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Another section nearly finished : Western Pacific. This is very preliminary, but to give people a bit of a glimpse.
Note there is an error in Japan that has Miyazaki in Kyushu twice - the western one is supposed to be Kagoshima. Already scheduled to be fixed.
And the Melanesia name is too far north, currently this is just a testing version, and will not be in the final map, nor will the large boxes around the islands which represent the modern national territorial water claims. those are just for reference.
Note there is an error in Japan that has Miyazaki in Kyushu twice - the western one is supposed to be Kagoshima. Already scheduled to be fixed.
And the Melanesia name is too far north, currently this is just a testing version, and will not be in the final map, nor will the large boxes around the islands which represent the modern national territorial water claims. those are just for reference.
Back again...!
Well, for Bolivia I have nothing to add, it seems alright to me.
But for Ecuador and Peru... there's something to add. First, I must say this area is still diputed nawadays, so there are a series of treaties and protocol, mostly voided, what made my work even harder. But I was able to indentify those disputed areas, and a map to better represent that should look like this:
For Peru:
Ecuatorians claims: pink, light green, light blue, blue and purple. Pink, light gree and light blue even went for a short period under Ecuatorian rule.
And for Ecuador:
The yellow province was claimed by Peru, who actually claimed all Ecuadorian lands west of Andes (Amazonian basin), including some moutains where Amazonian river have their sources. Therefore, this yellow province should reach this far to the south.
Well, for Bolivia I have nothing to add, it seems alright to me.
But for Ecuador and Peru... there's something to add. First, I must say this area is still diputed nawadays, so there are a series of treaties and protocol, mostly voided, what made my work even harder. But I was able to indentify those disputed areas, and a map to better represent that should look like this:
For Peru:
Ecuatorians claims: pink, light green, light blue, blue and purple. Pink, light gree and light blue even went for a short period under Ecuatorian rule.
And for Ecuador:
The yellow province was claimed by Peru, who actually claimed all Ecuadorian lands west of Andes (Amazonian basin), including some moutains where Amazonian river have their sources. Therefore, this yellow province should reach this far to the south.
OK Peru take 2
Added one new province to represent the purple area on your map of N Peru which were the "maximalist" Ecuadorian claims. In the iquitos area, trimmed the province back some and transferred the southern areas to another province but really would prefer not to carve out a whole new province in that area, I think if the Eucadorians had made it as far as they wanted then a bit further upstream would probably not have been impossible, esp given the low populations of the area. so Also re-arranged some of the provinces in the altiplano
ecuador is fairly easy to tweak, shifting the zamora province from blue to yellow, will do that.
Added one new province to represent the purple area on your map of N Peru which were the "maximalist" Ecuadorian claims. In the iquitos area, trimmed the province back some and transferred the southern areas to another province but really would prefer not to carve out a whole new province in that area, I think if the Eucadorians had made it as far as they wanted then a bit further upstream would probably not have been impossible, esp given the low populations of the area. so Also re-arranged some of the provinces in the altiplano
ecuador is fairly easy to tweak, shifting the zamora province from blue to yellow, will do that.
OHgamer said:Another section nearly finished : Western Pacific. This is very preliminary, but to give people a bit of a glimpse.
Note there is an error in Japan that has Miyazaki in Kyushu twice - the western one is supposed to be Kagoshima. Already scheduled to be fixed.
And the Melanesia name is too far north, currently this is just a testing version, and will not be in the final map, nor will the large boxes around the islands which represent the modern national territorial water claims. those are just for reference.
Some questions:
-Is the Biak islands north of New Guinea really necessary? Too small and unimportant if you ask me..
-How are we going to hit places like Nauru with the mouse cursor?
Tempelridderen said:Some questions:
-Is the Biak islands north of New Guinea really necessary? Too small and unimportant if you ask me..
-How are we going to hit places like Nauru with the mouse cursor?
Biak is different culturally from New Guinea, had an earlier Dutch presence than the big island, and of course for those who might want to consider a WWII scenario with this map, Biak was a key base and battle.
Actually if you expand the map to full size, most mice should be able to click it.
Also Xie has developed the use of those nameplates you see next to the islands so that they will be clickable with the mouse to allow easier selection of the small provinces. they will not affect actual gameplay in any other sense (icons for military units and the like will still be located on the actual land) but will make clicking on the small island provinces much less problematic - you just click on the box that says "Nauru" (or St Pierre & Miquelon, or Heligoland etc).
Marcus and the few islets of the Bonins you included seem a little 'far away' from Japan, in my opinion...
Also, if we're talking WW2-compatibility, wouldn't Truk (one of the main Japanese fleet bases) be as a good a contender as Biak or Guam for separate inclusion?
Also, if we're talking WW2-compatibility, wouldn't Truk (one of the main Japanese fleet bases) be as a good a contender as Biak or Guam for separate inclusion?
Gaius Marius I said:
hmm - that might be an issue with the projection - i'll ask Xie.
