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Congress has allowed for a limited operation against the nipponese aggressor and that is what Pres. Roosevelt should do.

There, it is unimportant that the nipponese navy is stronger in numbers. After all, all that is asked for is a limited scale of war where the US dictate the theater of operations. Who knows, a few lost ships and a lost island or two might even sway Congress to granting more resources, over time.

Attacking in SA is not allowed by the Congress, though he might change his mind. Only time and clever press manipulation might tell.

Mr. President, with all due respect, you are steering a dangerous course, which, over time, might make the US indistinguishable from the enemies of freedom it claims to fight.
 
Admiral Heinz, please... Just look at the map. Are we at war with Brasil, Peru and Argentina or aren't we? Congress decided to tell the Japanese that enough was enough. It was the decision of these South American nations to pull their guns and aim them at us. What if the next row of domino's falls? That you consider Argentina too far out to be a threat I can understand. But what if we don't respond in kind and for instance Mexico would join the Axis? I am absolutely convinced you would not call for a uniquely Pacific campaign if Mexican troops pulled another Alamo in solidarity with fascist dictators. You do have family in Texas, if I remember correctly?

Now I know that is purely rethoric at this point, but I do hope the joint chiefs of staff will agree that we have to make an example to stop other South American nations from getting similar bright ideas? Even for the sake of boosting morale? Japan is a gamble, South America possibly a walkover. I believe patriotism will be served better from a succesful airborne raid on Brazilian cities than a few sunk American battleships... If I am mistaken, please show me so.

Look, we are not aiming at killing or be killed in South America. I believe I can convince Congress to allow our troops to press for rapid regime change in this Falange alliance. Little losses, safeguarding profits, gaining a few allies? Knowing the personal interests of a few senators and congressmen in South American mining and agriculture, I can assure you that using the troops to saveguard their billion dollar investments will not be lost on them...
 
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I personally think that taking over the South American allies of Japan has the highest priority. It is essential for our navy and our troops to control the Panama channel. If we lose it, we can hardly move our navy from the east coast to the west coast.

At the moment, Japan could use Peru as base for an attack against Panama. We must stop this threat now, Mr. President by taking out Peru and Brazil.
 
Surely the Monroe Document can be used to support our advances against South America. Leaving Axis ports and troops in our hemisphere is like going to work and leaving the back door unlocked, we are just inviting disaster. Valuable experience would be gained during this time while we gear up the factories for full war production..... Remeber our enemies have a few years of experience already..... We are coming in late and un-prepared.

What are our techs working on? Where are we in relation to the Axis of Evil? Perhaps a raid on a Japanese held island or two would give the public some hope. Fear of the Rising Sun is growing rapidly along the west coast. I have heard rumors of vigilante groups attacking Japanese-Americans.... how is this any different than the Axis powers attacking the Jewish population? What will you do to stop this?
 
The fact that the Falangists are being supported by Axis arms and materiel in their gumption to declare war on us is enough of a casus belli in my opinion to strike at them. How can our troops have the skills they can give to the men falling into arms if they have not "seen the elephant" so to speak? Taking out Brazil's northern coast and occupying the other bastions of Axis power to pre-emptively deprive them of a reason to interfere in our hemisphere would buy us the time to build the armed forces we truly need to defeat the main threat in Europe. However, we should not be limited in our objectives. Our dagger deep into the Japanese lines should be put to good use. Their forces are forced to spread out, so we can still have local superiority if we can bring them to specific places of our choosing. Their main weakness is their island position, and so we should harass and harry bases within reach of their mainland, if not capture them. I propose a concurrent operation in Formosa to provide us with a commanding position in East Asia, cutting off the Japanese from the mainland except through the highly predictable Korean route, which we can then exploit.
 
Formosa... Yes, that seems a reasonable middle term target. Plus, it has a large naval base, necessary for inland operations. And it can be easily defended. I believe we can spare some of the US marine corps to do this task, however risky the crossing might be.

Thank you for this enlightened remark, coronel Ciryandor, our Philippine liaison. Do not hesitate to point it out when you believe the 10 infantry divisions dispatched for the defense of your country to be too few in numbers. And no doubt we can use the full assets of the port of Manila for setting up such an operation?
 
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General Magoo, I will address the public tomorrow that any uncalled for attacks on Japanese-American citizens will be dealt with with the full extent of the law - but please use some of your military police to keep an eye on them just in case... Our internal security services will help you in discerning who is a law abiding American citizen and who might be a Japanese spy.
 
Very good start to this. Subscribed.
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I suggest that the United States neutralize the South American threat first. While it is easy to boil the war down to the 'big' enemies of Japan and Germany, their most direct threats to American interests come from their friends in the Western Hemisphere.

