Would it be possible to put links to the images of the finished portions of the map into the first post?
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South America
Perhaps it's a bit too late for this, but are you in need of some help with South America?
If yes, count me in. I have already done new map for Brazil, 7 months ago, when I first though about planing a new map, and since I heard about Clio, I'll gladly hand it over.
Unfortunantely, that stupid photobucket has shrinked may map, and the provinces' numbers are now but black dots on the map... But I can still post it, if you want it.
Perhaps it's a bit too late for this, but are you in need of some help with South America?
If yes, count me in. I have already done new map for Brazil, 7 months ago, when I first though about planing a new map, and since I heard about Clio, I'll gladly hand it over.
Unfortunantely, that stupid photobucket has shrinked may map, and the provinces' numbers are now but black dots on the map... But I can still post it, if you want it.
Sen. Vergueiro said:
Here is what is tentatively planned for Brazil
The major change is reduction of provinces in Amazonia and increasing provinces in Sao Paulo to help encourage immigration.
Yes... It seems like that one. But I changed the format of some provinces so these can fit in the historicals claims that Brazil had with almost every neighbor along the 19th century.
I'll try to undo what that miserable photobucket has done, so I can explain what and where these claims were. Of course I'll post the historical maps I found (as History student), so anyone can make out of it their own opinion about my map.
Wait a bit more, I'll try to post those maps still today (-3:00 GMT).
I'll try to undo what that miserable photobucket has done, so I can explain what and where these claims were. Of course I'll post the historical maps I found (as History student), so anyone can make out of it their own opinion about my map.
Wait a bit more, I'll try to post those maps still today (-3:00 GMT).
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Oh... btw, I noticed this map has only 66 provinces, while vanilla has 77 provinces. Is that right? The map I've done has exactly the same number of provinces... Any problem in that?
Sen. Vergueiro said:
No need to rush - It'll be a few weeks until we get to finalizing South America.
As for the claims - you mean the territories that are now part of the Spanish-speaking nations (Colombia, venezuela, Peru, etc?)
Sen. Vergueiro said:
we've reduced the number of provinces in brazil at this point (mainly reducing the number of provinces in Amazonia which was overkill), so at this point we'd like to keep it in the mid-60s range if at all possible.
Brazil still remains the largest # of provinces in South America - Argentina was also reduced in number (removed several provinces in Patagonia).
Here it is... Brazil in 1900 (without Acre). Although many of the provinces are similar to the other map, there are other that I would like to stress their importance.
Boundaries Dispute North
Pink = Claimed by Peru. Peru Claims that since the end of 18th century, but made their intents of claiming these lands when Bolivia sold Acre, when the renew these claims and also put a claim over Acre, since these were once Paruvian lands (during the Peru-Bolivia Conf.)
Dark Green = Claimed by Colombia. Portuguese and Spaniard had claims along the shore of Solimões and Negro Rivers. Colombia reafirmed their claims by 1880's, when the Rubber Boom started. Early 20th century, the issue was again mentioned by Colombian authorities to force Brazil to finaly accept international navigation in the Amazonas, Solimões and Negro Rivers (another Brazilian diplomacy's point of attrition during 19th century).
Yellow = Claimed by Venezuela, along with the western side from the British Guyana.
Red = British claim for her colony.
Blue = French claim. Since the Portuguese invasion in French Guyana, as retaliation for Napoleon invanding Portugal 1808, the Guyane has been disputed by Portuguese and French. Although the Vienna Congress granted these lands to Portugal, once Brazil was independent, France renewed their claims on it, but neve realy pushed it into open dispute. Just when gold was discovered in Amapá - along with a fortune in rubbertrees, France reafirmed their claims. But France gave up their claims deep into the Amazionian forest, exactly what they didn't with Amapa. Since there were some French and French Crioules, things escalated into diplomatic attrition.
Pink = Claimed by Peru. Peru Claims that since the end of 18th century, but made their intents of claiming these lands when Bolivia sold Acre, when the renew these claims and also put a claim over Acre, since these were once Paruvian lands (during the Peru-Bolivia Conf.)
Dark Green = Claimed by Colombia. Portuguese and Spaniard had claims along the shore of Solimões and Negro Rivers. Colombia reafirmed their claims by 1880's, when the Rubber Boom started. Early 20th century, the issue was again mentioned by Colombian authorities to force Brazil to finaly accept international navigation in the Amazonas, Solimões and Negro Rivers (another Brazilian diplomacy's point of attrition during 19th century).
