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King John said:
You were "beaten" anyway. WS was such that I was stabhitting you, and England can't afford stabhits very easily. Sure you could've kept fighting, would that have been worth your economic loss, even if Sweden weren't a part of it?

As for leaders, Wolfe only lives about 15 years, and is stats are 1 less than Fred in every field. Clive doesn't matter because he's not in Europe, the battleground that Fred would be dominating.

WS was high due to your occupation of my German small forts provs that you know would all be retaken (and they were, when you peaced... that is why you accepted a WP, if not why would you accept if you could keep on claiming Oldenburg?)

But anyway, enough with subjective opnions, whenever you want host up the file and lets do a 1v1 and see yourself if this Prussia can beat this England alone ;)
 
Casluerj said:
WS was high due to your occupation of my German small forts provs that you know would all be retaken (and they were, when you peaced... that is why you accepted a WP, if not why would you accept if you could keep on claiming Oldenburg?)

But anyway, enough with subjective opnions, whenever you want host up the file and lets do a 1v1 and see yourself if this Prussia can beat this England alone ;)

That is also non-objective, since in no circunstance ever could England fight Prussia alone. 1-v-1 do not determine winner, as I said the only objective measure is 'was your will achieved?' Under that measure, Prussia did splendidly.
 
arcorelli said:
That is also non-objective, since in no circunstance ever could England fight Prussia alone. 1-v-1 do not determine winner, as I said the only objective measure is 'was your will achieved?' Under that measure, Prussia did splendidly.

My Will was very superficial in that war and WP was enough for me (since it was MY offer, not his)... And I doubt that KJ's will was to WP England.

arcorelli said:
That is also non-objective, since in no circunstance ever could England fight Prussia alone

Because of that I didnt consider Prussia as one of the winners. Prussia depends on other nations to exist. This is not the case of England/France/OE.
 
To be honest Cas, the reason I accepted wp was that I was only getting 3 diplos a year, which I was afraid wouldn't be enough to force you out for Oldenburg anyway. I'd already used mostof my diplo pool stabhitting Austria, having to spend one on invitng Sweden to my alliance meant that you'd have about 6 months to try to take back your lands. I could've fought on with you, but it would've meant winning the war against Austria and the OE would take a lot longer, which wasn't really worth it.

You still had Marlborough, who had another 2-3 years left to live. Why would I want to stay and fight him when I could peace, kick Austria/OE's butts and then attack you again in 5 years? Without Marlborough England would have 0 chances against Prussia, especially in a 1v1.

That isn't to say I couldn't have kept fighting you if I thought it was the best way to win longterm. But as Arco says, you DOW'd me, it was your goal to help Austria, and YOU failed. Was it your aim to get a wp when you attacked me? You could've accomplished that goal by simply not attacking in the firstplace ;). You wanted to prevent me from taking lands from Austria, and you perhaps wanted to also take lands for yourself. You never came close to either of these goals; you were thrown back in the beginning despite my having already fought many battles with Austria and the OE. If I hadn't already wasted most of my diplomats stabhitting Austria, I could've lowered you stab to -3 within a year and totally ruined your trade income.

You couldn't handle me in a 3v1. What makes you think England could handle Prussia in a 1v1? :p I'll load the save up with you if you want, but it's not going to change anything. I also don't understand where you got the idea that Prussia relies on other nations for its survival. It fought that war 1v3 and won, without help, so where does this come from? England OTOH had Ottoman and Austrian help, and lost, and yet England is selfsufficient? Hrmmm
 
What makes you think England could handle Prussia in a 1v1? I'll load the save up with you if you want, but it's not going to change anything. I also don't understand where you got the idea that Prussia relies on other nations for its survival. It fought that war 1v3 and won, without help, so where does this come from? England OTOH had Ottoman and Austrian help, and lost, and yet England is selfsufficient? Hrmmm

Wonderful... Lets make it tonight, I am free... And once again I didnt lose... I attacked you to get a WP (the original plan was a WP after you WP Austria)...

It wasnt me who said that Prussia wasnt selfsuficient, but arco with this sentence:

arcorelli said:
That is also non-objective, since in no circunstance ever could England fight Prussia alone.
 
Casluerj said:
Wonderful... Lets make it tonight, I am free... And once again I didnt lose... I attacked you to get a WP (the original plan was a WP after you WP Austria)...

Well, KJ didn't WP Austria. Your aim was that Austria didn't lose provinces, KJ aim was to get provinces from Austria. KJ aim was fullfiled, yours not. The map of europe post-war was closer to KJ aims, not England's. You are making the 'no defeat' issue based on the England-Brandenburg war, but that war was related to other one. Is the general outcome of those conflicts what it counts.

BTW, my comment was not regarding if Prussia could win 1-v-1 or not. The thing is that wars are made in a diplomatic scenario with third parties, or in more general wars, and imposing your will in that scenario is what it counts. If France could had been -in the game- thwarted every time wished something, it could be next to worthless the fact that it could (not that I am saying that it could, is an example) defeat any other countru 1-v-1 does not make the country a winner.
 
Hi guys, I’m back for good this time!

It’s really sad that ATE 2 died, even though I’ve lost the last 3 sessions :(
The fall of Sweden was completely my fault, It would have been necessary to make new long term diplomatic alliances for Sweden during this time as Russia was aied, too bad I couldn’t make some time for it as Gaius as sub managed to make what subs are supposed to do, play the session, It was my responsibility to play the country...

Anyway thank you very much Gaius for subbing, I hope I will have the chance to return the favour...

Regarding to the new game I will definitely join the crew again! This time I don’t any problem of time, at leas until the second week of march when I’ll start class, anyway I don’t know which will be my time table so I’ll join any day and then I’ll try to arrange everything...

Just one comment, I recently talked to DS (the former Austria player of ATE 1 he said that if we changed our day he would like to join us again)

Finally where can I get the MoD and the beta patches?
 
delosandes said:
Regarding to the new game I will definitely join the crew again! This time I don’t any problem of time, at leas until the second week of march when I’ll start class, anyway I don’t know which will be my time table so I’ll join any day and then I’ll try to arrange everything...

Just one comment, I recently talked to DS (the former Austria player of ATE 1 he said that if we changed our day he would like to join us again)

Finally where can I get the MoD and the beta patches?

Well, what days can DSY play?

And the mod can be got at www.r y o k e n.us

(And post in the new thread delos)