As long as Peru, Brazil, and Argentina remain aligned with the Axis, threats on the Panama Canal, aerial bombings, seaside bombardments, even invasion of American soil remain a logistical possibility. Knock them out of the war and Axis sympathizers in Venezuela, Colombia, Mexico think twice. Meanwhile the American navy continues to grow, and the American public has time to become aligned more toward Allied interests. Then, with the back door thoroughly closed and locked, the United States can look onward toward the threatres in Europe and East Asia.
 
South America is a logical first target then Japan. However, helping the allies is important perhaps some aggressive Naval Warfare in the Atlantic. Outside of Japan does any axis power have a strong navy?
 
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South America is a logical first target then Japan. However, helping the allies is important perhaps some aggressive Naval Warfare in the Atlantic. Outside of Japan does any axis power have a strong navy?
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Admiral Prawnstar, intel suggests that the Germans have been building modern battleships consistently for years. We don't think their fleet to be large in numbers, however even one of these behemoths is a serious threat to shipping.

But your point is clear: if we take some sort of naval base near Europe, for instance the Canary Islands, we might as well hunt for axis convoys there instead of near Indonesia. Those are the same freighters, after all. Plus, in this fashion Portuguese, Spanish and Vichy traders can be targetted too.
 
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South America is a logical first target then Japan. However, helping the allies is important perhaps some aggressive Naval Warfare in the Atlantic. Outside of Japan does any axis power have a strong navy?
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Remember though he is not allied with them. They ought to be low on US list of priorities - southern Continent close neighbours and the Japanese ought to take up US focus for start
 
I would suggest a two theatre war focusing on South America. At this stage I think its important to ensure your own security, and attempt to isolate the various axis powers. If the Axis can create a reliable lifeline between Japan and Europe, then you're in trouble, they'll be able to better to respond when you go after one or the other. Meanwhile the Simon Bolivar Falange poses a constant if uncertain threat as long as it exists. I'd suggest the navy be used primarily for holding operations against a Japanese advance (hopefully it is capable of this). Transport divisions that are available (with escorts) could be used to halt/cut the axis trade link. This seems easiest in Indonesia. From there, raiding parties can gain bases to hit trade. If you have the resources, perhaps a landing in Malaysia could work. The force could hook up with the force out of Burma, and either advance up into China, or provide a distraction for if and when you start an island hopping naval invasion.

For the moment however, South America seems a priority. I'd suggest a commitment of the bulk of you forces to this region, though without significant intel on the enemy forces, whether one or two landings are needed is an open question. I'd commit the Atlantic fleet to harrying the Brazilians and disrupting trade. Hopefully a bold and fast response, coupled with the use of espionage and diplomacy will dissuade the rest of the region from rash action. Perhaps you could focus your influence on some powers to turn them inot allies (Columbia, Mexico, and Chile might be some well placed choices)
 
I'd be wary of the Canary Islands approach. Unless the Suez Canal is guarenteed by sufficient British defense, it could form an alternate trade route. If Indonesia and Indochina are secure on the other hand, the only other option is round South America (which hopefully will also be secure).
 
Allright gentlemen, I think it is time to reach a conclusion.

I propose that we concentrate on the South-American and Asian fronts first, with the targets to turn the Simon Bolivar Falange to our cause, and roll back the Japanese island by island. One infantry divisions will be used to hold each strategic Japanese island, and the South-American countries will be returned to home rule when a loyal government is secure. In this fashion, American troops might not be necessary anymore in SA once Argentina and Brasil are once again secure and can protect our assets there.

Two first thrust forces will be built to go beyond this point: take Formosa to harass the Japanese and land as much infantry and tanks as possible to fight for the liberation of China, and take a European, African or Asian asset to harry the Germans with convoy raiding.

In the meantime we build up our fleet to clear the Pacific, and try to join the Allies in order to further assist our friends. This however will take time.

I hope you can all agree with this suggestion?
 
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I fully agree with course of action Mr. President. Is the city of Hong Kong under the command of the Japanese? If it is, it could prove just as vital if Taiwan proves to be too hard a nut to crack. Plus, Hong Kong could be used to enter China. Do you have enough forces to take the Japanese-Controlled Islands in the Pacific? If you do, they will prove vital as friendly ports to hold our fleets and transports. You should prepare to move forces to the Canary Islands if they declare war on you. Plus move forces to England.
 
(OOC: for all those who wonder, I cannot enter Allied nations as long as I am not in the Allies. My neutrality is still over 80%. Next, I cannot influence anybody for this same reason (a shame, I think). And the Allies are not at war with SA or Japan so I cannot directly intervene

This evening, I might continue the game)
 
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Hey just logging in to say that I am having a Jagged Alliance episode next to some real world concerns, this is not finished, just delayed.
 
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