Yellow = Claimed by Venezuela, along with the western side from the British Guyana.
Red = British claim for her colony.
Blue = French claim. Since the Portuguese invasion in French Guyana, as retaliation for Napoleon invanding Portugal 1808, the Guyane has been disputed by Portuguese and French. Although the Vienna Congress granted these lands to Portugal, once Brazil was independent, France renewed their claims on it, but neve realy pushed it into open dispute. Just when gold was discovered in Amapá - along with a fortune in rubbertrees, France reafirmed their claims. But France gave up their claims deep into the Amazionian forest, exactly what they didn't with Amapa. Since there were some French and French Crioules, things escalated into diplomatic attrition.
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Boundaries Diputes South
Blue = Urugaian Claim. This small piece of land is disputed between Brazil and Uruguay since Cisplatina became Uruguay (1824)... But tensions devolved during the Farrapos War (1835-45), and once Brazil interveaned in Urugayan Civl War (Guerra Grande), forced the Brazilian-friendly government to cede it to Brazil (1851).
Red = Paraguayan Lands. These were the Lands tanken form Paraguay after the war (1871). But the southern red area, wich has boundaries with Argentina, was claimed after the war, since thes were land that once were part o the 'Missones Orinetales'. Although there was already a treaty between Brazil and Argentina, that treaty didn't mentioned this particular region, since at that time Paraguay was still a 'rebel' province in the eyes of Buenos Aires. A new treaty had to be singned.
Dark Red (Brown?) = Pre-war Paraguayan claims. I still didn't figure out why Paraguay claimed this land... Perhaps just 'war objectives' once the worst has happened, war with all other three Platinean counties.
Well, this provinces has some importance, for gameplay purposes.
Blue = Urugaian Claim. This small piece of land is disputed between Brazil and Uruguay since Cisplatina became Uruguay (1824)... But tensions devolved during the Farrapos War (1835-45), and once Brazil interveaned in Urugayan Civl War (Guerra Grande), forced the Brazilian-friendly government to cede it to Brazil (1851).
Red = Paraguayan Lands. These were the Lands tanken form Paraguay after the war (1871). But the southern red area, wich has boundaries with Argentina, was claimed after the war, since thes were land that once were part o the 'Missones Orinetales'. Although there was already a treaty between Brazil and Argentina, that treaty didn't mentioned this particular region, since at that time Paraguay was still a 'rebel' province in the eyes of Buenos Aires. A new treaty had to be singned.
Dark Red (Brown?) = Pre-war Paraguayan claims. I still didn't figure out why Paraguay claimed this land... Perhaps just 'war objectives' once the worst has happened, war with all other three Platinean counties.
Well, this provinces has some importance, for gameplay purposes.
Sen. Vergueiro said:
That's from the Times' Atlas of the world history, right?
Great book indeed
Josip said:That's from the Times' Atlas of the world history, right?
Great book indeed
Yeap! But in Portuguese...
Interesting maps.
A few of the territories are really too small to depict, given the populations that would be inhabiting them - the British and Uruguayan claims in particultar are just really too small to be worth an entire province - it would be better to give the British a claim over (a reduced) Roraima as well as Venezuela, and for Uruguay to have a claim over the southwest corner of Rio Grande do Sul.
Lemme whip up another map and we can go from there.
A few of the territories are really too small to depict, given the populations that would be inhabiting them - the British and Uruguayan claims in particultar are just really too small to be worth an entire province - it would be better to give the British a claim over (a reduced) Roraima as well as Venezuela, and for Uruguay to have a claim over the southwest corner of Rio Grande do Sul.
Lemme whip up another map and we can go from there.
First, about Roraima.
Just a second option... I think the current size of Roraima is a bit too big for mere claims. Therefore I just followed the rivers in the region.
Just a second option... I think the current size of Roraima is a bit too big for mere claims. Therefore I just followed the rivers in the region.
I still think Santa catarina needs an inland porvince, because of two reasons:
1. Because the contry side has differents RGOs.
2. Because the same inland was shaked by a revolt during the 1910's (Contestado Revolt), and the coastal regions weren't affected.
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Bahia, for the sames reasons as Santa Catarina, should have its provinces linked to the differents economical activities, and because the periodical drought periods there affects much more inland provinces than the western mountains.