Alternative history becoming too invasive?

[Robosoldier1]

After reading through many pages of people complaining about the CSA, whether it be because of historical implausibility or are simply having their feeling hurt, all I can say is just allow it to pass by. The game's inclusion of implausible situations is what makes it exciting, interesting, and always on one's seat. I honestly don't like random super-hyper-insane-fan-fictitious situations popping up when I'm trying to do a historical or semi-historical game; however, I do want to give everyone the freedom of opportunity to do what they want with their game scenarios. That freedom of opportunity for others trumps my own personal taste of what an 'ideal game' would be. Like others have mentioned, Paradox also does want to give people more control over their scenarios and what paths nations choose and I'm excited for that. That definitely would allow both freedom and historical plausibility to live in harmony (to a large extent).

but...

If the reason of why you're complaining about the CSA and other ideological paths is because you feel hurt, offended, or feel that others will be emotionally pillaged by the inclusion of these features in the game, (not to be rude, but) suck it up. Don't restrict people from opportunities because you dislike an idea. You can avoid whatever is causing you a mental breakdown if you want to. I do that all the time by not forming a communist Gran Columbia.

There is a difference between content based options and player ingame based decisions. Yes I can CHOOSE not to go and do communist Gran Columbia. But I have no bearing on what the Focus trees and ingame events/decisions encompass in regards to choice. As thats up to Paradox and their design. Which is fine, if they were keeping it within balanced sense, but there not.

Half of the new stuff within Japans political decisions can arguably be double the amount of choice you get from going down the historical route. Which is a really weird ratio given again its World War 2. Do you think people honestly spend their lives, careers and hobbies learning, analyzing and predicting how the war would've turned out based on the decisions made by the leaders and the residual impact they made, because its not exciting or interesting? Of course not. Which is why were trying to get that type of thrill back into the game by tugging at Paradox to see how it can rewarding by doing both forms of content instead of prioritizing one.

I'm not hurt that CSA is getting added, I'm disappointed. Because its a wasted opportunity for a game that can do so much more then it is. If they got the Historical stuff down initially and had the great amount of detail. No complaints here make that Alternative fantasy content. However the fact they have only gone as deep as their feet in many cases, makes it a sad thing to see. Which is why this thread was produced.

 

[Khevenhuller]

You mean, like with Fascism and Nazism?

I do not think there is in Germany a strong movement of pro-Nazi apologists such as there is in the United States for the Confederacy. You do not have the swastika as part of the stae flag of Baden-Wurttemberg for example or statues of Ribbentrop outside municipal buildings. If you fail to appreciate the difference I am afraid there is little hope for you.

K

 

[Robosoldier1]

You can always pass it if you find it that politically incorrect...

I ain't offended that CSA and the other empires are being added. I am again disappointed, because its a wasted opportunity. Mainly for the 20th time it holds no bearing on the historical reality of the times or enhances the game. Its just an easy way for Paradox to get around the work required to get into the historical decisions then to make a meme that will obviously turn heads. Cause some smuck wants to play as the Confederate States while fighting communist Mexico, while the army of intelligent beluga whales emerges from the ocean to become our new overlords.

 

[Ryousan2k]

I do not think there is in Germany a strong movement of pro-Nazi apologists such as there is in the United States for the Confederacy. You do not have the swastika as part of the stae flag of Baden-Wurttemberg for example or statues of Ribbentrop outside municipal buildings. If you fail to appreciate the difference I am afraid there is little hope for you.

K

They are however, relevant topics today: Neo-Nazis and Right-Wing extremists are a thing.

 

[Khevenhuller]

They are however, relevant topics today: Neo-Nazis and Right-Wing extremists are a thing.

So are flat earthers. My point is they are not politically influential and do not have their symbology enshrined by the State in a political context as you have in the USA. It is a silly part of a mod that is politically ill-advised at best.

K

 

[Ryousan2k]

So are flat earthers. My point is they are not politically influential and do not have their symbology enshrined by the State in a political context as you have in the USA. It is a silly part of a mod that is politically ill-advised at best.

K

You know, Im seldom annoyed by AMerican Excepcionalism, it comes with enjoying gaming: But not everything revolves aroudn the US you know? Not just because you find politically incorrect means we , the rest of the world, should be denied the content. If you find it hutful , and I mean no offense, suck it up. Pass the DLC if you must

 

[mursolini]

THANK YOU. This is the case for about half of the alternate history scenarios in HoI IV. Like would Stalin have just allowed a Fascist demagogue or capitalist one to rally support for Democracy or Fascism and change the popularity away from Communism? NO! He would have had them shot on the spot. It just doesn't make sense.

Well, I`m pretty sure you know that this is exactly what happened in 1980s in SU.

If it doesn`t make sense with Stalin, altenative history should start with his assasination, like German one, where Nazis are removed violently.

I do not think there is in Germany a strong movement of pro-Nazi apologists such as there is in the United States for the Confederacy. You do not have the swastika as part of the stae flag of Baden-Wurttemberg for example or statues of Ribbentrop outside municipal buildings. If you fail to appreciate the difference I am afraid there is little hope for you.
K

Comparing Confederacy to Nazi Germany is kind of ignorant. Confederacy was just the same as USA pre-civil war, same slavery, same rich plantator bulshit. In pretty much no way special. Russia had serfdom in same decade, but for some reason including right wing goverment of Russia is non-issue.
And yes, "apologist movement" exist because the other alternative was for federal state to set up occupation goverment in half of the country, and go though all the wonderful motions of of Afganistan-Iraq style policing and expences.

Nazis went with cleansing and genocide to the point where it was too much even for 1940s, which is why they are banned, they were special sort of BS even at their time.

Not sure why it is so hard to appreciate the difference.

 

[Karbinder]

You know, Im seldom annoyed by AMerican Excepcionalism, it comes with enjoying gaming: But not everything revolves aroudn the US you know? Not just because you find politically incorrect means we , the rest of the world, should be denied the content. If you find it hutful , and I mean no offense, suck it up. Pass the DLC if you must

Americocentric Universe Theory <3 <3 <3

But seriously, coming from someone who lives in America, there are a lot of people without backbones here that want to censor 'politically incorrect' content at any cost. There are also plenty of people who don't give a crap as well, but those people are usually drowned out.

Anyways, I got a bit off topic.
Sorry

 

[Secret Master]

Well, I guess it was inevitable for genocide to get mentioned.

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