Truk is in - there are 2 Caroline Islands provinces - Truk and Yap
OHgamer said:
Well, i'm not sure their naval base was spread over so many islands... :rofl:
Btw, caught another error for you:
"Sulu Archipegalo"
Gaius Marius I said:
well it's representing the conglomeration of islands and atolls that make up the eastern half of the carolines. the icons will be centered on Truk, so any forts and naval base Icons will be on Truk, thus in that sense we'll have that element replicated.
Yeesh everyone getting so technical
And good catch on the Sulu, looked right by it myself.
OHgamer said:well it's representing the conglomeration of islands and atolls that make up the eastern half of the carolines. the icons will be centered on Truk, so any forts and naval base Icons will be on Truk, thus in that sense we'll have that element replicated.
Yeesh everyone getting so technical
And good catch on the Sulu, looked right by it myself.
Think of it as us Victorians pushing you to make the best map possible the first time; you'll thank us later when you don't have to revise the map half a million times like Kasperus has for his EU2 map....
OHgamer said:
Well... I didn't intended to create one more provinces... just wanted to rearange their borders. But it's OK anyway.
Now, to finish S. America, what are the suggestions for Colombia, Venezuela and the Guyanas?
Gaius Marius I said:Think of it as us Victorians pushing you to make the best map possible the first time; you'll thank us later when you don't have to revise the map half a million times like Kasperus has for his EU2 map....
Oh def agreed there.
thankfully Victoria starts out with ~600 or so (maybe more) province id advantage over EU2 and the map has a larger surface area so it is much easier to deal with issues of odd province borders, rival claims and the like than with EU2 (esp if you want to remove PTI).
Sen. Vergueiro said:
guyanas i'm keeping as per base victoria - coastal provinces and 1 (or in brit guy case, 2) interior ones.
Will post CLM and VNZ.
OHgamer said:
Speaking of larger surface area, it'd be perfectly ok to rearrange nagasaki and fukuoka to be a bit bigger and relieve the strain on these poor eyes (esp. with fukuoka)
Venzuela - OK
Colombia, the province bordering Ecuuadorian Amazonia should look more like this:
Actually, even that tiny piece of land between Putumayo and Solimões Rivers should be treated as a separated province, but for so little population, it isn't worth doing so.
EDIT: There's something to change in Venezuela, actually British claims on Venezuelan western border. I'll try to make the chenges without adding a new province.
Colombia, the province bordering Ecuuadorian Amazonia should look more like this:
Actually, even that tiny piece of land between Putumayo and Solimões Rivers should be treated as a separated province, but for so little population, it isn't worth doing so.
EDIT: There's something to change in Venezuela, actually British claims on Venezuelan western border. I'll try to make the chenges without adding a new province.
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So basically extend the orange province in East colombia down to the Rio Caqueta, will do
British Guyana is again a messy thing. Too little populated (specially in the Amazonian hinterland), and too much disputed territories.
First, historical background:
Green stripes = Brazilian claims until 1904
Yellow stripes = Venezuelan territories 1830 - 1840(?)
Yellow dots = Venezuelan claims until 1899
So, I think British Guyana should at least recive one more province.
Guyana:
First, historical background:
Green stripes = Brazilian claims until 1904
Yellow stripes = Venezuelan territories 1830 - 1840(?)
Yellow dots = Venezuelan claims until 1899
So, I think British Guyana should at least recive one more province.
Guyana:
Hello,
These are my modest suggestions to the map of the Iberian Peninsula:
1) Merge the provinces of Tarragona and Tortosa in a only province named Tarragona ( the correct name )
2 & 7 ) Small modifications of the provinces of Barcelona, Gerona, Oviedo and Santander, to give a more realistic form .
3 ) Create a new province named Perpignan between Carcassone, Foix and Gerona
4 & 5 ) Pamplona does not have coast and this is the historical form of this province
Historically, the region of Leon was formed by the provinces of Leon, Zamora and Salamanca. By cultural and realistic reasons i propose these modifications:
6) New form for the province of Burgos
9) New form for the province of Leon
8) New form for the province of Valladolid.
A present map of Castile and Leon:
I know that it is your map and you will decide, but anyway I send the suggestion
These are my modest suggestions to the map of the Iberian Peninsula:
1) Merge the provinces of Tarragona and Tortosa in a only province named Tarragona ( the correct name )
2 & 7 ) Small modifications of the provinces of Barcelona, Gerona, Oviedo and Santander, to give a more realistic form .
3 ) Create a new province named Perpignan between Carcassone, Foix and Gerona
4 & 5 ) Pamplona does not have coast and this is the historical form of this province
Historically, the region of Leon was formed by the provinces of Leon, Zamora and Salamanca. By cultural and realistic reasons i propose these modifications:
6) New form for the province of Burgos
9) New form for the province of Leon
8) New form for the province of Valladolid.
A present map of Castile and Leon:
I know that it is your map and you will decide, but anyway I send the suggestion