruling Naples or Apulia.

 

[MattyG]

I do like the idea of SDicilian culture more than the other idea of Southern Italian. The Interregnum Culture Test would pass this one, I think.

So, who gets Sicilian culture at start? Suicily, yeah. What about Genoa? Do they get Sicilian culture? If so, under what circumstances?

So, the Almujadid Empire can either convert thm and change them to Maghrebi if they are hard, or if the follow their civil war with moderate policies, they can get Sicilian culture.

As for the anaries, I think that having them as a Unique culture and creating the Canaries as a nation is a great idea, and fits well with the idea that all of Africa would be part of a nation, not colonizable.

Matty

 

[unmerged(31994)]

Well actually...the canaries by any means were part of the former Almohad Empire - I do recall reading somewhere that al-Mansur demanded the Governor of Firguge'a close to Marakech to mount a new expedition to subdue the natives who had attacked one of the outlaying coastal villages - something in those lines anyway.Perhaps part of Morocco, unique culture and pagan faith?

 

[MattyG]

Well actually...the canaries by any means were part of the former Almohad Empire - I do recall reading somewhere that al-Mansur demanded the Governor of Firguge'a close to Marakech to mount a new expedition to subdue the natives who had attacked one of the outlaying coastal villages - something in those lines anyway.Perhaps part of Morocco, unique culture and pagan faith?

Definitely unique culture, unless it will be Pagan faith, in which case we make it 'native' culture as it will lose its culture as soon as it converts to Islam.

If we assume that it had become part of Morocco in the 1300s, we could also posit that it broke away during Morocco's recently-ended civil war. So, it is both Islamic, unique culture and a separate country over which Morocco has a core.